Why Ali was not the greatest

[Mike Tyson77]

Here's something to think about. Who accomlished more in their first 5 years as a pro than Tyson?


19-0 19 KO's to start out with

youngest HW champ of all time at 20

Won the WBC, WBA, and IBF titles from three different champs

Scored a 91 second KO over the unbeaten lineal champ.

9 successfull title defenses

37-0 33 KO's

[hhascup]

Your 100% correct, BUT here's some STATS that I have come up with that you might be interested in.

The average boxer Tyson fought in his 1st 37 bouts had an average of 21 bouts. The average record of those boxers were --------------------------------------------------W-16.6 - L-4.1 - D-0.3
Ali's opponents average record after 37 bouts was - W-34.3 - L-6.6 - D-1.5

Ali's 1st 37 opponents had an average of over 42 bouts, which is twice the experience of the boxers that fought Tyson in his 1st 37 bouts.

Tyson was only 23 when he got knocked out by Douglas in 1990, so he was still in his prime.

Tyson finished his career with - 22.3 - 3.5 - 0.3
Evander Holyfield right is at---- 28.94 - 3.9 - 0.5
Ali finished with ---------------32.23 - 5.25 - 1.2
Louis finished with ------------38.1 - 10.23 - 2.6
Marciano finished with ---------29.7 - 10.16 - 1.77

You just can't go by someones record, you have to included who they fought and how they did against them.

[butterfly1964]

Gene Tunney is above Louis, Ali, and Foreman in my all time heavyweight rankings. Don't get this confused. I'd pick Foreman or Ali over Tunney in an actual bout, any day of the week. It's just that he accomplished way more than either three of those guys, the only one that would give Tunney a run for his money is Foreman because he came back and won the HW title as old as he did. But Tunney is still above the three of them.

now if I were to pick one heavyweight fighter who would have the best chance against any opponent it would be the ali that fought foreman. You understand, it wasn't just his skills that made him so great that night, it was also that the people in the country he was fighting in were with him in that ring, tehy really believed in him.

Greb was a lot smaller than Tunney. Their's no glory in beating up on a guy a lot smaller than you.

Carpantier was completely washed up by the time Tunney fought him.

Gibbons was a good win. However, these guys don't compare to Ali's opponents in Foreman, Liston, Frazier, Patterson, and Norton. Not even Louis' competition in Walcott, Schmeling, Baer, Conn, and Nova. Neither Foreman's competition in Frazier, Norton, Moorer, Lyle, or even Gregorio Peralta.

[Lubutheimmortal]

You saw him stick his arm out to measure the distance between him and Patterson to keep that distance, but he didn't throw any punches. His gloves were open, and he didn't stick it out that fast. They were not punches.

I saw 2 jabs nearly right when the fight begins! That's what I saw nothing is going to change my mind. I've watched it 4 times now (only the 1st round), and each time I see least 4 jabs from Ali in that round, either way you say it, that isn't enough proof for me to say Ali won a round without throwing punches.

[gangland_kingpi]

Your 100% correct, BUT here's some STATS that I have come up with that you might be interested in.

The average boxer Tyson fought in his 1st 37 bouts had an average of 21 bouts. The average record of those boxers were --------------------------------------------------W-16.6 - L-4.1 - D-0.3
Ali's opponents average record after 37 bouts was - W-34.3 - L-6.6 - D-1.5

Ali's 1st 37 opponents had an average of over 42 bouts, which is twice the experience of the boxers that fought Tyson in his 1st 37 bouts.

Tyson was only 23 when he got knocked out by Douglas in 1990, so he was still in his prime.

Tyson finished his career with - 22.3 - 3.5 - 0.3
Evander Holyfield right is at---- 28.94 - 3.9 - 0.5
Ali finished with ---------------32.23 - 5.25 - 1.2
Louis finished with ------------38.1 - 10.23 - 2.6
Marciano finished with ---------29.7 - 10.16 - 1.77

You just can't go by someones record, you have to included who they fought and how they did against them.

Jesus Christ!!! That's some research you've done there mate, I would have just said that Tyson hasn't fought anywhere near the calibre of opponent that Ali has. Good post though.

[Verstyle]

Your 100% correct, BUT here's some STATS that I have come up with that you might be interested in.

The average boxer Tyson fought in his 1st 37 bouts had an average of 21 bouts. The average record of those boxers were --------------------------------------------------W-16.6 - L-4.1 - D-0.3
Ali's opponents average record after 37 bouts was - W-34.3 - L-6.6 - D-1.5

Ali's 1st 37 opponents had an average of over 42 bouts, which is twice the experience of the boxers that fought Tyson in his 1st 37 bouts.

Tyson was only 23 when he got knocked out by Douglas in 1990, so he was still in his prime.

Tyson finished his career with - 22.3 - 3.5 - 0.3
Evander Holyfield right is at---- 28.94 - 3.9 - 0.5
Ali finished with ---------------32.23 - 5.25 - 1.2
Louis finished with ------------38.1 - 10.23 - 2.6
Marciano finished with ---------29.7 - 10.16 - 1.77

You just can't go by someones record, you have to included who they fought and how they did against them.

first off i dont disagree with your post its good BUT u cant go off of age to determine a prime.and for the numbers wouldnt that say that ali might have fought alot more older fighters?

[Verstyle]

ali was a bum with overrated hand speed and an overrated chin. he fought nothing but old ppl that were already damaged goods. ppl mock tyson for beating holmes. but ali ****in fought archie moore! and floyd patterson! more damaged goods!

[Oasis_Lad]

ali was a bum with overrated hand speed and an overrated chin. he fought nothing but old ppl that were already damaged goods. ppl mock tyson for beating holmes. but ali ****in fought archie moore! and floyd patterson! more damaged goods!

i hope this post is laced with sarcasm.

[Southpaw Stinger]

i hope this post is laced with sarcasm.

Versatile is an intelligent guy, of course it's filled with sarcasm.

[Oasis_Lad]

Versatile is an intelligent guy, of course it's filled with sarcasm.

probably my top internent hate.

not being able to see sarcasm over the web.