could tyson have beat ali if tyson fought like he fought mitch green?

[Yogi]

I'm having a bit of fun myself.

Well then, by all means, because that's what it's all about.

[Mr. Ryan]

Well then, by all means, because that's what it's all about.

I'm fully armed for this thread after reading the Burial chapter of Hauser's Ali bio last night I'm ready to kick ass.

[Yogi]

I'm fully armed for this thread after reading the Burial chapter of Hauser's Ali bio last night I'm ready to kick ass.

Great to see that you're still in the process of power reading as many boxing books as you can, Ryan, and good on you for that.

[Verstyle]

I'm fully armed for this thread after reading the Burial chapter of Hauser's Ali bio last night I'm ready to kick ass.

gotta go to boxing when i get back i will respond

[Mr. Ryan]

Great to see that you're still in the process of power reading as many boxing books as you can, Ryan, and good on you for that.

I know, especially at 19, there isn't much else to do unless you're into fornicating with females, but who likes that???

Yeah, reading is fundamental and whatnot. After this book, I'm gonna break and try to tackle something by Homer. I want to test my comprehension skills full blast.

[butterfly1964]

Tyson's feet were fast for a guy who is always in position to sit down on punches and whatnot, but he'd be lost against Ali. It was primarily Tyson's feet that left him in position to get caught coming in, he had good offensive footwork, but didn't recover the best when getting hit and getting back in position.

Also, Tyson was vulnerable to a jab that was timed properly. We saw this early with Biggs and at moments with Pinklon Thomas.

I don't think Tyson could beat Ali, plain and simple. The Tyson in his prime, maybe 1988-ish, was fighting mentally weak nobodies or guys who simply were over the hill. Truth is, Ali wasn't a guy you could intimidate. Ali fought guys like Foreman, Liston, and Frazier, guys as scary or perhaps even scarier.

Be real with me, if Tyson was getting played out at press cons and found out that not only wasn't Ali intimidated but that Ali thought he was a punk, would Tyson already have it in his mind to quit before the bell rang?

Tyson was a weasel in that he never learned how to face his fears or adversity. That's why he needs that big entourage, because they help mask up where he failed to overcome his greatest adversary, himself.

Actually, wasn't Larry Holmes talking crap about Tyson and trying to make him look bad before the fight?

[catskills23]

Tyson's feet were fast for a guy who is always in position to sit down on punches and whatnot, but he'd be lost against Ali. It was primarily Tyson's feet that left him in position to get caught coming in, he had good offensive footwork, but didn't recover the best when getting hit and getting back in position.

Also, Tyson was vulnerable to a jab that was timed properly. We saw this early with Biggs and at moments with Pinklon Thomas.

I don't think Tyson could beat Ali, plain and simple. The Tyson in his prime, maybe 1988-ish, was fighting mentally weak nobodies or guys who simply were over the hill. Truth is, Ali wasn't a guy you could intimidate. Ali fought guys like Foreman, Liston, and Frazier, guys as scary or perhaps even scarier.

Be real with me, if Tyson was getting played out at press cons and found out that not only wasn't Ali intimidated but that Ali thought he was a punk, would Tyson already have it in his mind to quit before the bell rang?

Tyson was a weasel in that he never learned how to face his fears or adversity. That's why he needs that big entourage, because they help mask up where he failed to overcome his greatest adversary, himself.

Are you saying tyson was slow moving artound the ring on his feet?.

[Mr. Ryan]

Actually, wasn't Larry Holmes talking crap about Tyson and trying to make him look bad before the fight?

Holmes gave it his best, but let's face it, he was fat and washed up and nowhere near the talker Ali was. All Holmes could muster was that Tyson was gonna go to jail. So what, who didn't know that? But Ali would've gave him some degrading nickname and made him the butt of jokes. It would've been brutal on Tyson.

[Mr. Ryan]

Are you saying tyson was slow moving artound the ring on his feet?.

I am saying that because of Tyson's foot positioning that was always offensive and never defensive, Tyson did not have the feet to be fleet-footed.

[Verstyle]

Tyson's feet were fast for a guy who is always in position to sit down on punches and whatnot, but he'd be lost against Ali. It was primarily Tyson's feet that left him in position to get caught coming in, he had good offensive footwork, but didn't recover the best when getting hit and getting back in position.

Also, Tyson was vulnerable to a jab that was timed properly. We saw this early with Biggs and at moments with Pinklon Thomas.

I don't think Tyson could beat Ali, plain and simple. The Tyson in his prime, maybe 1988-ish, was fighting mentally weak nobodies or guys who simply were over the hill. Truth is, Ali wasn't a guy you could intimidate. Ali fought guys like Foreman, Liston, and Frazier, guys as scary or perhaps even scarier.

Be real with me, if Tyson was getting played out at press cons and found out that not only wasn't Ali intimidated but that Ali thought he was a punk, would Tyson already have it in his mind to quit before the bell rang?

Tyson was a weasel in that he never learned how to face his fears or adversity. That's why he needs that big entourage, because they help mask up where he failed to overcome his greatest adversary, himself.

no tyson wouldnt quit at the bell(not literally of course). u guys tend to remember the 96' and on tyson. u guys need to quit that ****. and he showed fast foot speed even when he wasnt on defense.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=de6U7cjUwgw he pivoted and moved out the way alot to find more angles.of course only 1 of many fights he does this in.

and tyson was vulnerable to a jab that was timed when he himself wasnt jabbinguntil rooney told him to(tyson can be slow at times mentally)

and if ali was talking **** at the press conference. ok that would suck. but tyrell biggs was **** talking to him back to the amatuer days when tyson didnt make the team for the olympics.even tyson said that was his favorite fight. but what did he do? not rush and get frustrated,he took his time. even he said he could have koed him in the 3rd but he wanted him to remember the night forever.would ali have some kind of mental game on tyson? yeah he would.and maybe the first few rounds tyson might try to knock his head off but then i think he would settle down.

and like i said for a fight i dont know who would win it would be a toss up. even butterfly wasnt as biased with his claim that ali would beat tyson.he's king of like it could happen and it couldnt. but i think your set in your ways in your answer and by that its hard to have a conversation on this matter cause what ever i say u will side with ali.