Oleksandr Usyk is the greatest fighter since…

People are saying that Usyk can't be an ATG at Heavyweight because he's only had a few fights at the division. It's understandable, I guess... BUT in all 5 of his title fights at Heavyweight he beat a current or future World Champion. I was curious how that compared to other ATG Heavyweights and only 4 guys had more. Larry Holmes and Mike Tyson had 8 former/current/future world champs. Wladimir Klitschko and Joe Louis had 7. *Klitschko had 9 if you include Povetkin and Pulev for their WBA regular which some people don't. Tyson 8 in 10 wins Holmes 8 in 21 wins Klitschko 7 (*or 9) in 19 wins Louis 7 in 27 wins Individual reigns btw. Also, say what you want about Joshua/Dubois/Fury I would take them over some of the champions these other guys were fighting. Someone fact check me. I did it quickly but it's something I want to look at deeper for sure. Of course, not saying that's the end all be all, but Usyk has made his Heavyweight fights count. Other than his first two fights, I don't know what they were thinking because Matchroom had a deep Heavyweight roster at the time and they decided to waste Usyk's time with Witherspoon and Chisora (Chisora wasn't horrible in hindsight though). If he fights and beats the winner of Dubois/Parker, maybe even both regardless of what happens, that would be 6 or 7 for Usyk. Also, another thing I find funny is that people say Usyk doesn't have a long reign so they can't rank him high, but they refuse to rank Klitschko high even though he had a long reign at Heavyweight. Can't have it both ways...

Lol you pretend to like both Usyk and Fury because they are white kid. You are just on the Usyk bandwagon because he won. But if either Fury or Usyk were black you would be bashing them You obviously do not know me, or else you wouldn't write such silly nonsense.

Awww the baby penis white boy called me a boy. I am so hurt lol. When white guys can keep Mexicans from taking over their country then get back to me white boy, when white guys can stop shooting up schools on a weekly basis then get back to me white boy. when white guys can stop touching kids then get back to me white boy. Black males dominate boxer for 60 years and the moment you white boys get a white champion it goes to your head. White guys shouldn't be allowed to talk about anything. You know besides touching kids and shooting up schools but my point stands, Usyk is trash and only low IQ white males hero worship him. Just a thought—who invented the computer or the internet you're using to type this? While critiques of any group should invite open discussion, it’s worth considering the contributions of those you’re criticizing. Without their innovations, how certain are you that you wouldn’t be communicating from a vastly different reality ? Let’s elevate the conversation beyond divisive rhetoric and focus on constructive dialogue.

Thanks for proving my point boy :lol1: Awww the baby penis white boy called me a boy. I am so hurt lol. When white guys can keep Mexicans from taking over their country then get back to me white boy, when white guys can stop shooting up schools on a weekly basis then get back to me white boy. when white guys can stop touching kids then get back to me white boy. Black males dominate boxer for 60 years and the moment you white boys get a white champion it goes to your head. White guys shouldn't be allowed to talk about anything. You know besides touching kids and shooting up schools but my point stands, Usyk is trash and only low IQ white males hero worship him.

Lol section was created by white people for white females and white females are on welfare more than black women. Nice try though. Just like most serial killers, mass shooters, and pedophiles are white people. Which has nothing to do with my factual point. Racist white dudes who don't know a thing about boxing only like Tyson Fury and Usyk because these guys are white. If these guys were black you would be making racial slurs about them and talk about how they are overrated. Is that your race card on floor you just dropped? Seriously dude, can you stop spamming this thread whining like a b****. I’m sick of getting notifications from your crying ass. F***ing weak ass n****.

you knew leeroy would be uncomfortable with this "usyk cant beat o' jheri curl jones from the 70s he aint sh^t." "they dont know nuting bout dat" :lol1:

im pretty sure usyk would do better than haye v wlad klit Right your personal opinion doesn't matter. I told you a fact and you will tell me what you want to believe. Haye destroyed a prime Chisora, Usyk barely beat a past his prime Chisora. Andy Ruiz destroyed Anthony Joshua, Usyk beat a mentally damaged Joshua by 2 close decisions. Joe Joyce broke Daniel Dubois eye socket and Kevin Lerena hurt Daniel's leg. Usyk had to come along and beat a physical damage Dubois. Then Usyk beat a junky drug addict Fury who has been boxing for nearly 17 years and the only person he ever beat was a 40 year old timid Wlad and didn't even look good doing it. Lol Yep Usyk has the greatest resume of any heavyweight right? Let me say this again. White guys shouldn't be allowed to talk boxing or anything else by the way because of how hilariously biased you are and how dead wrong you are about everything. If Usyk was black you wouldn't be praising him and this is a fact. Every white guy here praising Usyk would be making the most racist statements you can make about him if he was black. The fact is Usyk is a nobody boxing in a era where nobody watches boxing and the talent pool is at a all time low. Usyk has done nothing with his career at heavyweight that would warrant calling this guy decent. Joshua was a media hype job who already got destroyed by Ruiz, Dubois isn't anything special and already got knocked out by Joe Joyce, and Fury is a 36 year old guy who is living off beating a 40 year old Wlad 10 years ago.

He's a section 8 black actually Lol section was created by white people for white females and white females are on welfare more than black women. Nice try though. Just like most serial killers, mass shooters, and pedophiles are white people. Which has nothing to do with my factual point. Racist white dudes who don't know a thing about boxing only like Tyson Fury and Usyk because these guys are white. If these guys were black you would be making racial slurs about them and talk about how they are overrated.

Maybe stop committing crime first. You mean when white people stop shooting up schools, churches, movie theaters and concerts?

Tell me where this peak Tyson Fury was? When he was running from a 40 year old Wlad? Tell me where this peak Usyk was at? Beating Anthony Joshua after fat boy Andy Ruiz beat him first? You white dudes crack me up. Usyk beats Joshua and he is a ATG and nobody can beat him. Ruiz beats Joshua first and who cares right? Joe Joyce bats Daniel Dubois first and who cares right? Usyk beats Dubois after the guy suffered 2 horrible injuries and Usyk is a ATG. Like I said white dudes shouldn't be allowed to talk boxing because of how dimwit, clueless and racially biased the are. Maybe stop committing crime first.

Moving through lower weight classes doesn't compare, for me, to moving from Cruiserweight to Heavyweight, and especially not with the size of some of the guys he's fought. It's incredible and I can't see how his resume really gets improved. Dubois, Joshua (x2), Fury (x2). Who else improves his resume? Nobody. AJ, Fury and Dubois are arguably the top three outside of Usyk. Parker is not bad but I do not think adding his name does anything. Usyk might just go back down to CW and get undisputed there. He did all he can and cleared out the HW division.

shawnkemp804 you seem very emotional. Relax and stop spamming this thread please. he’s gotta be a salty Russian

shawnkemp804 you seem very emotional. Relax and stop spamming this thread please.

The last time I checked David Haye was just moving up to the heavyweight division and destroyed a prime Derek Chisora. Chisora was still past his prime. Usyk still struggled against a D level fighter who was past his prime. im pretty sure usyk would do better than haye v wlad klit

i think u might have to take account of someone just moving up to the heavy division, i think i remember usyk took a long time to get right into it with some setbacks The last time I checked David Haye was just moving up to the heavyweight division and destroyed a prime Derek Chisora. Chisora was still past his prime. Usyk still struggled against a D level fighter who was past his prime.

:lol1: Please. Bruce Seldon was a joke. Please tell me who “peak” Seldon beat for you to have this opinion. You’re either trolling or you’re retarded. But either way you’re a clown. Tell me where this peak Tyson Fury was? When he was running from a 40 year old Wlad? Tell me where this peak Usyk was at? Beating Anthony Joshua after fat boy Andy Ruiz beat him first? You white dudes crack me up. Usyk beats Joshua and he is a ATG and nobody can beat him. Ruiz beats Joshua first and who cares right? Joe Joyce bats Daniel Dubois first and who cares right? Usyk beats Dubois after the guy suffered 2 horrible injuries and Usyk is a ATG. Like I said white dudes shouldn't be allowed to talk boxing because of how dimwit, clueless and racially biased the are.

Don’t disagree with anything you said there really. I have no doubt he would be at the very least amongst the top guys. Anyone with that level of skill, will, chin and talent is not going to be easy to beat. Lol so skilled that Usyk can never land a high percentage of his punches now matter who he fights. Chin? You do realize Tyson Fury can't punch at all so taking his punches mean nothing. Joshua's power is overrated which is why he took 11 rounds to stop a 41 year old Wlad while Corrie Sanders destroyed a prime Wlad in 2 rounds years ago. Even then Joshua wasn't landing flush. Talent? What talent does Usyk have ? The talent to run from fat drug addicts like Fury and still only landed 30 percent of his punches?

Son were you dropped on your head as a baby? Usyk and Fury are both white, wtf are you going on about. Lol you pretend to like both Usyk and Fury because they are white kid. You are just on the Usyk bandwagon because he won. But if either Fury or Usyk were black you would be bashing them

Its maybe worth noting that Lewis only fought one southpaw (some journeyman) and openly expressed how much he hated facing them. I do not think Tyson and Bowe ever fought a single southpaw, none come to mind at least. Holyfield fought 4 with me ignoring the Belfort fight. 1-1 with Moorer and losses to Chris Byrd & Ibragimov. Past his best for sure but I think it'd be a fair assumption to say he wasn't the best vs southpaws. For me in fantasy H2H match ups I'd not be confident picking anybody over Usyk while this era is far from the best they are infinitely more experienced with southpaws. I find it impossible to see anyone with no or very limited experience vs southpaws fairing well vs Usyk who has the most complex southpaw style of the lot. Anytime anyone figures him or starts having success he finds the adjustment and another gear, he is just a very unique and special fighter. Don’t disagree with anything you said there really. I have no doubt he would be at the very least amongst the top guys. Anyone with that level of skill, will, chin and talent is not going to be easy to beat.

Again I could take what you typed as being serious if you weren't white. Everything I typed is 100 percent fact. You are white, you are biased, you don't know anything about boxing because to pretend to like whatever fighter who is white. Son were you dropped on your head as a baby? Usyk and Fury are both white, wtf are you going on about.