Comments Thread For: Froch Furious With Groves, Cleverly Over Kessler Help

Froch would kill Cleverly, at any weight. He seems like a nice guy, but Clev is not very good...he lost to Bellew IMO. __________________ Click this bar to view the full image. That's an opinion not really a great argument. Care to elaborate how?

Using your logic then, Cleverly would be around around rank 5 or 6 in the world rankings without these belts. Without these belts, why would Froch even consider fighting Cleverly? He wouldn't, so unfortunately we have to accept that these belts mean something. As you said, Cleverly should be upping his opposition at 175 rather than chasing Froch, whom is only a titlist at 168. Unless he goes down to 168, I don't see how Cleverly would get any credit for beating Froch at 175 simply because Froch is very very effective at 168 and has never been above the weight. ---------------------- Listen, Froch was calling Calzaghe out as British Champion and expected Calzaghe to fight him. Calzaghe mocked Froch and his worthless opposition at the time, Froch didn't like it. Now he's doing the same to Cleverly. So how are the two different in Froch's eyes, at least Cleverly hold's one of the 4 straps and offers Froch something to gain - another strap at another weight. I didn't like the way Calzaghe mocked Froch, I agreed with Calzaghe that he had far bigger fish to fry at that stage but thought he should have been moe respectful in the way he turned down Froch, end of. Of course the up and coming guy wants to fight the guy who's most recognised for status and cash. The difference right now between Froch calling out Calzaghe and Cleverly calling out Froch is there is a least a carrot on offer Froch if he takes the fight i.e he has something to gain if he wins. I was pointing out using your initial logic that Froch wouldn't have even been a Champion back in the old day of one belt. Cleverly isn't merely chasing Froch - he's offering a fight to him, Kessler, Hopkins and basically anyone else that wants a crack. Really - you don't think Cleverly gets 'any' credit if he beats Froch at 175? Froch is an established name with a lot of good names on his CV - and hard as nails, I grant you, Cleverly does not as much credit as beating Froch at a catchweight or 168 or if Froch comes up and proves himself at 175 first but, he still get good credit all the same. It will at least show Cleverly can mix with the elite of 168/175 and isn't just a paper champ as many are saying. Simply, the thing I don't like is - why should Froch run down Cleverly's oppo, when he doesn't want the fight - he could have been more respectful about it the same way Calzaghe should have been imo to Froch.

Froch would kill Cleverly, at any weight. He seems like a nice guy, but Clev is not very good...he lost to Bellew IMO.

See the thing is, it doesn't matter who or what is to blame for Cleverly's choice of opponents. The fact is, his resume is pretty darn terrible, hence he's not regarded as a true Champ, only a titlist. The best opponent in my opinion is Bellew, and that fight was either way - not a clear win. As Froch said before, Cleverly is a WBO Champion not a World Champion. Until proven otherwise of course. -------------------------- I'm not disputing what you say, but this hardly applies to Cleverly alone. Really, every strap holder of the 4 belts except the Ring is a titliist and not a World Champ, that includes Froch. In modern day boxing Froch wouldn't have been World Champ as he has never been no:1 or beaten the main man in the division - he's been the best of the rest, never the best of the best in his division. I agree Clev's oppo needs to improve but Cleverly is offering a fight to Froch/Kessler and is on record as offering Froch for a good while now. Cleverly seems to want the big fights and step up. All he's doing is asking Froch for a fight and has sparred Kessler. Why does Froch run Cleverly's opponents on the back of this, when he himself doesn't seem to want to fight him. All he has to say is Cleverly can spar who he likes it does't bother me and a fight with Cleverly is sometime away whilst I have bigger fish to fry and he proves himself against higher level oppo. Using your logic then, Cleverly would be around around rank 5 or 6 in the world rankings without these belts. Without these belts, why would Froch even consider fighting Cleverly? He wouldn't, so unfortunately we have to accept that these belts mean something. As you said, Cleverly should be upping his opposition at 175 rather than chasing Froch, whom is only a titlist at 168. Unless he goes down to 168, I don't see how Cleverly would get any credit for beating Froch at 175 simply because Froch is very very effective at 168 and has never been above the weight.

who cares who the sparring partners are? Froch's countrymen don't owe him a damn thing and it won't matter, Froch will beat Kessler again anyway Kessler got a hometown call the last time, Froch won it close this time Froch will beat his ass decisively Lol .. Froch landed a combined 19 shots the last 5 rounds. And a combined 79 throughout the fight. It was close, but a UD for Kessler was well deserved. He almost doubled Froch's punch output and specially in the last part of the fight he came on stronger. All you need to do is go back and watch the end of the 12th round. Froch's people were comforting him and put an arm around his neck. Kessler's people were celebrating. A fighter knows when he's been beat, and Froch knew it after the last bell.

Sorry, but Froch would beat Cleverly. ----------------------------------- I guess we'll agree to disagree on this one, and I do believe it would be close, but i have good reasons for believing Clev gets his hand raised. Doesn't look like its going to happen, certainly not anytime soon anyway.

I don't think UK fighters should feel any loyalty to each other. It's an individual sport at the end of the day and you have to do what's best for your own career. This. I'm tired of the nationalistic bullshit, these fighters don't owe Froch a damn thing.

So, they are getting in some good sparring and a decent paycheck from Kessler. Something they could've gotten from Froch, IF HE HAD HIRED THEM! I was on the fence before, but after this whining from Carl, I'm all for Kessler owning him in this fight.

Froch can say a lot of the right, nice, decent things at times. Hence I managed to like him a little now. Trouble is, I just don't believe what he says and as I think most don't. There's something likeable in facing anyone, but dislikeable about his personality which has led him to just not be taken well by the British public on the whole. How many British fighters or person in the UK business speak well of him? Very few. WHY?????

relax guys, Froch is just getting himself angry for the fight. It must be really hard to stay motivated for every pro fight you have, and Kessler seems like a really nice guy. I think Froch is just finding something to get worked up about that he can use in training to push himself. Exactly....but what would a Froch fight week be like without some extra verbal venom from the Cobra?!?...WAR FROCH!!! :lol1:

I don't think UK fighters should feel any loyalty to each other. It's an individual sport at the end of the day and you have to do what's best for your own career. That being said, if Groves' trainer is a friend of Froch's, and they share the same promoter, it's surprising that he's helping Kessler prepare for the fight. Would've expected Hearn to nix that idea as soon as he heard about it. Would be good to see Froch-Groves soon, you can tell there's a bit of needle there and it'd be a good fight while it lasted. Cleverley is supposed to be a world champion, bit sad that he's basically a sparring partner for someone. Then again maybe he took it as a learning experience as it'd be the first time he ever shared a ring with a world-class opponent. It's all a conspiracy, Groves will tell Froch what Kessler is working on.

relax guys, Froch is just getting himself angry for the fight. It must be really hard to stay motivated for every pro fight you have, and Kessler seems like a really nice guy. I think Froch is just finding something to get worked up about that he can use in training to push himself.

Screw Froch, when he called out Calzaghe and belittled him it was ok, he is the biggest hypocrite, and they wouldn't have made moves 4 him unless they thought he was beatable and a meal ticket, lol, Ward said he is soooooo slowwwwwwwww.

See the thing is, it doesn't matter who or what is to blame for Cleverly's choice of opponents. The fact is, his resume is pretty darn terrible, hence he's not regarded as a true Champ, only a titlist. The best opponent in my opinion is Bellew, and that fight was either way - not a clear win. As Froch said before, Cleverly is a WBO Champion not a World Champion. Until proven otherwise of course. -------------------------- I'm not disputing what you say, but this hardly applies to Cleverly alone. Really, every strap holder of the 4 belts except the Ring is a titliist and not a World Champ, that includes Froch. In modern day boxing Froch wouldn't have been World Champ as he has never been no:1 or beaten the main man in the division - he's been the best of the rest, never the best of the best in his division. I agree Clev's oppo needs to improve but Cleverly is offering a fight to Froch/Kessler and is on record as offering Froch for a good while now. Cleverly seems to want the big fights and step up. All he's doing is asking Froch for a fight and has sparred Kessler. Why does Froch run Cleverly's opponents on the back of this, when he himself doesn't seem to want to fight him. All he has to say is Cleverly can spar who he likes it does't bother me and a fight with Cleverly is sometime away whilst I have bigger fish to fry and he proves himself against higher level oppo.

who cares who the sparring partners are? Froch's countrymen don't owe him a damn thing and it won't matter, Froch will beat Kessler again anyway Kessler got a hometown call the last time, Froch won it close this time Froch will beat his ass decisively

CARL FROCH has branded *fellow Brits Nathan Cleverly and George Groves traitors for helping Mikkel Kessler prepare for next Saturday’s fight. The Cobra was stung by news that Groves and Cleverly have been sparring with Dane Kessler, ahead of the world super-middleweight title unification clash at London’s O2 Arena. Froch reckons WBO light-heavyweight champion Cleverly and Commonwealth super-middleweight title-holder Groves lack loyalty and class by getting Kessler ready for the biggest fight in the UK this year. Click Here To Read More] real talk!!...WAR FROCH!! :boxing:

He was trying to be humble after being robbed. He later went on to reveal the truth, that he has sufficient evidence that the referee was paid off and wasn't allowed to execute his gameplan. He was robbed that night, not for the first time and I doubt the last considering it seems judges don't like his defensive mastery. ------------------------ Brilliant, I was taking you seriously for 5 mins as well. Hats off to you sir, classic summing!

Who's your unbiased Pick anyway? Normally I'd say that Kessler is just the better boxer and should have no trouble with Froch. That was the general consensus before the s6. But Froch has shown that it's not a proper way to gauge his abilities. He more often than not seems destined to lose only to come up big. I'm picking Froch this time, rooting for him too. The exact opposite 3 years ago but Carl Froch's rollercoaster career of overachieving success (In everyone's mind but his own) has been too gripping to not become a fan. I think if it's remotely close then Froch will get the nod. I think Kessler's once chance of winning is getting the stoppage and I just don't see Froch getting stopped. I don't see anyone getting stoped. I expect a close fight. In a neutral venue I would consider it 50/50, maybe 60/40 Kessler but like I said I simply can't see Froch losing a decision in the UK. I'm going to the fight. Can't wait.

I'm a big Froch fan, but I can't fault those guys for getting work in against another top fighter and getting paid. Seems odd that they are supposed to back him simply because they are British.

Very reliable. But have no fear, I hear Kessler is pounding the life out of Groves and Cleverly. There's no shame at all in getting the business from D-MAC. He's notorious for snatching souls without breaking a sweat. Who's your unbiased Pick anyway? Normally I'd say that Kessler is just the better boxer and should have no trouble with Froch. That was the general consensus before the s6. But Froch has shown that it's not a proper way to gauge his abilities. He more often than not seems destined to lose only to come up big.