if JMM is consider a tune up for Mayweather...even after mayweather has been off for almost 2 years
than that means Mayweather is the greatest fighter ever...
because the #2 fighter in the world
is only considered a tune up for you...
Would Mayweather be considered a tune up for any fighter under the super middleweight division?
The Answer is No
So how is JMM consider a tune up if the welter weight division would be his 5th division
and the welter weight division is floyd's 4th?
only haters and ignorant people believe this is a tune up
You must be out of your mind if you think JMM is a tune up for FM. JMM has never been ko'd. He is currently the number 2 p4p in the world after battleling with Paquiao for two fights and ko casamayor and diaz. I am telling you dude, not a walk in the park for FM
Jmm
You have got to be out of you're fookan mind if you dare consider JMM a "tune up". Will Mayweather most likely beat him if they fought? SURE
Don't disrespect the man because I dont think Floyd has ever been in the ring with someone of Marquez' caliber (and vice versa for JMM).
Totally agree bro! Do people forget that after 24 rounds with Paquio and 4 knockdowns, some believe that Marquez won those fights? Marquez has never been KO! Lately, he has taken more chances, he is more aggresive which has paid off -KO Sotomayor and Diaz- FM could win a decision but he could also be KO'd by Marquez!
I am with you bro. It's amazing how most so called boxing fans have already disregarded Marquez. Paquaio ko'd Hatton in two rounds. It took FM 10 rounds to do this. Marquez and Paquaio have fought 24 rounds and up to this point, there is still controversy on who really won those two fights. FM does not have the punching power of Paquaio. What I can see FM do is land a puch, and run away. If FM wins would be by decision, but there is a real chance that Marquez can actually knock him out.
His skills have improved a bit but his ring IQ has not. Compare that to Floyd where his skills are pretty much the same but his ring IQ has grown considerably albeit with some offensive limitation (i.e. more defensive oriented approach).
I think he improved his right hand. If you check the third fight with JMM, he actually tagged several times Marquez with right hands, counter-punching. Pacquiao has always had very strong legs but still doesnt know how to walk in the ring like Finito Lopez or JMM. He is still very fast and strong, but a boxer who controls the distance in the ring nulifies his speed. Not much improvement. Great entertainer, full of action fighter.
Whenever I watch Marquez in action I'm always on edge because he seems so vulnerable. It's like, "..please don't get dropped, please don't get dropped.." I kinda' feel like Peterson is too big, strong and young for him. His arms are pure muscle. Marquez is a fukking master technician but I just think he looks too worn and frail for a guy like peterson. Hell, I'd no doubt be routing for him but I'm not so sure how he'd play out with the likes of Peterson, khan or Bradley in front of him. Your thoughts on the great lightweight? Discuss.
Peterson is a good boxer but he doesnt have ko power. He punched Khan so cleanly and at no point Khan was in danger to go down. He also takes his time to land his punches something that Marquez will take advantage of. Marquez is one the best technician in the sport and in a pure boxing match, he will lose to Marquez better skills. Marquez has never been ko'd, he goes down but he always gets up. That shows you his heart. I think a strong, young puncher with a good inside game like Rios could actually hurt Marquez due to the fact that Marquez is 38, 39 years old.
Cotto is NO Marquez.
Cotto said he couldn't see pac's punches in the post fight interview.
adding 10 extra pounds not gonna help him see any better
and besides Cotto is SHOT.
"Cotto in No Marquez" Amen to that. Cotto will lose to Pacquiao regardless of the weight class.
"How's the punch" sounds really suspicious.
Whether he used plaster in training or not, we can only speculate.
Do we assume that Pacquiao takes steroids because he did not to want to be randomly drug tested and let go 30 to 50 million dollars?
Like everthing else the comment has to be put in context. The comment was made after the first round versus Cotto. It was the assistant who asked him, not the trainer. And it appears that the assistant was trying to find out how was Cotto's punching power since Margarito was being totally outboxed the first round. Don't they say that plaster needs to get wet to hardened and that usually happens in the later rounds?
Personally, I think that Roach is playing mental games. Paquiao has had many distractions in training and Margarito seems to be really hungry for this fight.
If Roach was so certain about Margos cheating, why did he allow his fighter to take this fight? It seems to me that Many is the main attraction so they could have picked any other fighter and still make money, they picked Clotey after all.
One thing for sure, Roach seems to be a little concerned about this fight. Normally at this point, he would be predicting a KO in such round of the fight and he is not doing that.
I have a lot respect for Many. Roach is just trying to hype the fight and get in Margos head.
Erik can still fight. I watched the fight and his style has changed somehow. He is an experienced fighter now and deserves all the credit in the world. Limond was quicker the first 4 rounds but Eric just waited until the time was right to ko him. He still has game.
War Judah, JMM's chin isn't world class, Judah can stop him early.
This would be a good fight. I doubt the fact the Judah can KO Marquez. The number one and two current pound for pound could not do that. Floyd had a huge advantage in weight against Marquez. Some argue that Marquez even beat Paquiao. The fact is that mentally, Marquez is way superior than Judah and at the end of the day, it may come to that.
the number of writers that are now come out of nowhere to voice their opinio about maragrito not deserving to fight manny ,, so did clotey deserved to fight paquiao ? i dont think so cotto? after being kod by margo beaten a paper tiger in jennings an win a controversial fight whit clotey i think not, margarito before loosing to mosley never duck anybody ,he fought williams,cintron,cotto,clotey,six head lewis,santos, life maybe unfair because after all margo has been trough now he gets his last chance at redemption and the big purses the fight will be entreteining for as long as it last let the good times roll save your bitternes for later writer:lame::blackeye:
Margarito does not deserve credit for not ducking anybody. If he tried to cheat against mosley, what prove do we have that he didnt cheat before? He has never been a big puncher, not a good boxer, very limited, he has 6 losses in his record. If we choose to excuse him, thats our perspective. If he'd fought against one of our families members with loaded gloves, everybody would want to kill this guy. He simply does not deserver to fight againg period.
But boxing seems to be a business. It used to be a sport. Pacquaio will collect another worthless title.
well said. and for those who were expecting jmm ko juan diaz on the 2nd fight, it was a different fight just like pacquaio vs barrera 2. JMM has still a lot left in the tank.
If Jaun Diaz makes you do teh chicken dance, your chin isn't world class.
JMM may not have the best chin in the world but he has been top 5 p4p for a long time. It takes more the a great chin to be a world class boxer and Judah just does not have it.
MONEY RULES!!! too bad for NEVADA & CALI...
Totally agree with you. It is all about money. Even if margarito was able to get his license back, he has not done anything at all to deserve a shot at any title. Pacquio's people are at fault for allowing and pursuing this fight. If pacquaio wants another title, why not challenge any of the 154 lbs current champions? And forget about a catchweight. If he wants to come at 150 so be it but allow the opponent to come at 154. Enough of always trying to get an advantage on the opponent one way or another.
you dont understand it because you have not realized how genius Arum is. Get this, they are picking Cotto knowing that they can beat him but they are being consistent in wanting to get an advantage at any cost!
Margo at 150
De la Hoya at 147
Cotto at 145
Marquez 3 at 144
and dont get me started in a topic that for some reason people tend to forget...drug testing!
JMM vs Mayweather
This seems to be a tune up fight for FM in looking forward to a mega-fight with Many Paquiao. It is however, premature to believe that this fight will be a walk in the park for FM. FM could not KO Baldomir. He Ko'd Hatton but really, is Ricky Hatton a true boxer like Marquez? Do not forget that the only fighter that #1 P4P Paquio had troubled with was Marquez. FM does not posses a ko punch like paquaio. Marquez has a decent chin. As far as defense, FM may have the advantage here. Offense though, I think they are at the same level. Marquez is #2 P4P and is not over rated. I personally give Marquez a good chance to win this fight. Looking forward to see it.
SPEED and TIMING are two different things though can be related.
One can be really slow but can still hit a faster opponent via TIMING. On the other hand, having SPEED and QUICKNESS but without TIMING meant that he can hardly hit his opponents.
This is the case with Marquez. He is hardly slow but "slower" in comparison with Mayweather's and Pacquiao's speed BUT superior in his counter-punching skills.
Mayweather's reflexes, knowledge, footworks and angles made it extremely difficult for Marquez to counter and the coupled with the fact that he was "bloated" just to go up in weight made him utterly dysfunctional relatively with Mayweather's comfort weight.
Pacquiao on the other hand both have SPEED and QUICKNESS to complement with this TIMING. I see him as a counter-puncher also but mainly a VOLUME or FLUSH / COMBINATION FIGHTER that can overwhelm his opponents. Within the last 5 fights, he has grown into a relatively more complete fighter with the addition of his lead right hooks and nimble footworks that allow him to have the leverage in forcing combinations of various angles that are unpredictable.
And so with Marquez's assessment of both, I am not surprised. Marquez is obviously basing his reading from his previous fights with Pacquiao but obviously unimpressed that Pacquiao now has gotten better.
This I can understand his competitiveness to test that. And in that light alone, I would like to see them fight again just to "settle" this rivalry. Though on the other hand, I think it is useless for Pacquiao to fight him but being a pugilistic fan first, I would agree that I would like to see them fight again.
But on a 140 weight level or higher as Pacquiao seemingly acclimated now with this heavier weight. And in this light and reasoning alone, makes me think that Pacquiao can annihilate Marquez with his new strength and speed.
But for Pacquiao to go down at 135 or lower, Marquez could probably beat him. But that remains to be seen also in the light of the "new" and more polished Pacquiao.
Whether we like it or not we should be objective in the denial of pacman not to take the drug test demanded by floyd. Why not? Let 50 mill dollars go just like that, I just dont see a valid reason. There had been other boxers that have been able to beat the required drug test (mosley, vargas) so I can see the stakes being high to make sure that both boxers are clean. Nothing to hide? show us then.
Floyd vs Marquez was a good day pay for Marquez. He made more money in that fight that probably in his entire career. It was not however a fair fight.
Out of all this mess I can see clearly who has the bigger balls: Pacman doesnt want to take the drug tests and always demanding catchweights to his advantage cotto, dela hoya, Floyd fighting a way smaller fighter, marquez, and an old past prime fighter, mosley, i pick Marquez for having the bigger balls fighting the best fighter of our generation floyd, and still giving advantages and still calling out pacman despite the fact the pacman seems to be in a different class now
Cotto Still left the door open with the money talks comment, i know we all want manny floyd but u have 2 huge egos that want everything their way, thrw bob arums massive ego and it just builds a giant wall
Because after all is a business!!! How many of us have taken a beating for free in our lifetime? For 25 mill, believe me most people would take that fight.
And Arum would sell it just like he sold Clottey vs Pacquiao. Clottey, really?
Don't care for this fight.
Pac's style is all wrong for Cotto.
Too much speed and Cotto likes to exchange.
It will look similar to the first except Cotto will play it safe and make it to the 12th without as much damage done or dealt.
Today's Cotto loses to Mayweather as well.
Totally correct! I am glad Cotto is standing up for himself but even at 154would not help him. Cotto is a stand up guy, he is a warrior but being a true boxer he is not! Come on people! Why is pacquiao team selecting Cotto to begin with? Remember Freddie Roach " we have to give Marquez a rematch, it would not be right if we didnt give him a rematch"
Pacquiao should give Marquez a rematch, period! Even Bob Arum went to Marquez at the end of the fight\, after Pacquaio was declared winner and sort of apologize to him saying and quote "it is just business"
Hahaha, powerful athletes in the U.S.... Sorry, I just find it funny Floyd's 49th.
floyd is a ****ing moron
Floyd is a ****ing moron! He is the most talented boxer of our generation but he is a full of himself! Every real boxing fan knows that he will beat pacman but nobody likes him because he has no class! And Pacquiao wont take the test. 50 mill on the line and wont take the test!
There are real boxers out there willing to give their lives in ther ring for some recongnition from the fans and we, the fans, dont care.
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Is Pacquiao scared????
I think he is. why is he looking to fight someone whom he already convincely beat? If he is not afraid, at least he is not convinced that he can beat Mayweather. And what happened to the rematch that all pacman's talked about as soon as they announced pacman as the winner against Marquez? Bob Arum said it, Freddie Roach said he did not want to but morally they had to give Marquez a rematch.
Could he be afraid of a 38 yearl old, lightweight? Maybe.
You have to be smart in boxing just like Mayweather and others that have avoided to fight real competition in order to keep ther 0 and make more money. Whether he tried to avoid the fight or actually make more money it was a smart move. Besides he did not turn it down, he was negotiating, something that most boxers dont do.
Truth to be said, even a 154 Cotto will lose to Pacquiao. Real boxing fans know that Cotto's style is wrong for Pacquaio. Cotto is a warrior and deserves all the respect in the world but he is not a true boxer. Cotto will lose a decision by running the entire fight and would get ko if he stands up to Pacquaio. Cotto has no head movement, he does not know how to walk the ring against a south paw like Pacquiao. There is a reason why out of the bunch, Cotto is the one being picked.
Pacquiao is a very nice fairy tale! That is it! Nice fellow, but he is not an atg like Arum is trying to sell him. With all the advantages in the world and he could not beat JMM. If team Pacquaio has any dignity, they would give a rematch to Marquez who in 90% of the people that watched the fight, beat Pacquiao.
YoUr the first person who actually makes sense on this topic...although i disagree that manny is just a fairytale( he his better than that) i agree with ur larger point
ha! you are right. I got carried away. Pacman deserves some credit for doing what he is done! I am though one of those who questioned him for not wanting to take the test some time ago. Really? 40, 50 mill for a fight and not wanting to take some blood test? Very questionable. Khan, Sergio Martinezand many others would comply with this requirement EXCEPT Pacquiao. Why? Mosley said that he had never been hit with a punch like Pacman's in the 3rd round of their bout. Mosley fought Cotto, Mayorga, De la Hoya, Mayweather... really!
Like I posted in the other thread on the regrettable death of Bert Sugar, Q.E.P.D. Bert Sugar.. One hell of a boxing historian, now he's history himself..I guess them cigars finally did their job on him..What a shame..But Sugar lived the way he wanted to & enjoyed it & that's all that matters..
(By the way, for those wondering Q.E.P.D. is R.I.P in Spanish)
No, it was not about Manny. As a matter of fact he stated that JMM beat Pacquiao the first two fights. I wonder what he thought about the third fight.
He will be remembered in the boxing world as one the not only historians, but a true boxing fan. R.I.P.
Arum is too smart to let Pac fight Cotto at 150. Not because Pac can't beat Cotto at 150, more so because it would show Pac and Arum ducked Martinez and Dibella respectively at 150. Arum already showed his hand/a$$ by stating that the only way Pac could fight Martinez at 150 is if they did a same day weigh-in (which commissions like Vegas, California etc. would never agree to anyway), so there's little chance that 150 becomes the catchweight limit for Pac/Cotto II. And you'll recall that the 3-headed monster (better known at Arum, Roach & Ariza) all spoke in unison that Pac will never fight above 147 again after the rib shot he took from Margs at 150. So this next fight with Cotto will prolly be 149 so Arum can still save face (a scale still in the 140's not the 150's) and quell the negative publicity that would chip away further at not only Pac's slightly tarnished image, but also the PPV numbers in June.
Very well said. Unfortunately it is just business. Come on people! There is a reason Ali, Louis are legend.They did not refused any challenge. Mayweather, Pacquaio claim to be atg. but they are not! Always looking for an advantage (pacman), not taking a real risk (FMM). One thing is to make money and another is to look for greatness, for inmortality amongst boxing fans.
Mayweather is probably the most talented boxer in our generation, but he refused to fight Pacman without the test. There is one dude who gave al the advantages to pacman: ring size, weight, glove size, not drug blood testing and still beat him, Juan Manuel "Dinamita" Marquez.
if it makes money sense for marquez he should go for it. marquez could also fight in mexico and get a bigger draw than anywhere else maybe azteca stadium.