Joe Louis, greatest heavyweight of all time?

[butterfly1964]

Larry didnt unify the division cuz the promoters didnt want it to happen. I dont think page, coetzee and tate were threats to him.

Even though ali was shot, holmes's win over him does mean something. Its more meaningful than rocky beating moore and louis. All you have to do is watch louis vs ezzard, which was 1 year before the rocky fight. Ezzard brutally kicked the crap out of joe louis. While ali was coming off a win over leon spinks and he was still boxing exhibition matches.

Larry Holmes was going to be 50-0, his fights with spinks were both fixed by the corrupt sport of boxing so rocco's record would stay alive. Everyone knew larry was robbed.

larry's real record is 72-3, however on paper it reads 69-6.

I think Larry would have beaten them as well, but nontheless he didn't fight him. And don't give me that bull about how they didn't allow him to fight them. If he really wanted to fight them then they would have no choice but to let him fight them. He avoided them, period.

Marciano beating Louis means much more than Holmes beating Ali. Louis was still an active fighter, while Ali came out of retirement. Louis was still fighting and beating top contenders, while Ali looked bad losing to Spinks. Ali was also drugged before the fight and was helpless the whole time, while Louis was actually competitive against Marciano.

Larry lost to Spinks the first time, no question. He got embarrased. This should not even be an issue. However, your right about the second fight. Holmes was robbed.

[brownpimp88]

I think Larry would have beaten them as well, but nontheless he didn't fight him. And don't give me that bull about how they didn't allow him to fight them. If he really wanted to fight them then they would have no choice but to let him fight them. He avoided them, period.

Marciano beating Louis means much more than Holmes beating Ali. Louis was still an active fighter, while Ali came out of retirement. Louis was still fighting and beating top contenders, while Ali looked bad losing to Spinks. Ali was also drugged before the fight and was helpless the whole time, while Louis was actually competitive against Marciano.

Larry lost to Spinks the first time, no question. He got embarrased. This should not even be an issue. However, your right about the second fight. Holmes was robbed.

You dont want me to make an exuse, then fine. Jack dempsey did not defend his belt against the top black guys, i dont want to hear u make up crap cuz i know why he didnt do it. Either way people are now gonna question if harry wills would have beaten him, this will haunt dempsey forever.

[brownpimp88]

Another thing larry looked far more imprssive at the age of 36 against spinks than dempsey did at the age of 31 against tunney. Dempsey got outboxed for 19 out of 20 rounds. Dont make an excuse like he was past it or dempsey was "shot". He beat a ranked fighter by KO inbetween those fights.

[Kid Achilles]

Holmes was not inactive for years and drinking heavily, staying up late each night, and ****ing half of Hollywood.

[brownpimp88]

Holmes was not inactive for years and drinking heavily, staying up late each night, and ****ing half of Hollywood.

Dempsey was still doing exhibitions and he had a fight with sharkey inbetween. So yeah, he got exposed by a light heavyweight, cong**** dempsey.

[Brockton Lip]

Holmes was not inactive for years and drinking heavily, staying up late each night, and ****ing half of Hollywood.

lol I started laughing when I read that, the wording was great. And its true

[brownpimp88]

Dempsey was still champ while he was inactive, thats a joke. They should have given the belt to harry wills cuz dempsey's manager was too scared of him.

[butterfly1964]

Holmes was not inactive for years and drinking heavily, staying up late each night, and ****ing half of Hollywood.

You beat me to it.

[butterfly1964]

Dempsey was still doing exhibitions and he had a fight with sharkey inbetween. So yeah, he got exposed by a light heavyweight, cong**** dempsey.

And Holmes while fighting ofen still got exposed by a lightheavyweight as well.

[butterfly1964]

Dempsey was still champ while he was inactive, thats a joke. They should have given the belt to harry wills cuz dempsey's manager was too scared of him.

It's still not Dempsey's fault that he didn't fight Wills.