Compubox counted a fuckload of Rigo's slow lazy range finder jabs. Those type of jabs he uses just to create some space with no real intention to land or do damage. People have constantly been citing those 850 punches from compubox as if he was bringing the action, but it's highly misleading.
I only counted the punches Agbeko threw for a couple rounds. Compubox and I differed by a only a few punches because when Agbeko threw a punch it was obvious. I'll take their word for it that they counted those more or less correctly.
Rigondaux-------Agbeko
Round 1: 28-----Round 1: 37
Round 2: 39-----Round 2: 23
Round 3: 38-----Round 3: 31
Round 4: 35-----Round 4: 35
Round 5: 50-----Round 5: 29
Round 6: 40-----Round 6: 21
Total: 230-------Total: 176
While these aren't necessarily bad numbers (note I was being a bit generous with some of those jabs), they're nowhere near the 450 punches thrown compubox had for the first 6 rounds for Rigo. And the difference between the punches Agbeko and Rigo threw isn't as dramatic.
I mostly agree with what you've written - compubox has been well off in some fights in the past (usually with punches landed though).
2 parts of disagreement
1 - He uses those jabs as more of a "baiting jab" to open up holes/counter punch rather than as a "range finder", if you've watched his past fights you will plenty of this when he has stunned/dropped/stopped fighters.
2 - Your title "Busting the myth of Rigo doing tons more than Agbeko" is misleading.Doing tons more and throwing tons more are 2 different things, even by your own numbers he has clearly thrown more(granted not tons more)
But he was clearly "doin tons more" than Agbeko - throwing more with intent,throwing that baiting jab to try and find spots, giving him angles-he was far more active than Agbeko. "Rigo vs Agbeko the 850 punch myth" would have been a better title.
So is Froch saying all those Americans that sparred with him in his build up to fights with Taylor and Ward are traitors?.
Maybe Adam Booth is supposed to be Frochs friend but Booth preventing his up and coming fighter from world class sparring would be extremely selfish and unprofessional. His job is to do what's best for Groves and would be crazy to turn down such an opportunity.
So Quigg believes he can sellout a stadium,how many did he draw for his last fight ?
Don't know how many were in attendance but he drew a solid crowd for his last fight at the m.e.n
Was he headlining,so it did not actually sell out ?
Yeah he was headlining, I doubt it would of sold out the 20k arena as he was fighting a virtual unknown but it was a solid crowd. M.E.N would sell out no problem for a Frampton fight.
Exactly. Floyd and Manny became mega stars after fighting Oscar.
Ward needs an opponent that can do what Oscar did for Manny and Floyd and Chavez Jr. is really the only guy with that kind of popularity.
But what Ward needs to realize is that Floyd and Manny had to leave their comfort zones and move up in weight to make the fight with Oscar. Ward will have to leave his comfort zone to get the fight with Chavez too.
Chavez is bigger than Ward I don't understand why the fight should be fought at a catch weight.If anything it should be fought at 175 as Chavez wouldn't be so drained.
why would Martinez fight at 168 just cuz he weighs 170 right now? First off he's 165 on fight not and secondly he doesn't have the frame for it, at 154 he was SOLID, at 160 he's smaller and not as strong as most of the guys he fights, the difference is he has the punching power and speed to make up for it. At 168 he doesn't have the power to discourage those guys, all the top guys at 168 or 6'2" and up and they're not sticks they're solid. They out power and destroy Martinez at 168 its a joke.
It's not like Floyd who weighs in at 150 and fights at 154 and 147...at 147 Floyd is normal size and fits his frame but he's a strong mofo, stronger than most of the guys there. At 154 he fights small guys like Cotto, or Oscar. People need to stop *****ing that Martinez isn't fighting guys at 168 its ridiculous...u blame the guy for asking for fights at 150 or 154? If you think he's big enough for 168 then you should also think he's too big to be able to make 154 or 150 healthy...so stfu...dude is taking care of business at 160 and wants more money and a chance to fight the best P4P u gonna blame him??? If y'all wanna ***** you should be asking why he isn't fighting GGG or Pirog
Martinez fight night weights
vs Chavez 167
vs Pavlik 167
vs Williams II 168
vs Dzinziruk 170
And again nobody on this thread is *****ing on Martinez for not fighting at 168, the consensus on this thread is he is a great fighter but he is not a small middleweight.
Can't blame him for wanting a big money fight from a business stand point but from a boxing stand point I don't think it makes sense and I don't think he can make 150 healthy and he may struggle to make 154 at his age.
If Mikey gets past Burgos I'd like to see him fight Uchiyama and another one of the better fighters at 130(Barthelemy,Miura,Mendez) before moving up to lightweight where he can find more good fights (Vazquez,Abril,Crawford,Figueroa). I'd love to see a Gamboa fight at 130 or 135 as well. If he could get through that gauntlet undefeated he will definitely be one of the money men in boxing.
But it was ok for Fraud to come in on fight night 16lbs over the weight limit vs JMM. Fraud had to pay JMM 500 or 800K because he was 2lbs over during the weigh in. So PLEASE stop making excuses for Fraud.
thats a lie
I don't think it has anything to do with him not being American, Mexican or Filipino. I honestly don't. I believe it has to do with his style and character more than anything.
His style is what turns people off. There have been plenty of fighters who spoke little to no English and managed sizeable audiences. Maidana would be an example of that, so would Matthysse, and Mayorga, , all of whom are neither Mexican, Puerto Rican or Filipino, but manage to receive a lot of support.
I gave this example many times, but it bares repeating. If your style is boring, unless you offer something else in the form of entertainment (as Mayweather does) you're not going to sell. Even one of the biggest boxing audiences, Mexicans will not watch you if you're boring, as is the case with light weight champion Miguel Vasquez. No one wants to see him figh, which is why he isn't an option for the big names like Broner, Gamboa, Garcia, etc.
I can see how his style can turn casual fans off(and some hardcore ones) but you cant say not being Mexican or American has nothing to do with it. Outside of their last fights Maidana(b side vs Broner)or Matthysee(ppv undercard) for example haven't exactly been big draws with crowd attendance or viewership numbers.
You can't compare Rigo to Vasquez - different skill levels, Rigo would be a draw if he was Mexican.
For everyone saying that there's only one Floyd Mayweather, the question is what dangerous opponent did Floyd face when he was 23-24 yrs old at welterweight??? Answer...NOBODY!! And Broner is 5'6" while Floyd is 5'8"!!!! He's smaller than Floyd and he jumped up 2 weight classes to fight Maidana at 147. Blame poor matchmaking by Team Broner and Golden Boy...but give credit to Broner for moving up and facing an extremely dangerous opponent. In comparison, Broner vs. Maidana at 147 would be like a lightweight Floyd vs. Mayorga or Margarito at 147 back in early 2000s.
And did Floyd ever end up facing Mayorga or Margarito in any weightclass??? Nope.
Yep..I didn't forget that. Still bad managing because Broner looked too small even against Paulie. He wasn't ready for Maidana.
Those opponents that hitking referenced were lightweights. My argument is who did a 23-24 yr old Floyd fight at 147 that was dangerous? We know that answer.
And I don't even like Broner lol
Why would Mayweather have been fighting at welterweight at that age
At age 23-24 Floyd Mayweather naturally weighed 135-140lbs
At age 23-24 Broner 150-156
Broner fighting Maidana at 147 who outweighs him by 3-4lbs and is 1/2 an inch taller is not compariable at all to to Floyd fighting Mayorga(1 inch taller) or Margarito(3 inches taller) who would have both outweighed him by around 20lbs.
Referencing guys like Hernandez,Corrales and Castillo is fine because the size difference between those guys and Mayweather is much bigger than Broner-Maidana
The argument "who did a 23-24 yr old Floyd fight at 147 that was dangerous?" becomes irrelevant for the reasons stated above.
While it not going to happen so he should keep the belt and fight fighters in his own divisions. He would actually be dropping two belts (WBA regular and WBC)...do you really think he would do that.
-Like it or not while Floyd holds the WBA belt at 154 he is a fighter in his
division. If Floyd chooses not to fight at 154 Canelo will be upgraded to full
champ.
-If Floyd-Canelo fight happens in September and the WBC forces Canelo to fight
Lara(which wont happen fair or unfair it's all bout the $$$$ for uncle Jose) no
doubt Canelo would drop the belt he stands to make far more $$$ off of a Floyd
fight.
About Mayweather you are unfortunately correct, he is not that small. But Martinez is too small and too old to go up. If he has to he can make 154 (according to he and his team) Many of those 168 pounders come into the ring pushing close to 185 lbs which was heavyweight only a generation or two back.
It's the same for MannyP. Those who pushed him to go up to 154 just wanted to see him get hammered. One of the reasons that past fighters were small for their weights is because they had same day, or ringside weighins and couldn't pare themselves down too much just before a fight.
How is Martinez small but Mayweather not?
Mayweathers fighting weight is 150-151 (3-4lbs above ww limit)
Martinez fighting weight is 167-170 (7-10lbs above mw limit)
Andre Ward fighting weight 175 (7lbs above smw limit)
There was a time when boxing was known as "the sweet science" and the "manly art of self-defense" was considered a "gentlemanly pursuit". For better or worse, our beloved sport has devolved into seeing who can reach the lowest level of class the fastest. No wonder we remain a joke among mainstream sports. Oh well, I'll still be glued to the TV Saturday night...:)
What the hell are you talking about? from day one boxing has been full of corruption and classless thugs, nothing has changed in that regard. You're looking at the 'good old days of boxing' with rose tinted glasses.
The fake Christian wants a payday.
He knows a fight with chavez jr will pay him. & there is most certainly plenty of other fights out there but none (with the exception of maybe Froch in England) will pay him well. JCCJR is coming off a loss & isn't even at 168. Jr would needs the Martinez rematch given the circumstances in which that 12tj round went when JR. Came on strong.
Hey Ward, why not Golovkin who called you out? He's willing to go to 168. GGG will most certainly beat Ward.
Andre Ward is a joke. Can go **** himself
Amir khan disagrees with you
And more deaths. This isnt clever, its stupid and bases itself on the incorrect assumption that all fighters have an identical metabolism and can micromanage things like rehydration. Go and talk to some fighters or hang out with some who are busting their ass to make weight. If they gain 20lbs its just weight, not strength...that takes a lot longer than 36 hours to return. Gaining too much back too quickly is actually more of a hindrance than a help.
I cannot believe some of the dumb **** I'm reading here today.:nonono:
So you are ok with fighters being 20lbs over the weight limit?
If you think the ref/timekeeper thought Scott was down for 5 when he started the count you've got some issues!
Who's got issues?
Scott hits the canvas at 17, at 13 ref clearly picks up the count at 4 no controversy there.
He doesn't work for Robert Guerrero. If he was making more money than Mayweather (the fighter he actually works for) you would have a point. But calling him a hypocrite because he made more money than the opposing fighter makes no sense. So Ellerbee is a sycophant for doing his job and saying what he is supposed to say in defense of his boss? Okay. Whatever...
I guess you could argue wether or not it's hypercritical given the context of the wording their or the and fighters deserve the Lions share. That was a disgraceful comment he made though when he told him to his face that he was making more for the fight than he was. Not something at all that should be gloated about.
Yeah he may be just doing his job and he may not be the only manager to do it but what he said was quite sycophantic - a paid sycophant.
Yes it would sell out because Frampton, Rigo would have nothing to do with it. If the fight happens I would think Frampton would make 80 % of the purse money if not more. Rigo will get mad thinking hes not being fairly compensated, than his fanboys will get confused because there always preaching about money not mattering.Rigo wants to be paid like a top fighter but nobody wants to pay to watch him.
Sure, why not, if it's a £3mil purse Rigo will take home £600k(his biggest ever payday). He'd be a fool to turn that down.
On the other hand why would Kiko and Avalos get more than 20% of the purse yet bring less to the table
In between the haters and idolizers there are going to be some people with egg on their faces. But the haters will keep hating and the idolizers will keep idolizing no matter what.
Golden Boy does have a deep stable but they are too cautious with their "stars".
I know Canelo is fighting Trout but Canelo demanded that fight not Golden Boy.
I don't know why people are suprised, Golden Boy and Haymon put on crap at HBO for years until Hershman took over.
as long as Showtime will buy appearance fights Golden Boy will put it out there and why not? they're in the business to make money and who doesn't like making easy money?
they'll only risk their investment if the payoff is worth it.
if fans stop watching mismatches then you won't be seeing them anymore.
I think GBP are going to be forced into putting on good shows from here on in to stay a major player much as Top rank have had to step their game up in the last 6 months or so.
No surprises here. Avalos had been mandatory for a while and had been chasing the fight, tired of waiting he fought for a IBF mandatory spot. Weighing up the options he's chosen to pursue the Frampton fight which will probably earn him double the money.
There was an article in Spanish a few days before the purse bid with one of the guys from Caribe saying how Top rank and Golden boy were going to be at the purse bid and were very interested in the fight though he was confident Caribe would win because they were putting in a big offer for the fight...............turns out no other promoters turned up and their offer was only 300k what a joke.
i dont know of any fighters walking around at the weight they fight at. its too difficult with touring and promotion to always be in the gym, totally different from the amateurs
I know fighters who do although most don't it's not surprising to me if he walks around at his fight night weight. He had done alot of touring and promoting before this photo taken
http://www.zimbio.com/pictures/IgIMzFb3mM7/Carl+Froch+God+of+War+event/faSSfgq9gG7
Being in the gym doesn't mean he is necessarily going to lose weight. If he is already at his optimum weight he'll just get fitter and more conditioned unless he is starving himself
SM has always been over-rated. I like him but he has flaws a well. He talks as if he's some boxing god or something. Cotto will be the best fighter he has ever fought. I cannot wait until June!!!!!!!!!!!!!
p4p maybe, not best middleweight
They took their weights on March 28 and their fighting April 27... you think that's less than a month from their fight?
most fighters cut at least 10-15 pounds a month removed from fight night, which doesn't say much about their fight night weight either.
Yes he is 170 less than a month before the fight - learn your maths
So Sergio is coming in fight night 155-160? ok
I bet he was about 170 30 days from the fight, the guy should really be calling out Ward. Do people on here not follow boxing very closely? I remember Hatton weighed 170 inbetween fights and Bradley says he weighed 185 a few months before his fight with Provodnikov, I guess they both should have fought at Light Heavyweight, never-mind that on fight night they typically weighed around 150.:pat:
No because they are not in fighting shape
No, I don't believe a guy who fights at 168 can walk around 172.So what does he put on weight during training camp? I don't know where this myth arose from but it's about as ridiculous as Floyd claiming he lost 4 pounds between the Cotto weigh-in and the day of the fight even though he refused to weigh-in fight night and no one knows how much he really weighed.
Why is it so hard to believe that he fights at his natural weight it's not as if he is fat and bulky between fights. Some fighters need to cut 20lbs for a fight some fighters don't need to cut any weight.