All this thread proves is an argument can be made that Manny was feasting on smaller guys between 04-08, and waited until all the real threats at Lightweight or Jr WW loss or vacated. I've been saying for a while how much credit do we give the guy for those wins @ 126-130, when he was re hydrating 10 or sometimes 15 pounds overnight? Not to mention, half of the fighter listed, were beat by Floyd who he has yet to face.
bahaaaaahaahhahhhah
let the hate out of ur heart!!
first he was picking on smaller guys. he moves up and now he's fighitng shot opponents.
you're like that ****ty ex girlfriend.... ur never satisfied. u could get ****ed by a dick made out of diamond and u'll still complain about how it hurts.
Just because some fighters can maximize the amount of water weight they lose, and fight at lower weight classes doesn't mean there not naturally bigger or stronger than the guys they face. There is a difference between muscle density and muscle mass, so in short all muscles are not created equal. I don't have time to give you a science class on hypertrophy, but will leave you with these parting words...
You have no idea on what the hell your talking about.
so was pacquiao drained against morales and barrera?
being 5 lbs heavier makes him that much bigger? or is he a weight drained welterweight taking on super feathers? which is it?
its crazy how times went from
"pac is fighting small, old featherweights. if he moves up to ww he would get his ass kicked by margarito, mosley, cotto"
"he would be a midget to the ww's, no way pacquiao ever moves up"
to
"pac is cherry picking opponents. martigarito is garbage, cotto is coming off a beating, mosley is only there for the paycheck"
"pac is on something, how can he gain so much weight in 10 months. thats 12 lbs of lean muscle, he's on something"
im just gonna sit back and enjoy the show. this is comedy :popcorn:
you just say anything thats convenient to trash pacquiao.
pacquiao cuts to 130= hes fighting smaller guys and taking advantage of his size
pacquiao fights bigger guys that cut weight= hes weight draining them and thats the only reason why hes winning.
which is it? its gotta be 1 or the other
Re-hydrating overnight as much as 10-15 pounds against guys like Morales in 06, is a good indicator that Pacquiao was the naturally bigger guy to begin with. All of the sudden, he move up and fights guys like Diaz, Hatton, and De La Hoya and becomes the same size.
http://img43.imageshack.us/img43/9981/91992309.jpg
All this proves, is Pacquiao could of been comfortably competing at 135 or even 140 years earlier, when there were guys like Diaz, CasaMayor, Corrales, and Castillo all slugging it out in 06-07.
ok. if paquiao was rehydrating that much weight before his fights with morales and barrera... wouldnt that make him.... WAIT FOR IT.... WAIT FOR IT..... wouldnt that make him.... DRAINED?!
or does that theory only work when a big guy cuts weight to fight pacquiao?
you're so blinded with hate that you dont even realize you're contradicting yourself. listen to what you're saying.
pacquiao walks around at 144. you seen it yourself on 24/7, he was force fed because he was getting too small. cotto, margarito, odlh (who i might add came in as a 3/1 favorite, he was supposed to beat the **** out of pac. but you forgot that huh?), clottey are all atleast 160 come fight night.
and guess what? they did what almost all fighters do. they cut weight and re hydrated. just like what pacquiao did at super feather... or was he drained?!?!?!
Your asking an irrelevant question and not making any point. If your understood muscle hypertrophy, then you would get my point.
Let me ask you this question...
How was Paul Williams able to Ko Carlos Quintanas in 2 rounds at WW(147), then in a little over 90 days later KO Andy Kollie in 1 round at MW(160)?
So by your logic was Paul Williams "drained" in the Quintana fight, or was he the naturally bigger guy?
no my question isnt irrelevant.
you say pacquiao cut weight to get the advantage over barrera and morales. but in the same token you say fighters that cut weight to fight pacquiao are drained. you are contradicting yourself.
and to answer your question. paul williams was a big ww, and it gave this 1 dimentional fighter a advantage. when he moved up he got knocked the **** out.
fighters cut weight to get the size advantage. yes pacquiao was bigger than morales and barrera. BUT how are guys that are cutting weight to fight pacquiao.. dont have the advantage?! why are they weight drained? thats my question.
because if he is the same size as cotto and mosley. when he fought morales and barrera.. he must of been weight drained, and still won.
which is it nature boy? or you just contradicting yourself again?
Are you saying he was drained? I'm not sure I understand what your getting at, because I clearly stated that he could have comfortably been fighting at 135 or even 140 years prior to 08.
no. when pacquiao fights bigger opposition that cuts weight. you say they are drained.
when pacquiao fights at 130. you say he's cutting massive amount of weight to get the advantage.
which is it?
And where do you justify JMM at 144 in all this , after all Pac is CW natural JWW right ,,,,, fuk Manny and his bullsh!t CW fights .
And he will never fight Sergio as long as his ass points to the ground , Pac dont take any risks like that , if he cant CW them to an advantage for him he dont fight .
ok lets get some things correct
marquez was calling pacquiao out. he's the one that cant sell a ppv.
explain to me this. marquez hasnt ever sold a ppv by himself. how is he gonna call pacquiao out and demand he comes down to 135 or 140? explain to me that
pacquiao did a catchweight bout at 144 FOR MARQUEZ'S advantage. they could of easily made the fight at 147 just for the hell of it.
Pacquiao's team said 150 and Sergio accepted. His advisor said natural WW and that was no doubt a mistake, but he is a natural JMW if anything (which he also said).
Pacquiao fought Margarito at 150 as well and Martinez has never fought over 160. He would also have to gain 8-10 pounds as opposed to the 3 Pacquiao would.
I believe Martinez has said he would be willing to fight at 163-164 against the Super Middleweights.
i dont see a problem with them fighting at 150. its just funny how sergio volunteers to go to 150 for the fight.... if pacquiao accepts, pacquiao is fighting at weight drained fighter and forced him to move down a few extra pounds :/
bute said he's willing to go down to 164. he sells out stadiums... has tons of fans. sergio would make a very good payday with him. alot more than barker and dzinziruk for sure. but you dont see him saying **** about bute...... he's too busy calling out a 144 pound man.
I think Floyd likes Marquez and vise versa.
Notice in the 9th Round when Marquez was ready to go,Mayweather deliberately held back from pressing for the KO.
After that Round,his Uncle told him to put him away,plus his father also gave a signal from the stands to go for the stoppage.But Floyd went in and allowed Marquez to finish the fight,in the last round he did not even throw much.He allowed Marquez to throw as many as he wanted coz he did not want to stop him.
If he hated him,he would have finished him off for sure.
hahah funny ****. floyd ALLOWED MARQUEZ TO FINISH THE FIGHT. thats a new one
ok so when martinez wants to fight pacquiao, he's too big for 147, he cant make 154 no more (this is coming out of his mouth, not mine).
but when a super middle weight or b hop calls him out... he's a natural ww, 168 is too big for him, he will never fight over 160.
GOT IT!!! :beerchug:
its not smart to trash a guy that literally had no chance. its only gonna make your win look bad
and respect for marquez??!?!?! he didnt even make weight. what type of respect are you guys talking about?
SH1THEAD !!
TWO DIVISIONS SEPARATE PACQUIAO AND MARQUEZ ALSO, BUT THAT DID NOT STOP MANNY FROM "CONCEDING" A CATCH-WEIGHT THAT HE CANNOT MAKE HIMSELF.
Give yourself an uppercut for being so stupid.
It is a joke that Pac is heralded as a P4P warrior, that pu55y is scared of his own shadow.
so why is pac a ***** and martinez isnt? explain me to me that. team martinez is saying he will never ever fight at 168. thats 1 division higher. and you call pac a ***** cause he wont fight someone thats a MW? please.
pac started his career at 106, and moved up 7 divisions.
martinez started at 147 and moved up 2.
explain to me why pac is a ***** and martinez isnt.
Martinez has been on record as saying he would be willing to drop to 150 to fight either. That is right in between Junior Middle and Welter
Has Hopkins expressed a willingness to meet Martinez at 165? right in the middle of Super Middle and Middleweight?
nope he states 170.
165 isnt the middle. ur math is alittle off
160 and 175. whats in between that? 167.5 or a nice round number of 168....
wait?!?! isnt 168 a division?!?!? i could be wrong. but there is alot of fighters at 168. fighters like bute, ward, kessler, froch
but of course.... take a catchweight bout against a fighter 2 divsions lower... cause it wouldnt be fair if sergio moved up 1 division :owned:
ok martinez fought at 147 and moved up to 160. now he's calling out fighters at 147 where he originally fought. thats 2 divisions
hopkins started at 160 and now he's at 175. now he's calling out fighters where he originally started.... 2 divisions lower
EXPLAIN TO ME HOW THIS IS DIFFERENT? explain to me how martinez can call out fighters 2 divisions lower, but get all bent out of shape when someone 2 divisions higher calls him out? wtf kind of **** is this.
if pac-bradley is a bob arum fight, then martinez-barker is a dibella fight...the fukk is lewkowicz talking about? nobody demanded martinez to fight barker except dibella so that's completely his fight.
#teammartinez.... p4p king... of the double standard
ADP023- Floyd won a title at light middle. Pac won a title at light middle. Sergio wants to fight them at light middle so wheres the problem? Surley Sergio will be the one at the disadvantage being an old man in his late 30s draining down in weight. Why wont they fight this "overated" guy who looked so poor vs Barker?
ok so sergio should take the advantage of not cutting, have b hop cut and extra 5 lbs to 170 and take that fight....
but im sure he wont. he's too busy calling out 144 lb fighters haha
2 divisions separate pac/mayweather vs martinez, 2 divisions separate b hop vs martinez
about a 20lb weight difference come fight night for pac/mayweather vs martinez, the same 20lb weight difference between b hop vs martinez on fight night
martinez willing to fight pac/mayweather in a catchweight bout, b hop willing to fight martinez at a catchweight bout
you tell me what's the difference between these 2 situations?
i been telling my friends forever. martinez calling out pac and mayweather is the same difference as b hop calling out martinez.
I agree with TEAM MARTINEZ...Pacquiao gets no props for beating Timothy Bradley.
why's that? i thought pac was ducking african american boxers? i thought he never fought young fighters?
now if he fights a young african american... he gets no credit?
silly how the boxing world works haha
Back in 2000 Martinez wasnt able to keep Margarito off him. Now he could . . . and more. Marg would need a better defence than he has shown in recent years. If an old Mosley can land at will then imagine the damage that a prime Martinez at middlewieght would do. Marg better join Cotto, Floyd and Pac and start running from Martinez.
looks like martinez is running from b hop and the top SMW's.
its ok tho, he can prove his worth by calling out smaller fighters and fighting 18/1 underdogs.
but yet its ok for him to call out pac who walks around at 144?!?!?!
sergio got the situation reversed on him and team martinez acting scared.
talking about the pot calling the kettle black
Don't be an idiot. Martinez is UNWILLING to fight at 168 OR 175, yet he IS willing to fight Pac and Mayweather...that is a double-standard!!
awww poor baby martinez would be too small for them... that isnt fair!!!
i never post on this forum. but something needs to be said about team martinez acting like chicken ****s. atleast fight a super middle weight if not hopkins. stop calling out fighters who are 2 divisions lower. its sad.
he says he wants to prove hes the best in the world but he's calling out smaller fighters, and fighting no namers like dzinzurik and 18/1 underdog darren barker. PLEASE!!!
because it wouldnt be fair for sergio if he was the smaller fighter. oh no.... thats not how p4p kings fight. p4p kings call out smaller guys!!! i thought u knew!!
and so you know. b hop is a light heavy weight. not super middle. 2 divisions separate welterweight and middle, 2 divisions separate middle and light heavy. have a good day
he fights barker for 600k but wont fight pirog for 3 mil? hes a ****ing duck. he'd be lucky to get 5 mil against mayweather or pac. and nows hes ducking a true middleweight for 3 mil?