Joe Louis, greatest heavyweight of all time?

[fasman]

definitely top 2 greatest heavy weight champion after Ali

[brownpimp88]

His biggest wins, walcott and schmeling, are either of those guys top 10, no. How the **** does this make him #1, cuz he defended his belt against a bunch of bums.

[butterfly1964]

His biggest wins, walcott and schmeling, are either of those guys top 10, no. How the **** does this make him #1, cuz he defended his belt against a bunch of bums.

His competition was superior to Holmes, though, and most people put him on a pedastal.

[brownpimp88]

His competition was superior to Holmes, though, and most people put him on a pedastal.

Yeah but if you put holmes in the same situation, he would have beaten all of louis's opponents. Another thing, larry arguably was robbed for 3 of his 6 losses.

[butterfly1964]

Yeah but if you put holmes in the same situation, he would have beaten all of louis's opponents. Another thing, larry arguably was robbed for 3 of his 6 losses.

Yes, but put Louis in Holmes situation and the same things happen.

[brownpimp88]

Yes, but put Louis in Holmes situation and the same things happen.

Holmes doesnt get ko'd by schmeling

[butterfly1964]

Holmes doesnt get ko'd by schmeling

Well, I was really talking about his title reign.

[brownpimp88]

Well, I was really talking about his title reign.

If larry holmes represented america during the 80;s and beat some russian guy in a fight during the cold war, he would have been as popular as joe louis. Politics play a huge role in how a boxer is looked at. Even though i like joe louis, he is vastly overrated.

[butterfly1964]

If larry holmes represented america during the 80;s and beat some russian guy in a fight during the cold war, he would have been as popular as joe louis.

I'm shocked! This is the first post you've made that actually made any sense. I agree with you 100% on that.(Although, not attcking Berbick in a parking lot, and not saying Marciano couldn't hold his jockstrap wouldn't hurt either.)

Politics play a huge role in how a boxer is looked at. Even though i like joe louis, he is vastly overrated.

Well, if you notice, Holmes did not unify. Louis cleaned out the division. He missed a few black fighters, but for financial reasons only. Holmes sometimes had controversial decisions (Witherspoon for example), and didn't give a rematch when it happened. When Louis had a controversial decision, he quickly gave a rematch (Tommy Farr the only exception) and destroyed his foe. He left little doubt as to who was the best. Holmes was just trying to get to 50-0 with as little trouble as possible, and avoided a couple of fighters that presented any kind of trouble. Louis' reign was better than Holmes.

[brownpimp88]

I'm shocked! This is the first post you've made that actually made any sense. I agree with you 100% on that.(Although, not attcking Berbick in a parking lot, and not saying Marciano couldn't hold his jockstrap wouldn't hurt either.)



Well, if you notice, Holmes did not unify. Louis cleaned out the division. He missed a few black fighters, but for financial reasons only. Holmes sometimes had controversial decisions (Witherspoon for example), and didn't give a rematch when it happened. When Louis had a controversial decision, he quickly gave a rematch (Tommy Farr the only exception) and destroyed his foe. He left little doubt as to who was the best. Holmes was just trying to get to 50-0 with as little trouble as possible, and avoided a couple of fighters that presented any kind of trouble. Louis' reign was better than Holmes.

Larry didnt unify the division cuz the promoters didnt want it to happen. I dont think page, coetzee and tate were threats to him.

Even though ali was shot, holmes's win over him does mean something. Its more meaningful than rocky beating moore and louis. All you have to do is watch louis vs ezzard, which was 1 year before the rocky fight. Ezzard brutally kicked the crap out of joe louis. While ali was coming off a win over leon spinks and he was still boxing exhibition matches.

Larry Holmes was going to be 50-0, his fights with spinks were both fixed by the corrupt sport of boxing so rocco's record would stay alive. Everyone knew larry was robbed.

larry's real record is 72-3, however on paper it reads 69-6.