Ali was praised for winning at the old age of 32.anf forman was a formidable 220lb wrecking ball.yet vitali is 40 ,6'7 and has a higher ko ratio than anyone but mention him in the same league and apparently its laughable.foremans skills where ameture at best.vitali is virtually unbeatable h2h in history of boxing and has inly ever lost on injuries while ahead on all cards
Spot on :)
Vk is excellent defensively.his style is as awkward as they come.haye is quick though and vk leaves more openings than his brother.vk wins for me but haye has a better chance than anyone else
Floyd is not goat and its his own fault because he didnt fight certain fights that he would have won anyway that would have given him an argument.but h2h he is unbeatable from sfw thru welter bsrring maybe hearns
Pactard alt or by very slim margins 12 year old flomo...
I hate mayweather but youve just git to take him for what he is.a master boxer.no bixer ever has taken as little punishment in the ring as floyd.he has gone up what 5/6 weights and still no one can get near him. Even the likes if whittaker had to take their kumps at times.not floyd when have you ever seen him caught flush a few times in a fught even ? Never.im a big manny fan but i dont like his chances against floyd.
Of the top of my head, La Motta, Armstrong, Maxim, Turpin, Fulmer and Basillo.
And he schooled Pep in the amateurs, a superior defensive fighter than Mayweather.
He wasnt better than floyd defensively just looked great against far inferior fighters than floyd is humiliating at the age of 35 after a year and a half out of the ring
I was so impressed by vitali at teh weigh in. for a 40y old, he look is amazing shape for his fight. it puts in perspectivr to other heavyweight challengers especially from states like chambers, arreola, toney, rahman, austin, briggs, who are all in pretty awful shape. even likes of solis, tyson fury, all carry alot of fat.
Vitali were basically fat free yesterday.
he will probably fight Haye and Valuev then retire.
that being said even if any heavyweight today came in in the best possible shape they wouldnt be a match for the k brothers
Calzaghe top 20 ATG?
SMH and sadly too!
He was a good fighter who could do a bit of everything but cmon man, are you serious? Top 20? You gotta be fukking kidding me. I honestly think that any boxing historian who isnt from the UK would laugh at you out loud and probably point at you too while laughing.
Calzaghe being in the top 20 is as ridiculous as other idiots trying to convince me that Floyd and Pac are better than Sugar Ray Robinson.
Yes being white from the uk probably did knock him down a few places. The klitschko' are having the same problem now,if they where african american they would be high on the atg list
are you seriously comparing joe "i dont want tough fights"(actual quote) calzaghe to joe louis? louis fought almost every top fighter in the world for over 12 years(cept when he was in the army). he fought 20 title fights against top 10 ring rated fighters and a bunch more on his way to the title. he beat the linear champ and the top 3 contenders his first year as champ. as champ 90 percent of the time louis was fighting highly ranked fighters. most of the time calzaghe wasn't(8 out of 21). he never fought a ranked fighter to get a title shot and while champ he never even fought the number 1/2 guy(sven ottke) for most of his time at super middle.
Louis dominated a **** erain boxing as did calzaghe, but when calzaghe had to step up to the plate against the elitee he won hands down.hopkins is still winning titles 3 years down the line and has been unbeaten since.plus the fact jc tried to make fights with hopkins jones and pavlik but all turned him down,so not his fault if the so called best refuse to fight him
Louis is atg but i bet you say klitschko isnt because the division is weak today yet the likes of tony galento where world class.
Calzaghe rates highly
maybe 100 but not 20.
ppl will slate jc's resume but will put joe louis up there.look at his and anyone elses record from that time.ppl fought hundred and odd fights because they where fighting substandard opposition 90 percent of the time
Holmes was no doubt past his very peak but he would beat anyone today barring the klis and i think hed have a far better chance against the klits than he did against tyson
Tyson didn't rate it high...in the post fight talk he said he wouldn't have stood a chance against Holmes in his prime.....dudes forget how classy Mike was!!
i dont think it was to do with tyson not rating it highly but more to do with being humble in victory.he had respect for holmes, but also didnt like the beating he gave his idol ali
undefeated is a reason why he isn't a top 20 atg.
Anyone who fought fighters great enough to get a top 20 spot will never be undefeated.
And joe calzaghe beat 2 top 50 atg's yes.....shame one of them completely shot and the other one was heading toward his mid-40's.
He's not top 100. Why?
A combination of a very weak resume and a vast amount of great fighters he's competing with who accomplished alot more.
and the one in his mid 40's is still going and unbeaten since winning more world titles
Vitali would do fine, not dominate, but his size and skills and will to fight would give him a good shot against any HW at any time, Wlad will never have his brothers chin a young fearless Tyson would spark him out, and many other prime HW would as well, Vitali top 10 all time Wlad top 25
I agree that vk is better equiped than wk but both are top 10 easily.especially h2h
Calzaghe has gota be an atg, the guy is so under rated, got be in the top 50 even if you dont like him.
not even close
calzaghe is top 200 along with sven ottke
The thing is ottke lost on more than one occssion only to be gifted outrageous decisiond.calzaghe beat everyman he fought legitimately and beat better opposition
i can name at least 50 other guys better than him who have done the same thing, aside from maybe the undefeated record. But his record was padded with lots of cab drivers. And the jones fight was a joke.
bradley number 1 ????
No mayweather
you talk nonesense