could tyson have beat ali if tyson fought like he fought mitch green?

**The Noose** · 12-10-2006, 04:35 PM

No, i dont believe so.
The main reason Tyson was effective against Green was that Green didnt throw the hard flurries Ali did against Frazier.
Ali's punches are far more accurate, plus he would be constantly throwing shots. Green doesnt throw enough at range, the jabs he throws arent effective. And he lets Tyson work on the inside which Ali wouldnt have done.

Frazier could bob and weave for 15 rounds, Tyson would only do that at times. He often came in without head movement, throwing out his jab or just bulling his way in to work on the inside. Ali would have made hm pay.

**Verstyle** · 12-10-2006, 04:41 PM

Originally posted by Bobby Pazuzu

No, i dont believe so.
The main reason Tyson was effective against Green was that Green didnt throw the hard flurries Ali did against Frazier.
Ali's punches are far more accurate, plus he would be constantly throwing shots. Green doesnt throw enough at range, the jabs he throws arent effective. And he lets Tyson work on the inside which Ali wouldnt have done.

Frazier could bob and weave for 15 rounds, Tyson would only do that at times. He often came in without head movement, throwing out his jab or just bulling his way in to work on the inside. Ali would have made hm pay.

but in the green fight he always bobbed and weaved but for 10rds(the limit).and yeah ali's punchs r more accurate but how accurate can u be if tyson is throwing the jab in your face to hit u and blind u.

**The Noose** · 12-10-2006, 04:45 PM

Originally posted by versatile2k6

but in the green fight he always bobbed and weaved but for 10rds(the limit).and yeah ali's punchs r more accurate but how accurate can u be if tyson is throwing the jab in your face to hit u and blind u.

From wat i just watched, I dont think he was bobbing constantly. And Green isnt throwing enough to keep him off.
Ali would of used his reached and speed to get off his shots first.

Im not saying it would be easy. But overall thats how i see it. Tyson threw great shots on the inside. But i dont think Ali would have let him.

**Verstyle** · 12-10-2006, 04:49 PM

Originally posted by Bobby Pazuzu

From wat i just watched, I dont think he was bobbing constantly. And Green isnt throwing enough to keep him off.
Ali would of used his reached and speed to get off his shots first.

Im not saying it would be easy. But overall thats how i see it. Tyson threw great shots on the inside. But i dont think Ali would have let him.

oh ok. but can we agree that tyson had his hands up higher then frazier and would get hit less by ali by doing so

**The Noose** · 12-10-2006, 05:23 PM

Yea. I think having his gloves up would help. But he'd still be hit.

Tyson was great at countering opponents jabs and forcing them back, then unloading. But with Ali throwing 3 and 4 very fast hard shots at a time, i see Tyson getting caught wenever he comes forward.

Also Ali wasnt at his best against Frazier, and still punished him for the first 5 rounds or so.

**Verstyle** · 12-10-2006, 05:25 PM

Originally posted by Bobby Pazuzu

Yea. I think having his gloves up would help. But he'd still be hit.

Tyson was great at countering opponents jabs and forcing them back, then unloading. But with Ali throwing 3 and 4 very fast hard shots at a time, i see Tyson getting caught wenever he comes forward.

Also Ali wasnt at his best against Frazier, and still punished him for the first 5 rounds or so.

remember before frazier his chin wasnt great neither

**Dynamite76** · 12-11-2006, 07:40 AM

In all honesty, Green probably didn't come to fight for Tyson, that was decided before they even stepped in the ring.

**Southpaw Stinger** · 12-11-2006, 08:25 AM

Originally posted by versatile2k6

remember before frazier his chin wasnt great neither

cos only two fighters ever stopped him compared to Tysons 5?

**butterfly1964** · 12-11-2006, 09:59 AM

Originally posted by versatile2k6

i'm looking at the frazier vs.ali fight and when frazier goes in he gets hit alot cause his hands were down,but he still got to ali. now with tyson when he went in with mitch green he used wide bob and weaves and kept his hands up and threw more then just the left look when going in,and threw the jab to get in also.I know u cant compare green to ali but they both threw alot in that fight and tyson reminded me of frazier in that fight. example of how tyson fought green.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZBChe576oRI

Judging from that fight, Tyson more than likely could have beaten the Ali that fought Frazier, but I'm still sold on the prime Ali in this one.

could tyson have beat ali if tyson fought like he fought mitch green?