In all honesty I think Farmer has those only 8 Ko’s cause he has no killer instinct
Shakur would run from those same shots
Shakur is a counter-puncher, those super precise left hands are going to be landing at will all night. Eventually he’s going to get clipped or hurt.
yea after seeing these 2 farmer fights…zepeda is target practice for shakur
Pretty much knew this for the longest. He’s a human-punching bag.. his defence is HORRIBLE!
Best chance he has is a punchers chance and to try and swarm Stevenson early like he didn’t Farmer
Well, Tevin farmer has 33 fights and only 8 kos. Shakur is actually a bigger puncher than farmer as shocking as that is
Yeah, I’ve seen enough to know Zepeda is going to keep getting hurt. I’d by SUPER surprised if SS doesn’t drop him or stop him. Unless Zepeda tightens up his defence
Styles make fights is a great example right here
Shakur will lose more fans beating a guy like Zepeda cause he will be on the run
Now if your into that sort of thing , all good but doesn’t look to good or worthy of mention
My reason to believe that Farmer could beat Shakur is cause he would hang in the pocket ( 8 Ko’s right ) and those styles , imo , mesh very well
Thé only way to know is for them to fight
But why do you think Farmer could beat Shakur in the pocket, like I don’t get it. He’s smaller, reflexes are slower, past his best, less pop, gets hit more vs a guy who has the best +/- in boxing?
Shakur wouldn’t lose fans, any fight Zepeda is going to be in will be action-packed.. he leaves you with no space in the ring. It’s just that Zepeda will have sharp lefts coming back at him. It’d be similar to the Valdez fight, just a little more entertaining. But Zepeda would still lose, probably get dropped on the way to a wide UD loss. Shakur will be forced to up his activity a slight bit. It’d be an exciting fight.
Farmer vs Shakur would be a snooze fest and he wouldn’t be able to do a single thing with Shakur, whatsoever. Stevenson is superior in every single category, there’s not a single thing Farmer does better... not one.
Tank vs Farmer would be a competitive fight though.
I wouldn’t say food cause Shakur has no power to keep Zepeda honest and away
Tell you what , I think Farmer would beat Shakur
You think Farmer would beat Shakur? Why. A dude that lost pretty clearly to JoJo Diaz at 130?
Farmer is talented, but flat-footed fighters with zero head-movement or countering clearly favour his style.
JoJo isn't as flat footed as Zepeda and had head movement, with sneaky counters. Even though Zepeda beat JoJo. Zepeda struggled against Farmer more than JoJo did. Classic styles make fights.
Shakur would just walk Farmer down, imo. It’d look similar to the Robson Conceicao fight.
Not interested.
Although I admit that Stevenson has a great skill set. His style is not my cup of tea.
Throw shots at me , call me a hater or even the scary " R word ".
But nah.
I'll wait until someone on here posts that Stevenson was in a Exciting fight.
Then i'll watch the replay.
Yoshino - 60% power punches landed, two KDS and a KO
Conceiao - KD and stayed in the pocket enforcing the action all fight.
Past two fights were very exciting. I don’t know you, but you may have some bias.
Bivol desperately needs a stoppage.
his career trajectory is Paulie Malignaggi atm
Hasn’t had a stoppage in like 8 fights.. I can’t even remember last time he had a knockdown
Well I am not rooting against it since if he can make weight, but both Pernell Whitaker and Roberto Duran mostly had light frames during their lightweight career and then bulked up after they moved up.
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Also they are likely pointing out that Devin Haney is the physically biggest lightweight at the current time and having had a bad weight cut in his last bout isn't a good look. By the way Ryan rehydrated up to 154 pounds against Fortuna and Devin rehydrated up to 159 pounds in the rematch with Kambosos if I recall correctly. Also, Teofimo rehydrated up to 147 pounds against Lomachenko. As for the rest I am not sure.
Definitely isn't anywhere near physically the biggest. Commey, Ryan, Keyshawn to name a few are 'physically' bigger, but it means nothing. Teo was bigger than Haney was at 135, hence why he couldn't remain at the weight, heck Teo said in 2020 he'll be at 147 in the near future. Haney wasn't 159 pounds against Kambosos :lol1: I'll challenge you for a source, sh*t find me a source where/when Haney rehydrates to 155+?
4 weeks before the Linares fight he got on the scales and he was 144lbs, he stays in great shape. Can't criticise a guy because he 'looks physically bigger' - might as well argue with his parents and genetics. Makes no sense, shouldn't receive an ounce of criticism.
When you get buzzed from probing shots then run-n-hug like this for 2-3 rounds after and unable to recover, you got problems. Do you even watch Haney fight or like?
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Ohhhh.. I understand. You wanted him to stand there and get knocked out? I can tell you’ve never stepped in the ring before. Also.. looked like he recovered pretty fine to me. Now Ryan Garcia.. that’s a chinny fighter!
It's not necessarily that he's super chinny, but being bothered multiples times by light punching Diaz isn't a great sign. And there's probably a reason he holds so much.
Floyd held a-lot too. So did Ward & Hopkins.
I definitely disagree with that. There was a reason why we used to have same-day weigh-ins. It's due to increased weight creating (1) greater punch power and (2) greater punch resistance. It's just the way physics work, and surprisingly, a little increase in weight goes a long way.
Andy Bowen, Daniel Marshall, tosh Powell, Frankie Campbell, Ernie Schaff, jack Holland, tiny scrapie, tony Marino, Peter asero, jimmy doyle to name a few. & the Korean fighter that fought Mancini. They are why same-day weigh ins stopped. People died.
It was very dangerous because boxers would try to cut a lot of weight, and without proper rehydration, you're at a greater risk for brain damage.
A fully rehydrated boxer is like having an egg in a glass of water. Shake the glass, the egg won't break. A dehydrated boxer's brain is an egg in an empty glass.
When you drain your body of all fluids, the fluids (mostly water) around your brain, that protects it, is dehydrated as well.
I don’t know about best but I really want to see Artur and Bivol before Artur is too far past it. Tank and Ryan should be one hell of a scrap as well. Obviously, everyone wants to see Bud and Spence before that turns into the next Mayweather vs Pac. The Monster’s next fight should be intriguing as well.
Losing interest, Beterbiev is 39 years old next year
Morrell ain't legacy fight. He is 9-0 dangerous prospect.
Nahh.. he’s about the same level as rest of the 168 pound contenders who haven’t really beaten anyone.
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Yet Haney made weight just fine against Kambosos, it was actually Kambosos that missed weight.
I am not talking about skill level. Beating Morrell wouldn't be so effective on Canelo's ATG rank.
Bivol and Beterbiev would. Skill+belts matter.
Oh I agree.. those are the biggest fights. But not necessarily the best in my eyes. Bivol-Beterbiev needs to happen this year.. Beterbiev is 39 next year.. those dudes are gonna be extinct soon.
Well none of us know what the future holds. If Morrell goes on to be the best in the division and have a better career than Benavidez (which is possible) it’d definitely boost Canelo’s ATG rank. I don’t think Canelo beats either guy though, the task at hand is a little too big.
There is a reason why he is clinching expert and ducking almost into canvas (way below waist line level) against punches.
Tank KOs him. Shakur outboxes him. Loma still has a chance to beat him.
Loma ain’t beating zilch.
Shakur’s the most gifted fighter in the world & Tank probably the biggest puncher in boxing. Who knows. Tank didn’t call him out once though.
In these specific scenarios I would rather be Lopez. Lopez got flash KD’ed, got up, and didn’t appear to be hurt.
Haney was punched by Linares and basically stumbled around the ring like a drunk for 3 rounds while also amusingly and blatantly hugging Linares. He looked like a damn fool in there after 1 punch.
To add insult to injury, Haney is bigger than Linares. Haney is a big LW and looked like THAT with one punch from an average puncher.
Why would you rather be Lopez? If you get dropped twice you lose two 10-8 rounds.
I definitely disagree with that. There was a reason why we used to have same-day weigh-ins. It's due to increased weight creating (1) greater punch power and (2) greater punch resistance. It's just the way physics work, and surprisingly, a little increase in weight goes a long way. There's a reason why Garcia, Haney and some others shrink themselves to fight at a lower weight than they should be fighting at, and it's in large part because of the inherent advantage you gain. You will usually have the greater reach, height and weight over the opponent. This is how you learn your craft and have as little risk as possible.
There's a science to shrinking yourself now. People have it down so that it's a science. Haney can safely make himself look like an extra in the Walking Dead and fight the next day. People couldn't do this in the past except by starvation, saunas and sweatsuits. Back when Duran would blow up, he'd have to lose that and fight on the same day. He likely lost to Leonard because of this, as well as the Puerto Rican guy, Wilfredo Benitez.
We all inherently know that when you get in a fight, you'd prefer to not have to fight someone who's bigger than yourself. It's instinctual because we know intuitively that we're at a disadvantage.
Weighing 10 pounds more than your opponent is not something anyone should dismiss. Ask a wrestler about fighting guys outside his weight class. They'll give you a good explanation as to the difference and how they're at a disadvantage. Anyone in combat sports knows.
I think you're missing the point of the post. Virtually everyone at 135 rehydrates 10+ - singling & cherry-picking one or two names to fulfil an agenda is the issue. 90% of fighters in boxing rehydrate 10lbs+
Legacy: Canelo vs Bivol 2, Canelo vs Beterbiev, Inoue vs Fulton, Fury vs Usyk
Fun: Fury vs Joshua, Wilder vs Joshua, Canelo vs Bumavidez
Chess match: Canelo vs Bivol 2, Haney vs Loma
Canelo-Berb? That’s a super mismatch! Canelo-Bivol is another one sided fight too. Canelo - Benavidez, Canelo - Morrell way better fights.
I can't say he is chinny. But Teos was a flash knockdown he wasn't hurt. Haney wobbled to his corner in the Linares fight so was more hurt there then ive seen Teo hurt. Flash knockdowns are ones where they fall and straight back up and not hurt or off balance so i don't read too much into them type of knockdowns like Teos or Ryan against Campbell or Thurman against Pacquiao those knockdown don't tell me anything about their chin. It's when seeing a fighter off balance and not regained their composure that does. With Haney if you watch he did get hurt and that is why he was going for that weird straight up hug and then hobbled to his corner off balance. Not saying that makes him chinny just comparing how Haney looked more hurt there
I hear you. Teo got stopped twice in sparring by Rayo. got dropped twice against Martin too, who doesn't have any power. Linares hit Haney with a good shot.. but that was a few years ago, some fans just hold dearly onto thing's. Floyd got buzzed against Maidana at the end in the 3rd of the rematch.. people somehow thought Pac would shake Floyd up because of this.
It just depend on what fan you are speaking with........
I asked the same thing about Shawn Porter and Crawford..... some fans question Crawford's chin because he got buzzed by an undefeated Gamboa back when but was 135lbs moving up to 140 and when he got hit clean vs Edgijus Kavaliauskas, who is a solid puncher..... But no one questioned Shawn Porter's chin. They actual said the opposite claiming "he comes to fight" when he was dropped by Adrien Broner and Errol Spence Jr. and was hurt twice by Yordenis Ugas.....
Certain fans will change the narrative and move the goal posts depending on the Man they love......nothing to stress over.
Truth is, there isn't a fighter at this level that hasn't been buzz and/or effected by a clean shot in their career..... From Floyd to Canelo to Loma to Crawford to whoever...... It's boxing.....you are going to get punched and being that you are human, it just might hurt.....it's about what you do after you've gotten punched that matters.
Crawford & Porter is a perfect example! Fans are just fickle.
Would love to see Haney fight Subriel Matias to see where his heart and chin are at?
Matias is a wrecking ball. I don’t think Prograis who is a warrior wants any problem with that
He fought much smaller Kambosos and will fight even smaller Loma who have average punch power.
He is ducking hard punchers. Also, he got rocked before. That's why.
Loma stopped Nakhatani, Linares & had Commey spent. Now all of a sudden he has average power when Haney is fighting him.. interesting :rolleyes: - What hard punchers is Haney ducking? :lol1::lol1::lol1: ffs
I wouldn't exactly call him a weight bully, only because he lacks punching power. But if you saw his face at his last weigh in, he clearly cuts a lot of weight., as most of the LW division does. But his body won't allow him to stay at 135 much longer.
Agreed. In general a weight bully is a fighter that is notably bigger than everyone in the division.. not a guy that is a similar size to almost everyone in that weight class.
Hence why every lightweight goes up to 140 and beyond.
Mauricio Sulaiman in the video (1:00) had mentioned that Devin had rehydrated 24 pounds weight in a heated argument with Bill Haney, don't pay mind to the youtuber though he is overreacting and baiting for views like plenty of the boxing media.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T5_MchhxWok
Also Teo might be stockier in terms of physique but in overall size:
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Yeah, that's nonsense. Do you believe Loma requested the franchise belt? He said he didn't.. but Sulamain said he did. Spence said he dropped 25 pounds..does that mean he needs to be fighting at 160/168?
What a stupid question. You obviously have no observation skills. Some of teos knockdown were flash knockdown if not all. Haney got rocked by a guy who isn't known to be a big puncher and was hugging for dear life the rest of the fight cause he obviously was still shook
Linares wasn't known to be a big puncher & put Loma as well as Luke Campbell on his ass.. lol, sorry for breaking a false-narrative. I'd rather dominate a fighter for 10 rounds and get rocked then lose a 10-8 round. That's just me though.. I'm not a armchair casual, I know what actually matters in a 'fight'.
A flash-knockdown just means a guy recovers quickly, doesn't mean he isn't a little 'chinny'.
However getting dropped twice by a guy with a 30% ratio that has never scored a KD or stoppage against anyone in the top 100 or outside Spain is worrying. Josh Taylor is going to test that chin again.
Because he took three rounds to recover from being hurt.
That's a good thing. Some fighters never would've recovered.. some fans have a weird infatuation with Haney.