Why Ali was not the greatest

[Lubutheimmortal]

Who was the greatest in ur opinion? I ask because i respect ur opinion

The Greatest Of All Time IMO is Sugar Ray Robinson, when I watch him,...thats all I do watch him, you tend to forget theres another person in the ring. He was just perfection and a true example of the sweetest science. Power, speed, grace, rythm, accuracy, and combinations that never stopped till they fell. The sweetest of the sweet for me is the Orginal Sugar.

As for Heavy's, it depends on what day it is. It's mostly IMO Joe Louis. The man was a true hero outside the ring, and a master inside. Power, speed, combo's, and smarts that could figure any fighter out, and out of the fight. A close close close second is Ali. His natural speed for his weight is beyond great, along with accuracy, show boating, and a jab that made gaints fall. I am glad you respect my opinion, and I hope this answered your question.

Rest In Peace Willie Pep. (My number 2 P4P of all time)

[brownpimp88]

ALI has to be top 3, just look at his resume for god's sakes.

[The Surgeon]

The Greatest Of All Time IMO is Sugar Ray Robinson, when I watch him,...thats all I do watch him, you tend to forget theres another person in the ring. He was just perfection and a true example of the sweetest science. Power, speed, grace, rythm, accuracy, and combinations that never stopped till they fell. The sweetest of the sweet for me is the Orginal Sugar.

As for Heavy's, it depends on what day it is. It's mostly IMO Joe Louis. The man was a true hero outside the ring, and a master inside. Power, speed, combo's, and smarts that could figure any fighter out, and out of the fight. A close close close second is Ali. His natural speed for his weight is beyond great, along with accuracy, show boating, and a jab that made gaints fall. I am glad you respect my opinion, and I hope this answered your question.

Rest In Peace Willie Pep. (My number 2 P4P of all time)

Another good post, cheers

[hhascup]

O please hydro, foreman didn't beat enough contenders to be top 5? Who do u rank in the top 5 ahead of foreman, marciano and dempsey lol. Foreman has a much better resume than both of them and he actually fought black people unlike dempsey. Let's see who foreman beat.

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Ya, i say thats a hell of a lot better resume than tyson, dempsey, and marciano. Foreman is top 5, live with it.

1st of all, I really like George Foreman, BUT if you look at his overall record he fought only 11 top 10 contenders out of 81 bouts (13.58%), and won only 7 of them (8.64%). His average opponents record was 20.78-7.54-1.04, for a winning percentage of only 72.5399%.

Compare him with some others:

Of Ali's 61 bouts, he fought boxers that were rated in the top 10 in the World when he fought them 38 times (62.295%), winning 33 (54.098%) of them. He also fought a total of 49 bouts that boxers that were rated in the top 10 at one time or another in his 61 bouts. That's a percentage of 80.3279%.

Of Louis's 72 bouts, he fought boxers that were rated in the top 10 in the World when he fought them 34 times (47.887%), winning 31 (43.056%) of them. He also fought a total of 54 boxers that were rated in the top 10 at one time or another in his 72 bouts. That's a percentage of 76.056%.

Of Rocky's 49 bouts, he fought boxers that were rated in the top 10 in the World when he fought them only 11 times (22.44898%), winning all 11 (22.44898%) of them. He also fought a total of 16 bouts that boxers were rated in the top 10 at one time or another in his 49 bouts. That's a percentage of only 32.653%.

Ali fought boxers with an average pro record of 32.23 - 5.25 - 1.2 for an average winning percentage of 85.268595%

Louis fought boxers with an average pro record of 38.1 - 10.23 - 2.6 for an average winning percentage of 77.349364%

Rocky fought boxers with an average pro record of 29.7 - 10.16 - 1.77 for an average winning percentage of 73.48%

[BKM-]

1st of all, I really like George Foreman, BUT if you look at his overall record he fought only 11 top 10 contenders out of 81 bouts (13.58%), and won only 7 of them (8.64%). His average opponents record was 20.78-7.54-1.04, for a winning percentage of only 72.5399%.

Compare him with some others:

Of Ali's 61 bouts, he fought boxers that were rated in the top 10 in the World when he fought them 38 times (62.295%), winning 33 (54.098%) of them. He also fought a total of 49 bouts that boxers that were rated in the top 10 at one time or another in his 61 bouts. That's a percentage of 80.3279%.

Of Louis's 72 bouts, he fought boxers that were rated in the top 10 in the World when he fought them 34 times (47.887%), winning 31 (43.056%) of them. He also fought a total of 54 boxers that were rated in the top 10 at one time or another in his 72 bouts. That's a percentage of 76.056%.

Of Rocky's 49 bouts, he fought boxers that were rated in the top 10 in the World when he fought them only 11 times (22.44898%), winning all 11 (22.44898%) of them. He also fought a total of 16 bouts that boxers were rated in the top 10 at one time or another in his 49 bouts. That's a percentage of only 32.653%.

Ali fought boxers with an average pro record of 32.23 - 5.25 - 1.2 for an average winning percentage of 85.268595%

Louis fought boxers with an average pro record of 38.1 - 10.23 - 2.6 for an average winning percentage of 77.349364%

Rocky fought boxers with an average pro record of 29.7 - 10.16 - 1.77 for an average winning percentage of 73.48%

Very interesting stuff man. Could you do some more about Tyson, Lennox Lewis and Holyfield?

[Lubutheimmortal]

Another good post, cheers

Thank you Robo. I try anyway =) .

[hhascup]

Very interesting stuff man. Could you do some more about Tyson, Lennox Lewis and Holyfield?

Here's what I have, BUT I still have to go over it again.

Tyson had 36 out of 58 (62.06896%) bouts against top 10 contenders and his average opponent record was 22.27586-3.53448-0.293 (86.4597%).

Lewis had 26 out of 44 (59.09%) bouts against top 10 contenders and his average opponent record was 25.1-5.227-0.50 (82.24%).

Holyfield had 37 out of 50 (74.00%) bouts against top 10 contenders and his average opponent record was 28.94-3.9-0.52 (87.529976%).

[SABBATH]

Very interesting stuff man. Could you do some more about Tyson, Lennox Lewis and Holyfield?

You should have asked Santa for a calculator so you could do it yourself.

Good legwork hhascup and props to you for taking the time and sharing that info.

[Lubutheimmortal]

You should have asked Santa for a calculator so you could do it yourself.

Good legwork hhascup and props to you for taking the time and sharing that info.

Agreed thanks for the time and info.

[Hydro]

O please hydro, foreman didn't beat enough contenders to be top 5? Who do u rank in the top 5 ahead of foreman, marciano and dempsey lol. Foreman has a much better resume than both of them and he actually fought black people unlike dempsey. Let's see who foreman beat.

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rodriguez


Ya, i say thats a hell of a lot better resume than tyson, dempsey, and marciano. Foreman is top 5, live with it.

LOL @ Cooney being a contender in 1990. He hadn't won a fight in over 3 years! His last fight was a KO loss to Michael Spinks in 1987.

LOL @ Qawi being a heavyweight contender too. He was a light heavyweight and cruiserweight champion. He did next to nothing at heavyweight, and had just been starched in 4 rounds by Holyfield before losing to Foreman.

Rodriguez was the only guy you can can all a contender that Foreman beat on the way up to his title shot against Holyfield, and even then, Rodriguez had just been stretched out in 2 by Holyfield.

Marciano was fed tough opposition relatively early, didn't lose a fight, and didn't hand-pick his opposition like Foreman did. Nor did he act disgracefully when he was a champion, like Foreman did in the 90s, but got a pass because he's an old man. He won more title fights than Foreman, too.

Can you tell me about this second time Foreman fought Chuvalo?

Foreman being top 5 is debatable, you can argue either way, but that wasn't even what I was mainly debating earlier.

It was in regards to Foreman being THE GREATEST HW EVER.

That's laughable.