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Again just more proof that the Pacquiao fanatics have no interest in the fight. They just took this idiotic Morales thing and ran with it. They would rather spam photoshopped KFC buckets and talk about "Fraud Duckbeater scare of de pacmen" than actually see the fight happen. :rofl: I give them another day before they make some more crap up so they can continue spamming Floyd hate. This is funny to me, but genuinely true.

but when its someone else then its why should that person make it public how much he got paid, thats between him and the fighter that paid him, etc. LOL They may also have made Maidana's camp sign something stating they could not talk about the true amount of compensation. One of those "We will agree to X amount, but you can not mention it" type of contracts.

This is not t say that Pacquiao can't be knocked out. No boxer is invisible of being knock out. Even lewis, during his prime and appeared to be invincible, he got knocked out. However, Floyd cannot capitalize Pacquiao's knock out losses as evidenced that Pacquiao can be knocked out because the knockout losses in Pacquiao's resume are not legitimate knockouts. His first knock out loss was in the hands of countryman Torrecampo. Pacquiao during the fight was ordered to wear a heavier glove because despite of weight reduction, he was still overweight. In the process, he got knockout because he was weak and wearing a heavier glove. His second knockout came at the hands of a thailander during a championship fight in thailand. He was a flyweight champion then. Again, he was so overweight that despite reduction of any means they know, he came at the weight-in overweight, hence, he was strip of the title. He continue to fight anyway without bearing on his part but a belt for the thailander should the thai win. During the fight, he appeared very weak again and not in shape to fight because he was too drained. At the third round, it appeared he could no longer continue and drop himself by a single light punch and opted to be counted out. All such knockouts, to my opinion are not legitimate. And besides, Pacquiao then is different than the Pacquiao of today. Looks like he was trying to get up to me!!!! Try again! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jI6YKxR0dzs

51 pages and no one has any proof, that any of this is even remotely true.

there was no badmouthing in the pac marquez fight. But there was in the 3rd morales fight. So bad mouthing is the key now? LOL LOL

if someone claims in media repeatedly that YOU abuse young children, will you sue him? Floyd senior never stated for a fact that Manny was on steriods. He made claims like, "something's not right about this", and that he "thought" he could be using something. He is not making a claim based on any thing factual, nor is he saying it as if he has proof. I can not sue someone for giving their opinion on something if it's formed as such, an opinion. Now if he states, that he knows beyond a shadow of a doubt that Manny uses PED, different story. Say what you want, but if Manny was interested in proving him wrong on his opinions, IMO, he would submit to the random screening.

Like I said mate, none of those matter now. Yeah it's a business, but ain't that Floyd's foremost acumen? Easy fight, easy payday, didn't he said that? Wether Floyd deserves bigger coz he has the bigger PPV numbers or wether Pacquiao has the bigger fanbase outside US, none of those matter! Both need each other to generate the biggest and richest fight in history, and that IMO is what makes 50/50 reasonable for most fans who don't ride Floyd's dick 24/7. I try not to get caught up in all this purse split bullshit, because I just want to see the fight. Pac may very well have more fans worldwide, he is well respected and liked. But the fact of the matter is that Mayweather generates more revenue. That is a fact.

For me, Pac fighting Mosley in the first place is a bigger problem, than a catch weight. Mosley is obviously on the down side of his career, after his last two performances. Why is he being rewarded with this big fight, after two mediocer performances? Shane, as great as he once was, is obviously a bit long in the tooth. Perhaps if Manny was fighting more of a threat, at a catchweight...there would not be such outrage. At this point, he should not be fighting Mosley at ANY weight.

He is right. Nobody also Pacman can defeat Mayweather. With B-Hop, he is the king of the boxing world in all the weights. You have David Haye in your avatar and you are talking about Bhop is the King of all weight classes??? That does not belong in here! Somebody get this shit out here!:asshole:

How come every1 is assuming Roger is guilty without knowing all the details? Even floyd fans arent standing up for Roger? Does Roger have a history of doing these things? Maybe because it's not wise to take hard lines stances on an issue where you lack all the necessary facts. Does that answer your question?

Malignaggi was going to get knocked out so his corner threw in the towel. I don't have time to debate ignorant trolls/alts so I'm putting you on ignore now.:wave: Interesting, previously he knocked him out, then it was T.K.O, which you considered a knock out. Now Malignaggi " was going to get knocked out" and I am the ignorant one. You have more excuses and stories than an inmate on death row. Or maybe you are part of the Hatton camp, so excuses are second nature.:bottle:

The issue isn't about Floyd wearing Reyes or any punchers glove. It's about him demanding 10 oz gloves. Let them both pick what gloves they want. Besides Floyd is known to use 8 oz gloves, specifically in his last fight with Mosley. From what I understand, it was the type of glove (Reyes) and not the size. I could, very well be mistaken, but the type of glove was specified by Manny, for both fighters.

So why Floyd is not fighting them also? He should fight them 1st, coz pac already fought Cotto on his behalf. Because floyd is not campaigning at 154lbs for a title. And Cotto was not a 154lb champion, so how can he be "one of them"???????? Makes absolutely no sense.

this just show............how overrated floyds PPV number is................... 1.4 million buys, which would translate to about $77 million in revenue and make it the second-highest grossing non-heavyweight fight in pay-per-view history. What's over rated about that?

i agree he didnt take any body punches against cotto....... naaaaaaaaah http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jI6YKxR0dzs

You have no idea about boxing, you only have a small brain guy! Don't talk much.. In short: shut up!!! :mad: Don't sas me boy!! Stay on the topic! LOL

So I don't know boxing because it was reported that the Mayweather Vs Marquez fight only made 431,505 buys. I don't know boxing because if 100 people go to a bar and watch the fight they consider those 100 buys..... You don't have to be filipino to know Pacquiao is the most entertaining boxer in the world. Since HBOs numbers are public and easy to get do me a favor and fetch them for me and send them to me. Good Luck Here you go http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pay-per-view

Theres nothing wrong with my comment. If you think there is something wrong with my comment you must also think there is something wrong with PBFs flawed argument that Pac has lost before. What you call a flawed argument, some call a fact. Fact is that Pacman does have 3 loses, two by K.O. That in now way changes the fact, that this is a fight that most fight fans want to see. All of this can be settled in the ring between these two fighters. I give Floyd the edge, because of his counter punching ability, but it's still a competitive matchup. My guess is that Floyd completely dismantles and dominates Pac. The great thing is, no matter what order you have them in, it's still the two best fighters P4P in the ring together. I'm ready to see it, should be interesting.

If you look at MAYWEATHER you will find the same thing? Judah after a loss, Cotto after he was destroyed by Margs and Pac. Mosley after his only win in 4 years. Marquez moved up 2 or 3 weights. What's the difference? Yes promoters protect fighters at the early stages but Mayweather my friend is in his mid 30's. So what's the excuse? Miguel Cotto was 6 fights (record 5-1) removed from the Margarito loss when he fought Floyd. Not to mention one of those fights being a TKO victory in the Margarito rematch. Cotto had won 3 fights in a row, all 3 of them stoppages before facing Floyd. Mosley stopped Ricardo Mayorga in 2008, and Margarito in 2009, when Antonio was arguably the most feared fighter in that division. Then he fought Floyd in 2010, tell me how that was his only win in 4 years? In fact Mosley was 5-1 in the four year span leading up to Floyd (Vargas x2, Luis Collazo, Cotto-loss, Mayorga, Margarito). These are not hard facts to google and find out.

What else do else do you expect Mathew Hatton to say? He is a professional fighter, he is supposed to feel that way.

Someone needs to tell Floyd Jr. it's easy for him to remain undefeated when you never accept the best challenges in your weight class. As a welterweight, he never fought Cotto, Margarito, P. Williams, Shane Mosley, etc. He forced Ricky Hatton to move up to 147, forced JMM to 147 (didn't even try to make the catch weight that HE agreed upon). I am sorry but beating Zab Judah, Carlos Baldomir and Arturo Gatti at 147 doesn't make you a great welterweight champion.... He did not beat Arturo Gatti at 147. That fight took place at 140.

I'm sorry that's a bullsh*t reason for Floyd not to foght thsi year especially when his Dad is there incase. That is just an excuse for Floyd to try and justify not taking this fight when he was already talking about not taking this fight for other reasons(to spend time with his charity). This is bullsh*t to try and get out of fighting the rest of the year and try and sell the Roger situation as an excuse to the fans. Only one problem, nobody has heard Floyd say anything about Roger legal situation. Floyd/Ellerbee/Haymon, none of them have said anything about a legal situation keeping this fight from happening. Not that I am aware.

Not a good example because if Williams presented an opportunity for Pac at 154 would he take it? Pac is willing to move up to 154 and fight a relatively unknown fighter BUT not move up to 147 OFFICIALLY to fight Cotto and now Floyd? I think YOU have the blinders on because Floyd said tell Pac to holla! But he's not. Freddie says he wants the fight with Floyd to be in May and not March for Pac to heal properly and get ready for Floyd's style BUT now Pac has to run for elections? Didn't Pac say "I want to fight Floyd next"? Seems to me that Pac is trying to get around a fight with Floyd OR Arum and Roach are trying to avoid it? Because like BHOP said "Arum don't want to make the fight" Come on guys, it's SOOOOOOO obvious that they feel Floyd is a threat, why do you have to be a flomo, nuthugger or Etc..... to see it is what it is. I doubt highly that Floyd will fight Mathew Hatton if anything he is going to go for Shane (Like Bhop said with the inside scoop) PLUS it makes more sense considering after Berto, Shane will have mostly all the belts. Freddie Roach tells the truth so much but a lot of people on here try to disregard and not hear it to suit their opinions or arguments. Roach has already said that he has to make Pac see what he sees inorder for him to beat Floyd so in actuality Roach knows right now Manny can't win, FACTS. Very good points here.

Damn why can't people see that Pac has just gotten to WW recently and only two years ago was 130. How about letting the man get accumalated to fighting larger men than him. I honestly thought Cotto was too big as did 90% of the boxing community. Pac passes that test. Then he fought a guy in Clottey who rehydrates to the mid 160's....and passes with flying colors. Now he will be facing an Antonio Margartio who not only will be in the mid 160's and possible 170 on fight night, but is also 5-11 with a 73 reach advantage. Let Manny pass this test, then we can talk about him facing bigger guys like Williams and Martinez. I mean as amazing as Roy was in his prime, no one expected him to go to HW and fight the Lennox Lewis', Klitschko's and other huge HWs at the time. The fact that we hold Manny to these standards and not even legends like Roy is really a testiment to Pac's greatness. This argument would have more validity if Pac and Marg were fighting at welter weight. But they are not, he is moving up to 154 to fight a guy Paul Williams has beaten. Paul Williams wants to meet Pac where he currently resides, welter weight. To play devils advocate, if this was Mayweather....would you ask the boxing community to wait for him to get acclimated to the weight class. Come on dude, Pac is Champion at 147 pounds and people still feel like he needs crutch. If Pac will fight anybody, (which he will) why don't the REAL boxing fans support him in that. For the record, Pac is not afraid of Pwill...but his fans are. LOL!

I wonder if Roger and Floyd Sr. have any PR guys in place. This just further hurts the negotiations. *Space to Mayweathers*, "I am a boxing fan, and I want to see this fight, sooner rather than later". I wish all parties involved, except Shafer and Arum would keep their mouths closed publicly untill the fight is signed. Then make your statements. I don't have a dog in the hunt, but when roger says things like "We gonna find out what he got in his system, when these real doctors test him"??? Even if that is true, be professional/smart enough to keep it to yourself...sheez. That statement could very well be seen as a form of bullying by the Paq camp. Therefore substantiating there claims of being bullied. Just keep your mouths closed, do your jobs, and give the fans what they pay for.

Soupy is a ESPN fighter...without his belts, he is nothing. Judah, even though he is blown it time after time is a name and has main-evented more HBO shows than Soupy has. I just ask my co-worker who has HBO and is a casual fan who Judah was and she said "a boxer" and I asked her who Soupy was and she didn't have a clue. Soupy is old and bring nothing to the table....everyone at 140 is under 30....Soupy struggled with a 31 year old...he's not running nothing at 140. Who can get excited about a Soupy fight, I can count how many times he has been on a preminum cable network (HBO & Showtime) on 1 hand. He has 5 losses and zero value at the negotiation table, he bankrupt and long in the tooth. Judah is a loser himself but at least he's a NAME...and I'd rather fight a gatekeeper with a name (Judah) than a gatekeeper with no name (Soupy). Case in point, Soupy beat Diaz and yet Diaz career continues to prosper on TV while Soupy is filing for bankruptcy....he's nothing and HBO exec realized this. Ortiz, Peterson, Holt, Bradley, Alexander, Malingnigi, Artonitis, Urango, Alvarado....those boys are under 30 and will expose Soupy and I don't even want to bring up Manny and Ricky.....those two boys will murk Soupy in that ring, set his body on fire and bury his remains at sea. What's really interesting is how you choose to compare Campbell's career with Diaz. The same Diaz that Nate beat up pretty good, while taking his "0". Since losing to Campbell, Diaz is 1-1 while being knocked out in one of those outtings. Although he fought bravely, and gave it his all. Being knocked out is never a sign of prosperity in boxing. Not to mention he was fighting for the same titles that Campbell TOOK from him. You call this prosperity, all while ignoring the effort that Campbell displayed while taking Funeka's "0". Just because you have not heard of a fighter, in no way makes them a nobody (Funeka). It's quite possible that if Juan Guzman had stepped in the ring with Nate, his "0" would also be gone. Three undefeated fighters shut down is the way to ensure HBO invites you back.

A contract is just a bunch of papers unless all parties involved sign their name on the dotted line. All these news outlets were reporting the fight was a done deal because Maywaether signed and I'm thinkin "What the f'k??" Pretty Broke could've been asking for 70-30 on that contract, for all we know. If the devil tells you to sign a contract, you better read it first. That's all I'm saying.. Are you sure about that? I believe during the negotiation process, the percentages are just that, negotiated. The the contract is based upon the negotiated percentages. How would you have a signed contract with out the demands met of the signing partee?

It's from an interview, it's not like he's coming with the shit out of nowhere. I much rather prefer someone giving straight forward answers, than someone that giving a bunch of fluff bullshit answers. I think what he means, is that Roach has already referred to Floyd as somewhat easy work. I could very well be mistaken here, but that is what I recall. And Roach still thinks Manny can win, but without catch weights and a quicker than expected fight date. He feels the need to possibly do a bit of damage control. It feels like he is rope a dope in now, at least to me.

I've always felt the same way. Whatever they came from it's less than human. I don't think the Mayweathers will threaten the Kilitschko's status of intelligence and stability anytime soon. Are you talking about the same "Kilitschko" that was knocked out by Lamon Brewster? Or are you talking about "Kilitschko" that was knocked out by Corrie Saunders? Oh, you must be talking about the "Kilitschko" that said he was poisoned during that same loss? Is that the stability you are refering to? Or, are there other KLITSCHKO'S that you are refering to that are way more intelligent:beerchug:?

Not a problem newbie! You've never heard of a technical knock out (TKO) before? Well a TKO is considered a KO because you're unable to continue a fight for whatever reason, usually because a fighter has taken a beating and is no longer able to properly defend himself, so the fight is stopped and becomes a TKO. A knockout (also referred to as a K.O.) is a winning criterion in several full-contact combat sports, such as boxing, kickboxing, Muay Thai, mixed martial arts, Karate and others sports involving striking. A knockout is usually awarded when one participant is unable to rise from the canvas within a specified period of time, typically because of fatigue, injury (serious or temporarily incapacitating, e.g. a bleeding cut above the eye can blind a fighter), loss of balance, or unconsciousness; that is, the person may literally be knocked out. A technical knockout (also referred to as a T.K.O.) is often declared when the referee or other judges (such as official ring physician, the fighter, or the fighter's cornermen) decide that a fighter cannot continue the match, even though he did not fail the count, or, in many regions, a fighter has been knocked down three times in one round. British records refer to TKOs as either "retired", if the fighter refuses to continue, or "R.S.F.", for Referee Stopped Fight. In amateur boxing, a knockout is scored as "RSC," for Referee Stopped Contest. A technical knockout ("Outclassed") can also be declared if a fighter is ahead by 15 points in a bout. A pugilist who is regarded as a hard puncher, and who has racked up a high percentage of knockout victories, or especially spectacular knockouts, are referred to as knockout artists, because it is said "they make an art of knocking people unconscious".