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Canelo's fight night weight was 160 i believe against Khan it was around 175 + also there was no weight draining Floyd fought a corpse, a zombie from the michael jackson thriller video people can deny this as much as they want, anyone who respects floyd for that win is absolute dirt Lol but you respect boxers who fight weight is 160 but then come into the weighing 180 pounds though?

Im an old school guy i watch many fights daily and have more respect from retired than the current division but anyone would have fits with usyk I thibk usyk could give anyone problems,he might not win against a prime lennox or ali but it would certainly be a fight and i could see usyk also winning those fights Hes in the mix now for me to potentially beat any other the other greats just as i see a way for them to all potentially beat each other You could see Usyk beating Lennox Lewis because you are mentally retarded. Lol Usyk barely beat Chisora and beat a drugged out Tyson Fury who never did anything in his career besides beat old man Wlad and now you clowns act like Usyk is this legendary boxer. There is no sport fan dumber than boxing fans.

Lol Usyk couldn't even school a 36 year old Derek Chisora for crying out loud. These people who think Usyk is a ATG proves what boxing fans are the dumbest of all sports fanboys. This is pretty much Usyk's heavwyeight career. Beat old Chazz Witherspoon, barely beat a faded Chisora, beat hype job Anthony Joshua after fatboy Andy Ruiz destroyed him first. The moment Usyk beat Joshua you seen morons talk about how Usyk was a ATG heavyweight. Then Usyk beat Dubois after Joe Joyce beat him and broke his eye sock and Kevin Lerena almost stopped him and hurt his leg. Then Usyk beat Tyson Fury a 36 year old overweight drug addict who has done nothing with his career besides barely beat a 40 year old Wlad 10 years ago and Fury beat the no talent Deontay Wilder. Let me explain to you people how bad Fury is. Fury fought Francesco Pianeta a D level fighter. Pianeta isn't fast, he doesn't have good defense, footwork, punching power or a chin. Even though Pianeta only landed 39 or so punches in 10 rounds Fury only landed 100 punches and only landed 17 percent of his overall punches and less than 2 percent of his jabs. Too put this too perspective a 40 plus year old Foreman fought Tommy Morrison and Axel Schulz 2 fighters who were better than Pianeta. Both of these guys were aggressive and threw tons of punches, They both were young enough to be Foreman's kids. Foreman landed 225 punches against Morrison and 249 punches against Schulz. So a old Foreman was still better than Fury. You want more funny? This shows you how bad Usyk is. Fury landed almost 40 percent of his punches against Usyk. So Tyson Fury only landed 17 percent his punches against Pianeta a guy who is known for having a bad defense but almost 40 percent against Usyk. So Usyk's defense is so bad that a guy with horrible defense has better defense than him. Usyk's biased dimwitted fanbase are on the same level of Rocky Marciano, Sonny Liston, Muhammad Ali, Mike Tyson, Floyd Mayweather Jr and Tyson Fury. Fanbases so simple minded that there is no point in trying to talk to them. Usyk isn't close to being a ATG heavyweight. He isn't even a good heavyweight. He is just lucky to be in a era of trash heavyweights and even then he isn't anything special. For the people who say but he became the unified champion. So? Boxing needed that to happen and guess what? Nobody cared. Fury should of been stripped of the title years ago. He went 18 months without defending the title. Instead of defending the title he was out there struggling to beat Francis Ngannou. Usyk also defended the "title" 1 time ever year. If you think having a title means something then Deontay Wilder is a ATG then. He held the title for 5 years in this era. Charles Martin and Bermaine Stiverne both had "titles" in this era.

You are the one clearly handicapped here and very biased too. They didn't won titles because they are not as good as you think they were, which is a Fact. Only in your head they are all top fighters. You are delusional and that's who you really are. I already explained to you an Era is defined by its top fighters. And the top fighters during 90s aren't as big as HW of today. Which is again is a fact you chose to ignore. ​​​​​​ Right so winning a title makes you great? Fantastic then Charles Martin is just as good as Usyk and Tyson Fury then according to you because he won a title. Bermaine Stiverne won a title so that clearly makes him great now too right? I am done. I am just going to put you put you on the ignore list now. Bye bye

You can make the same argument you make against Usyk to the run up that Tyson had up until Buster. The 90s fighters didn’t have to deal with any soviets, unproven against soviets, in an age where steroid use was much more widespread. This is all factual. You are chipping away against current era fighters but you can do it in reverse as well. So basically you aren't going to answer the question. How many Soviets are heavyweight champions now? Either answer the question or don't respond to me again. Who did Tyson Fury beat to be considered a ATG. In fact just don't message me again. If you do I will block you.

Don’t disagree with anything you said there really. I have no doubt he would be at the very least amongst the top guys. Anyone with that level of skill, will, chin and talent is not going to be easy to beat. Lol so skilled that Usyk can never land a high percentage of his punches now matter who he fights. Chin? You do realize Tyson Fury can't punch at all so taking his punches mean nothing. Joshua's power is overrated which is why he took 11 rounds to stop a 41 year old Wlad while Corrie Sanders destroyed a prime Wlad in 2 rounds years ago. Even then Joshua wasn't landing flush. Talent? What talent does Usyk have ? The talent to run from fat drug addicts like Fury and still only landed 30 percent of his punches?

And usyk made Dubois quit.. You gonna bag Lennox for losing twice ? Ali for getting beat by Frazier who got flattened by big George, Manny for losing to Horn.. I dunno I feel people are just looking for excuses to belittle usyks achievements. And then there are people like you who will do anything to inflate Usyk's "achievements". If Usyk is great because he beat Daniel Dubios then Joe Joyce is a great fighter since he beat Dubois first. If Usyk is great because he beat Anthony Joshua then Andy Ruiz is even greater for beating Joshua first. Nobody considered Ruiz or Joyce to be ATG. Then how is Usyk beating Fury anything special? Beating a druggy who best win came 10 years ago against a 40 year old Wlad is suppose to be special?

Whats your point what are trying to state, I dont get your stories, I think Mike Tyson smokes him, I think Ali would box his ears of and I think Holyfeild would be a great fight, what is your problem ? Usyk barely beat a faded Chisora but you think he puts up a great fight against a prime Holyfield? Good stuff.

You want to see a racist? Easy. Just look in the mirror. When I look in the mirror I see you mom laying on the bed naked waiting for me. That isn't going to change the point i made. The only people who like Fury or Usyk are racist white boys.

Fury is what he's always been a wildcard/joker in the deck, and I say that figuratively and literally. A big fat guy who looks awkward but somehow is far more effective than he looks, he's got bipolar disorder, he's up and down, he gets drunk and falls over, balloons up to 400lbs. He's always been like this, and it's why predicting a long dominant run for him was always crazy to me. For me his best achievement was getting himself back in shape and knocking off Wilder, that was pure cinema. I said when he won wilder 2 I didn't think it was wise for him to stay around, I didn't believe his mind and body had longevity and so it has proven. But Fury overachieved, he wasn't even supposed to win any world titles, well he ended up winning them all (not at the same time). When the dust settles he should be satisfied with what he achieved, ink. Fury didn't overachieve. He beat a 40 year old Wlad by running. That is pretty much his career. He beat a faded timid Wlad then beat no talent Deontay Wilder. Fury ist just lock to have boxing in a piss poor era for heavyweights.

WBO wasn't fully recognize as major title until the 2000s but try again. Insulting "Current" big fighters who won titles while trying to prop up "Old" big fighters who were only contenders is a nice way to show your bias with old fighters. Vitali and Wlad are both big but wasn't the top dog that time. Wlad feasted on smaller fighters during his reign in the 2000s and considered by many as one of the weakest HW era. The Klitschko brothers were mainly 2000s fighters and not 90s Lol and the only big fighter you can name is Tyson Fury. Michael Grant, Jorge Luis Gonzales, Lance Whitaker, Henry Akinwande, were all considered contenders. Hell Nikolai Valuev also turned pro in the 1990's and became champion in the 2000's. So you only know Tyson Fury as being a big fighter and then claim the fighters are bigger now? Funny stuff. Deontay WIlder is 6'6 but weighs 210 pounds which means Wilder weighs less than the 5'10 Mike Tyson. Also who did Wilder get the title from? Bermaine Stiverne a bum. Joshua is around 6'5 1/2 and 230 depending on how much PED he is using and he only won the title because he beat Charles Martin for crying out loud. Whitaker, Akinwande, Gonzales, Grant etc would of beat Charles Martin as well. Then you say Wlad only fought small guys? Lol Usyk is a small guy dude that you claim is great. You people who flip flop when it fits your agenda. Wlad fought various 6'6/6'7 guys doing his title reign. But if you want to say that doesn't mean anything because Wlad wasn't that good then how is Fury beating a old Wlad something special? I know what you will say. But you didn't say it was. So if Wlad isn't special and Fury isn't special then how is Usyk a ATG because he beat Fury? You are one funny kid.

This is pretty funny, Parker beat Wilder and Ortiz lost to Wilder so that must mean Parker is bette? Lets not mention the fact that old Ortiz lost to a "prime" Wilder while Parker beat a faded, shot almost 40 year old Wilder. Also Parker beat a 41 year old Zhang. You know the same Zhang who got a lucky win years ago over Jerry Forrest for crying out loud. Zhang isn't anything special. Him beat no talent slow Joe Joyce, the same Joe Joyce who just lost to a 41 year old Derek Chisora doesn't make Zhang special. What else has Zhang done with his career? Also beat shot Wilder at overrated Tyson Fury knocked him out twice. Neither Parker or Ortiz are anything special but I would say a younger Ortiz was better than Parker

damn. You really hate us crackas huh. This has been a wild read lol Lol my favorite boxers were Tommy Morrison and George Foreman. I don't play the race card I play the fact card. Black people extremely biased but these white guys are even more so. The same white Europeans who are on Tyson Fury and now Usyk bandwagon where were they in the 19960's through early 2000's when blacks dominated the heavyweight division? The moment they get a white champion it goes to their heads and now they come out the boondocks and pretend to be legit boxing fans. Lets keep it going. Black people love Mike Tyson because he is black but when he beat Trevor Berbick to become champion I never heard a black guy say he was a ATG for that. Fury beats a 40 year old Wlad and didn't even look good doing it and now he is a ATG and Usyk beats a druggy version of Fury and now Usyk is a ATG apparently.

The wins they have pale in comparison to Usyks ..however in terms of talent of course they are up there but they just dont have the scalps and crawford most certainly wont ever match usyks wins Was your mom on crack while she was pregnant with you? Nobody cares about the cruiser weight division so nobody cares what Uysk did there. At heavyweight Usyk beat Chazz Witherspoon a bum, a faded Derek Chisora who was never anything special. A mentally damaged Joshua after Andy Ruiz beat him first. A damaged Daniel Dubois who had his eye socked broke by Joe Joyce and suffered a leg injury against Kevin Lerena, Then Usyk beat Fury a guy who pushing 40 and his best wins were against old man Wladimir Klitschko and Deontay Wilder. I will say you are probably one of the dumbest posters here and that is saying something

Lol anybody who thinks Usyk is a ATG heavyweight has mental issues and I bet you they are white dudes.

how many soviet killers did those 90s fighters beat ? There must’ve been some talent in the soviet era, statistically speaking, not being able to compete because of politics. Plus the fact that Usyk has never been in trouble really. Lol there are Soviet boxers now. How many Soviet champions are there? Also what does anything you type have to do with what I typed? Usyk beat who to be considered a ATG? Hype job Anthony Joshua and overrated Tyson Fury.

Son were you dropped on your head as a baby? Usyk and Fury are both white, wtf are you going on about. Lol you pretend to like both Usyk and Fury because they are white kid. You are just on the Usyk bandwagon because he won. But if either Fury or Usyk were black you would be bashing them

Usyk with a bit more depth to his heavyweight resume can be GOAT. Best zhang, parker, bakole. Then he is GOAT Lol the current heavyweight division is trash. Usyk beat slow robotic Anthony Joshua after fat boy Andy Ruiz did it first. Usyk beat Daniel Dubois after slow Joe Joyce did it first and then he beat Tyson Fury a drug addicted clown who best win/wins in his career are against old Wladimir Klitschko and on talent Deontay. I hate to bring up race but white dudes just say the most hilarlous things when it comes to boxing. Based off the comments I will assume 99 percent of white boxing fans just watch YouTube videos and then think they know boxing. Usyk isn't a top 10 AT great heavyweight, a top 50 ATG heavyweight, a top 150 ATG etc. Usyk is lucky to be in such a bad era for heavyweights. Just leave it at that

It was close, 8-4 was harsh. No issue with Usyk getting it. I thought a draw. I actually thought both looked older tonight. Usyk is slowing down but he is late 30s. He's only got a couple of fights left in him at best Fury is younger but further gone. 2019-2020 Fury beats any version of Usyk but that's not there anymore. From 38 to 48 George Foreman had 34 bouts . Usyk didn't look good but he isn't good. Tyson Fury didn't look good because he isn't good. Usyk beating a mentally damaged Anthony Joshua after he got knocked bout Andy Ruiz first isn't impressive. Usyk beating a damaged Daniel Dubois after Joe Joyce broke his eye socket and Kevin Lerena hurt his leg isn't impressive and Usyk beating Tyson Fury a 36 year old druggy who only "Good" win of his career game against a 40 year old Wladimir Klitschko and barely beat him isn't a impressive win for Usyk.

Tons of big heavyweights in the 90s does not mean Better Fighters. Contenders and no hoper do not define the era. Really not that hard to understand or being clueless yourself lol Edit: I was talking about Top Heavyweights being bigger this era. Again and i will repeat, Top Heavyweights defines the era, not the contenders which you tries to argue with me. Yeah, something is seriously wrong with you, You just claimed Usyk beat Tyson Fury and since Tyson Fury is a bigger heavyweight it means Usyk is a ATG. Then I tell you there were tons of bigger heavyweights back in the 1990s and you response is being bigger doesn't make you better. Joe Joyce, Zhang, Bakole have never even fought for the title so how are they defining a era? Wait Tyson Fury is defining this era? Because he beat a old Wlad 10 years ago? The only bigger heavyweights who won titles in this era are Tyson Fury who is 6'7 and fat, Anthony Joshua and Deontay Wilder who is a natural 210 pound guy, Lance Whitaker, Michael Grant, Henry Akinwande, Jorge Luis Gonzales ect were all bigger and the reason they didn't win the title was because they fought better people. Each of these guys were considered top heavyweights regardless of what you want to believe. But you could also add 6'6 270 pound guys like Jameel McCline but you could also mention the tons of 6'4 to 6'4 1/2 guys like Andrew Golota, Riddick Bowe, Lennox Lewis etc. But yeah since Tyson Fury, Wilder, and Joshua were champions since 2010 it clearly means there are far bigger heavyweights today. Yep you are clearly mentally handicapped. Be a dear and don't message me again and I won't message you again​

He's a section 8 black actually Lol section was created by white people for white females and white females are on welfare more than black women. Nice try though. Just like most serial killers, mass shooters, and pedophiles are white people. Which has nothing to do with my factual point. Racist white dudes who don't know a thing about boxing only like Tyson Fury and Usyk because these guys are white. If these guys were black you would be making racial slurs about them and talk about how they are overrated.

Usyk remains undefeated, as does Beterbiev, while Lomachenko held an unbeaten reign as champion for years—a testament to the exceptional talent emerging from former Soviet countries. Usyk, in particular, has showcased an unparalleled ability to dominate elite heavyweights without ever appearing in genuine trouble, a fact that cannot be dismissed. While it’s true that the 90s fighters were imposing in size, it’s equally crucial to acknowledge the context: drug use and performance-enhancement practices were rampant, with testing protocols lagging far behind today's standards. Consider the Tour de France in the 90s as a parallel—endemic doping undermines many achievements of that time. Moreover, if you're inclined to discredit Usyk, does that same scrutiny extend to Mike Tyson? After all, Tyson's pre-Douglas run—despite its limitations in opposition quality—cemented his status as an all-time great in the eyes of many. Shouldn't the criteria for greatness remain consistent across eras and fighters ? Lol blocked, none of the people you named were heavyweights and Usyk isn't Russian, I am blocking you. Go away.

Lets not pretend that Fury is an atg win. Fury is a very good fighter but sadly lacks dicipline. Both Usyk and Fury aren't their primes either. I will say Usyk is the best fighter since Floyd and Pac. Usyk is 100% ATG, i don't think anyone can argue this. He is not on Floyd and Pac range though. Resume not as deep as them Fury is a really good fighter because of what? Him barely beating a 40 year old Wlad? :Lol you admitted that Usky doesn't have a good resume but then turn around and say he is a ATG. You have to have a good resume to be a ATG . To be a ATG you also have to dominate top level fighters. Who did Usyk dominate at heavyweight? Chazz Witherspoon?

im pretty sure usyk would do better than haye v wlad klit Right your personal opinion doesn't matter. I told you a fact and you will tell me what you want to believe. Haye destroyed a prime Chisora, Usyk barely beat a past his prime Chisora. Andy Ruiz destroyed Anthony Joshua, Usyk beat a mentally damaged Joshua by 2 close decisions. Joe Joyce broke Daniel Dubois eye socket and Kevin Lerena hurt Daniel's leg. Usyk had to come along and beat a physical damage Dubois. Then Usyk beat a junky drug addict Fury who has been boxing for nearly 17 years and the only person he ever beat was a 40 year old timid Wlad and didn't even look good doing it. Lol Yep Usyk has the greatest resume of any heavyweight right? Let me say this again. White guys shouldn't be allowed to talk boxing or anything else by the way because of how hilariously biased you are and how dead wrong you are about everything. If Usyk was black you wouldn't be praising him and this is a fact. Every white guy here praising Usyk would be making the most racist statements you can make about him if he was black. The fact is Usyk is a nobody boxing in a era where nobody watches boxing and the talent pool is at a all time low. Usyk has done nothing with his career at heavyweight that would warrant calling this guy decent. Joshua was a media hype job who already got destroyed by Ruiz, Dubois isn't anything special and already got knocked out by Joe Joyce, and Fury is a 36 year old guy who is living off beating a 40 year old Wlad 10 years ago.

i think u might have to take account of someone just moving up to the heavy division, i think i remember usyk took a long time to get right into it with some setbacks The last time I checked David Haye was just moving up to the heavyweight division and destroyed a prime Derek Chisora. Chisora was still past his prime. Usyk still struggled against a D level fighter who was past his prime.

:lol1: Please. Bruce Seldon was a joke. Please tell me who “peak” Seldon beat for you to have this opinion. You’re either trolling or you’re retarded. But either way you’re a clown. Tell me where this peak Tyson Fury was? When he was running from a 40 year old Wlad? Tell me where this peak Usyk was at? Beating Anthony Joshua after fat boy Andy Ruiz beat him first? You white dudes crack me up. Usyk beats Joshua and he is a ATG and nobody can beat him. Ruiz beats Joshua first and who cares right? Joe Joyce bats Daniel Dubois first and who cares right? Usyk beats Dubois after the guy suffered 2 horrible injuries and Usyk is a ATG. Like I said white dudes shouldn't be allowed to talk boxing because of how dimwit, clueless and racially biased the are.

I will give you another example how to define an era. Leonard and Hearns WW was an era of bigger welterweight fighters in comparison to Pac and Mayweather WW era, which was considered small by fans. We define the era based on the top fighters of the time, not based on contenders and lower ranked fighters. Bigger doesn't mean better fighters. Leonard and Hearns are naturally bigger than Pac and Mayweather. What the hell are you even trying to type lol? You said the heavyweights are bigger now and then when I tell you there were tons of big heavyweights in the 1990s you turn around and say size doesn't matter. Also Pac and and Mayweather aren't natural 147 pound fighters. Good God kid you are so clueless. None of this has a thing to do with what you claim. Usyk beating Tyson Fury proves nothing. Fury isn't a huge guy for heavyweight standards since there have been tons of guys bigger since the 1990s or even before.

Good points. I think Usyk could definitely hang in the 90’s but I don’t see him dominating against the likes of Holyfield, Lewis, Bowe, Mike Tyson etc. Lol Usyk could hang with the best of the 90's? Why? Because you said so? IT is funny how none of you can answer basic questions. Who did Usyk beat in this watered down era that was so good that you now believe Uysk could hang with any half way decent fighter in the 90's? Anthony Joshua after Ruiz beat him first? So could Ruiz hang with the fighters of the 90's? If he a ATG now? Wait Usyk beat Dubois after Joe Joyce beat him first? Could Joyce hang with the best of the 90's now? Is Joyce a ATG? Wait because Usyk beat a drugged out version of Tyson Fury who has done nothing with his career besides beat 40 year old Wlad and no talent Deontay Wilder? Come on dude.

You can't say Usyk is an ATG contending for GOAT and then say Fury is crap at the same time, both can't be true or fury wouldn't have given Usyk his hardest fights. Lol maybe English isn't your first language. At no point in time did you see me type Usyk is a ATG because he isn't and will never be a ATG heavyweight. Also Tyson Fury didn't give Usyk his hardest fight. A faded Derek Chisora did way better against Usyk than Fury did which shows you how bad Usyk is as well.

Pac-Man. People are quick to denigrate those Joshua and Fury wins but man he beat them twice convincingly. Lol because Joshua and Fury aren't anything special and they will never be special. So Usyk beating 2 hype jobs doesn't equate to Usyk being a good fighter