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  • #31
    Jeffries' strength didn't stop him from taking a whipping from Fitzsimmons or being soundly outboxed by Corbett.

    Until the strain of him leaning on them with his 30+ pound weight advantage proved to much to bear.

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    • #32
      Originally posted by ShoulderRoll View Post
      Jeffries' strength didn't stop him from taking a whipping from Fitzsimmons or being soundly outboxed by Corbett.

      Until the strain of him leaning on them with his 30+ pound weight advantage proved to much to bear.
      - -U want a medal or a chest to pin it on for stating a tiny slice of obvious?

      And water wet, sky blue and who knew but for U?

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      • #33
        Originally posted by ShoulderRoll View Post
        Jeffries' strength didn't stop him from taking a whipping from Fitzsimmons or being soundly outboxed by Corbett.

        Until the strain of him leaning on them with his 30+ pound weight advantage proved to much to bear.
        And strength should not keep you from taking a whipping either. Without much skill at all Jeff overcame and also lost to some of the mightiest ever. A prime Jeff couldn't be beaten up with a hockey stick.

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        • #34
          Originally posted by The Old LefHook View Post
          And strength should not keep you from taking a whipping either. Without much skill at all Jeff overcame and also lost to some of the mightiest ever. A prime Jeff couldn't be beaten up with a hockey stick.
          There are weight classes for a reason.

          As fighting men Fitzsimmons and Corbett are a level above Jeffries.

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          • #35
            That’s very debatable. Jeffries vastly improved between his first bout with Corbett and the second. Corbett said so himself. The idea that Jeffries was some immobile slow heavyweight who stuck his left straight out and had little skill is an inaccurate portrayal. The films of Jeffries are so poor it takes watching them again and again to be able to see what the heck is going on. However if you use that kind of methodology his filmed bout with Ruhlin is interesting. Jeffries certainly favored his left hand and he is constantly using it. In close he throws a short inside hook a punch that floors his opponent. At distance he pursues with his left at times throwing double and triple hooks to head and body.

            When you really examine that bout AND THEN look closely at the best footage we have of Jeffries, in training, you get a better idea of what he brought to the table. Here he practices for speed, you see him slip, duck and move deftly to his right as he avoids punches. You don’t get the complete picture of him as a fighter but you get a better “flavor”.

            I still can’t rate Jeffries but for sure he was a stellar athlete, tremendously conditioned, tremendously durable, quicker than most imagine with a very educated left hand.

            One thing that I find unexplainable is that some feel he did not hit hard. When I see an athlete like Jeffries with all his physical strength and realize he was fighting wearing 4-5 oz horse hair filled gloves, akin to bricks, it impossible for me to imagine that he did not hit exceptionally hard.

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            • #36
              Jeffries vs Ruhlin best quality available.

              https://*************/watch?v=sNJpppvKfSQ

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              • #37
                Best footage of Jeffries training. This training I believe was for his bout with Ruhlin.

                https://*************/watch?v=CauVMvNspIY

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                • #38
                  Originally posted by ShoulderRoll View Post
                  There are weight classes for a reason.

                  As fighting men Fitzsimmons and Corbett are a level above Jeffries.

                  - -As a washed up punching bag, U the best.

                  Fitz the first p4p great, but neither near Jeff as a heavy.

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                  • #39
                    Originally posted by QueensburyRules View Post
                    - -As a washed up punching bag, U the best.

                    Fitz the first p4p great, but neither near Jeff as a heavy.
                    Naturally. Jeffries outweighed Fizsimmons by 40 lbs.

                    Yet Fitz at 39 years of age still gave him a vicious beating before succumbing to the ridiculous size advantage.

                    The blacksmith was 10 times the fighter that Jeffries was.

                    Go change U diaper now.

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                    • #40
                      Originally posted by ShoulderRoll View Post
                      Naturally. Jeffries outweighed Fizsimmons by 40 lbs.

                      Yet Fitz at 39 years of age still gave him a vicious beating before succumbing to the ridiculous size advantage.

                      The blacksmith was 10 times the fighter that Jeffries was.

                      Go change U diaper now.
                      - -Tu confuso?

                      After Jeff, Fitz was toast as can be expected. Same with Corbett.

                      JJOHNSON was busy getting whupped by Marvin Hart and Joe Jeannette.

                      Next thing U be telling us is U was born in a diaper.

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