I like Usyk, but people are acting like he schooled a Prime Lewis and Klitschko...

how do u know they are 'prime'???? i doubt very much they are hitting all the training tar4gets they did 5 or more years ago Krassyuk says that Usyk hits new insane feats of fitness every training camp. Supposedly for fury he was swimming laps of an Olympic swimming pool underwater. He's a physical freak.

It's very obvious that something has changed over the last 20 years, unless it's just that Eastern Europeans age a lot slower than westerners for some genetic reason, Bertebiev is a couple of years older than Usyk and still prime, eastern euros will be in their primes in their 40s soon. how do u know they are 'prime'???? i doubt very much they are hitting all the training tar4gets they did 5 or more years ago

Usyk is also 37 years old. larry holmes was 38 when he looked shot getting sparked out by tyson. lewis was 37 going life and death with vitali only getting saved by a cut he caused from holding and hitting which is an illegal punch. but Usyk has some kind of lofty expectations for a 37 year old i guess. unless you are to take the obvious conclusion that all fighters are on PEDs and their careers after 35 look a lot better now than in the past. It's very obvious that something has changed over the last 20 years, unless it's just that Eastern Europeans age a lot slower than westerners for some genetic reason, Bertebiev is a couple of years older than Usyk and still prime, eastern euros will be in their primes in their 40s soon.

Usyk is also 37 years old. larry holmes was 38 when he looked shot getting sparked out by tyson. lewis was 37 going life and death with vitali only getting saved by a cut he caused from holding and hitting which is an illegal punch. but Usyk has some kind of lofty expectations for a 37 year old i guess. unless you are to take the obvious conclusion that all fighters are on PEDs and their careers after 35 look a lot better now than in the past.

You can scrutinise anyone’s resume this way. Lewis beat the Ghost of Tyson. Never fought Bowe in the pros. Won an inconclusive bout against Klitschko which he never played back. Beat a Holyfield that already been stopped and beaten in a trilogy by Bowe. On top of that he also lost twice to lesser guys. this. I mean lewis got sparked clean out and stopped another time, on and on .

um he was undisputed and lineal in two divisions. he was the first cruiser to become lineal since holyfield in the 90s like 30 years ago. if it was that easy to do then it wouldnt have been a once in 30 year thing. this is why guys like haye never achieved it

His endurance is good in this era, but who's he up against? AJ is notorious for having bad stamina, Fury is a 270lb blubbersauraus who pretty much kept pace with Usyk although he got a bit tired at the end. Outside that who have we had, Zhang? Cheeseburger Ruiz? Usyks greatest attribute might be his discipline and fitness which yes, does put him above the other heavyweights of this era because their discipline and fitness suck. I checked Usyk vs Joshua 1 because I believe that was the fight where Usyk showed the most activity and fitness, he threw 529 punches in that fight I just picked a random Lennox Lewis fight that went 12 rounds, Holyfield 1. Lewis threw 613 punches in that fight. Holyfield vs Foreman 584 punches Klitschko threw 509 punches vs david haye ​​​Usyks work rate historically isn't anything special, it just seems that way against slow, low output plodders who average 25 punches a round who we have now. Your grading punching. I’m talking all of it. His foot work is never ending. Always moving. That is not common in the heavy weight division. Most small heavy weight ALWAYS outwork the big men. Nothing new.

Lol Usyk couldn't even school a 36 year old Derek Chisora for crying out loud. These people who think Usyk is a ATG proves what boxing fans are the dumbest of all sports fanboys. This is pretty much Usyk's heavwyeight career. Beat old Chazz Witherspoon, barely beat a faded Chisora, beat hype job Anthony Joshua after fatboy Andy Ruiz destroyed him first. The moment Usyk beat Joshua you seen morons talk about how Usyk was a ATG heavyweight. Then Usyk beat Dubois after Joe Joyce beat him and broke his eye sock and Kevin Lerena almost stopped him and hurt his leg. Then Usyk beat Tyson Fury a 36 year old overweight drug addict who has done nothing with his career besides barely beat a 40 year old Wlad 10 years ago and Fury beat the no talent Deontay Wilder. Let me explain to you people how bad Fury is. Fury fought Francesco Pianeta a D level fighter. Pianeta isn't fast, he doesn't have good defense, footwork, punching power or a chin. Even though Pianeta only landed 39 or so punches in 10 rounds Fury only landed 100 punches and only landed 17 percent of his overall punches and less than 2 percent of his jabs. Too put this too perspective a 40 plus year old Foreman fought Tommy Morrison and Axel Schulz 2 fighters who were better than Pianeta. Both of these guys were aggressive and threw tons of punches, They both were young enough to be Foreman's kids. Foreman landed 225 punches against Morrison and 249 punches against Schulz. So a old Foreman was still better than Fury. You want more funny? This shows you how bad Usyk is. Fury landed almost 40 percent of his punches against Usyk. So Tyson Fury only landed 17 percent his punches against Pianeta a guy who is known for having a bad defense but almost 40 percent against Usyk. So Usyk's defense is so bad that a guy with horrible defense has better defense than him. Usyk's biased dimwitted fanbase are on the same level of Rocky Marciano, Sonny Liston, Muhammad Ali, Mike Tyson, Floyd Mayweather Jr and Tyson Fury. Fanbases so simple minded that there is no point in trying to talk to them. Usyk isn't close to being a ATG heavyweight. He isn't even a good heavyweight. He is just lucky to be in a era of trash heavyweights and even then he isn't anything special. For the people who say but he became the unified champion. So? Boxing needed that to happen and guess what? Nobody cared. Fury should of been stripped of the title years ago. He went 18 months without defending the title. Instead of defending the title he was out there struggling to beat Francis Ngannou. Usyk also defended the "title" 1 time ever year. If you think having a title means something then Deontay Wilder is a ATG then. He held the title for 5 years in this era. Charles Martin and Bermaine Stiverne both had "titles" in this era. I mean it's harsh but it doesn't make it untrue

You can scrutinise anyone’s resume this way. Lewis beat the Ghost of Tyson. Never fought Bowe in the pros. Won an inconclusive bout against Klitschko which he never played back. Beat a Holyfield that already been stopped and beaten in a trilogy by Bowe. On top of that he also lost twice to lesser guys.

Lol Usyk couldn't even school a 36 year old Derek Chisora for crying out loud. These people who think Usyk is a ATG proves what boxing fans are the dumbest of all sports fanboys. This is pretty much Usyk's heavwyeight career. Beat old Chazz Witherspoon, barely beat a faded Chisora, beat hype job Anthony Joshua after fatboy Andy Ruiz destroyed him first. The moment Usyk beat Joshua you seen morons talk about how Usyk was a ATG heavyweight. Then Usyk beat Dubois after Joe Joyce beat him and broke his eye sock and Kevin Lerena almost stopped him and hurt his leg. Then Usyk beat Tyson Fury a 36 year old overweight drug addict who has done nothing with his career besides barely beat a 40 year old Wlad 10 years ago and Fury beat the no talent Deontay Wilder. Let me explain to you people how bad Fury is. Fury fought Francesco Pianeta a D level fighter. Pianeta isn't fast, he doesn't have good defense, footwork, punching power or a chin. Even though Pianeta only landed 39 or so punches in 10 rounds Fury only landed 100 punches and only landed 17 percent of his overall punches and less than 2 percent of his jabs. Too put this too perspective a 40 plus year old Foreman fought Tommy Morrison and Axel Schulz 2 fighters who were better than Pianeta. Both of these guys were aggressive and threw tons of punches, They both were young enough to be Foreman's kids. Foreman landed 225 punches against Morrison and 249 punches against Schulz. So a old Foreman was still better than Fury. You want more funny? This shows you how bad Usyk is. Fury landed almost 40 percent of his punches against Usyk. So Tyson Fury only landed 17 percent his punches against Pianeta a guy who is known for having a bad defense but almost 40 percent against Usyk. So Usyk's defense is so bad that a guy with horrible defense has better defense than him. Usyk's biased dimwitted fanbase are on the same level of Rocky Marciano, Sonny Liston, Muhammad Ali, Mike Tyson, Floyd Mayweather Jr and Tyson Fury. Fanbases so simple minded that there is no point in trying to talk to them. Usyk isn't close to being a ATG heavyweight. He isn't even a good heavyweight. He is just lucky to be in a era of trash heavyweights and even then he isn't anything special. For the people who say but he became the unified champion. So? Boxing needed that to happen and guess what? Nobody cared. Fury should of been stripped of the title years ago. He went 18 months without defending the title. Instead of defending the title he was out there struggling to beat Francis Ngannou. Usyk also defended the "title" 1 time ever year. If you think having a title means something then Deontay Wilder is a ATG then. He held the title for 5 years in this era. Charles Martin and Bermaine Stiverne both had "titles" in this era.

His resume isn't there to be considered the greatest. He doesn't have the long history of defences. You can't blame him for not really having a rivalry. He took the rematches that could have produced a rivalry... but he won them. But I will say that his performances have been exceptional. He has won against the best the division could offer and looked brilliant in every fight. Pound for pound, era for era, I rate him very highly.

You're just a hater. Post history proves it. And it's hilarious you talk up Dubois who Usyk already stopped with a jab, after winning every second that he wasn't getting punched in the nuts. Not interested in hater talk. I'm consistent with my opinions. I've also been very realistic about Dubois, his recent form is impressive and he's very dangerous vs the right opponents but let's not forget Joyce also made him quit and Larena had him on the floor 3 times in the first round. he has no chance against Usyk in a rematch and I've never said otherwise.

Haven't seen anyone claim that. He did beat the best of this heavyweight class tho, without question. If he beats Dubois again he can retire as one of the greatest of this generation

Being Undisputed at Cruiserweight and then moving on to Heavyweight to take on the top dogs that many have avoided before when they were at their peak isn't considered great, in your opinion? Oh, he became Undisputed at Heavyweight, too. I'm not a fan of Usyk, but I'm not going to deny his talent. Dude is unorthodox and is tricky and slick! How does a man who weighs 220lb beat these men who have like 50lbs on him?​

He beats both of them.

Being Undisputed at Cruiserweight and then moving on to Heavyweight to take on the top dogs that many have avoided before when they were at their peak isn't considered great, in your opinion? Oh, he became Undisputed at Heavyweight, too. I'm not a fan of Usyk, but I'm not going to deny his talent. Dude is unorthodox and is tricky and slick! How does a man who weighs 220lb beat these men who have like 50lbs on him?

You're just a hater. Post history proves it. And it's hilarious you talk up Dubois who Usyk already stopped with a jab, after winning every second that he wasn't getting punched in the nuts.

Already schooled prime Klitschko in sparring. Usyk has better engine, footwork then Lewis. Lewis only has punchers chance because Lewis likes strategy but Usyk is an another level strategy wise. ​ Pure lies. That sparring took place in the lead up to Wlad vs Fury.

Lewis and Klitschko lost to lesser fighters. They also fought better competition. I think Usyk is a top 10 HW in any era. Not the GOAT but in the conversation for Top 10 HW all-time. Not sure he can beat Lewis but if McCall and Rahman can do it, Usyk certainly has a chance.

Look at OP's post history. Stay salty :cool: