Abraham could stop him at any stage, one decent clean shot and its all over imo.
The thing is though, Direll is a slippery bastard, he has great reflexes, i think it might not be a bad idea to concentrate on his body, because he is great at avoiding head shots, the body though? im not so sure.
In the Froch fight, I remember him using his defense off the ropes and doing a great job of avoiding Froch's body punches. Abraham is a lot different from Froch, though. I remember some of the body punches that Abraham landed on Taylor and you could just tell they hurt badly.
Dirrell's been down and hurt before so I think he needs to be fully focussed. He needs to run, potshot and don't get into any type of exchanges.
The thing is Im not even BIG on either of them. Kessler just looks so stiff. Hes very mediocre.
Martinez is at least a good fast counter puncher.
While he might look stiff, he definitely has better technical skills than Martinez. You haven't argued with anything to prove he doesn't.
The reason Martinez had some success against Williams was because he could counter-punch with the right hook. It was against the same Williams who got beat by Quintana with the right hook counter punch.
he annoys quite a few fighters. It's gotten to the point where I think someone will indeed hit him.
honestly I dont think he realizes how bad his questions come off
there was a point when JMM had his open workout for his fight with Mayweather and he kept asking JMM's interpeter to ask him what JMM's thoughts about Jewish boxers and boxing. The interpeter didn't but he gave in and JMM looked at him like "wtf?"
I saw the Marquez open workout interview but didn't hear that question. Is it in a separate video?
He'll be remembered as an all-time great. His skills were amazing in his prime and I think there's only a few men who would have a chance at beating him.
His resume is excellent, IMO. He's got wins over Hopkins, Toney, McCallum, Tarver, Ruiz and Trinidad.
He's a true all-time great fighter.
The debate is, is Martinez BETTER then Kessler. I dont think many can argue that he isnt.
I can argue that. Kessler has a lot more technical skills than Martinez. Anyone who watches both of them fight can see that.
I know some people might be on the Martinez bandwagon because of his latest performance against Williams. But really, it was a perfect fight for Martinez. He was able to counter Williams, much like Quintana did, because he was a southpaw and he was good with the right hook. That's basically it.
Kessler, on the other hand, has better boxing fundamentals than Martinez. He uses the jab and the right hand better and has more power in his punches.
On the real, Sergio Martinez is better then anyone on Calzaghe's resume. If we're talking about accomplishments and stuff, I can understand that...but beating Sergio Martinez is alot tougher then beating anyone Calzaghe did, especially considering the fact that Kessler wasn't really all that/ B-Hop was 43.
That's absolutely ridiculous. Who has Martinez really beat to even compare to Kessler or Hopkins?
Even if Kessler wasn't all that, he still fought and beat better competition than Martinez did. And Hopkins was one of the top 5 P4P fighters in the world, when Calzaghe fought him.
Martinez is better at creating angles, moving in and out of range, slipping punches and counter punching. He's also tougher, quicker and has better footwork.
A lot of the things listed there involve defense and I would agree with you on that. Martinez has the better defensive abilities.
The counter punching topic is debatable. Martinez really only counters good with the right hand and Kessler uses both pretty good.
As for toughness, I wouldn give Kessler the edge on that. Martinez has been knocked out before and you can't say the same about Kessler.
The better footwork theory is also debatable. Although Martinez does move around a lot more than Kessler, he can be off balance a lot causing knockdowns. Kessler hasn't been knocked down before.
Yeah Mikkel's a pretty competant counter-puncher but I don't think his reflexes are quite as sharp as Martinez's and nor is his eye for the openings in my opinion.
I think Martinez' counter punching ability is based on reflexes and Kessler's is based on technicality. It depends on which one you favor. That's why I said it's debatable.
I kind of meant mental toughness more than physical durability. As a recent example I feel Kessler would've folded if placed in a fight of the intensity Sergio's fight with Williams was.
I wouldn't agree with you on that.
If you saw Kessler's last fight against Ward, you can tell that he never wanted to quit. Even though he had some pretty bad cuts that affected his vision.
He also kept coming at Ward, despite being heavily behind on the scorecards.
Kessler mostly moves in straight lines though, and I find he's not very intuitive as to when and where to move.
The thing about his footwork that separates him from Martinez is his balance. Even when he's got hit with some hard shots, he's always managed to stay up and I credit that to his balance.
In the end, his footwork isn't as quick as Martinez' but it's more balanced and straight-lined.
Martinez is a better fighter then Kessler. Kessler is stiff, he doesnt move his head, he has bad foot work, hes soft, his power is overrated, hes easy to hit, he doesnt have a good inside game. I mean hes not that good. He cant adjust in the ring. He doesnt cut off the ring. I honestly dont know what you see in him. Power? He beat up on Andrade with flush bombs and didnt put one dent in him.
Now before you say "he has a great chin". His body turned out to be not so good vs. Bute. Kessler wouldve figured that out of he had smarts, great skills and a gameplan.
Standing str8 up like a stiff robot getting punched in the face does nothing for me. Especially when compared to a fast slick counter puncher like Martinez.
Does the "stiffness" really affect him that much, though?
The no head movement, bad footwork, easy to hit and softness theories don't really work, since he's never been knocked down or knocked out in his career. All of those things are involved in knockdowns and knockouts.
His power must be so overrated that he's managed to win most of his championship fights by knockout. Gee..
As for the other things, you're basically trying to make him seem like the perfect fighter that you would imagine in your head. Sorry, but not all fighters are a template of your imagination. That's like saying Henry Armstrong wasn't a good fighter because he didn't have good defense.
It doesn't work like that.
I'm still waiting for you to list all the technical things Martinez does better than Kessler.
Light heavyweight would be too high for him.
If he couldn't take the punches from guys at middleweight and super middleweight then I don't think he'll do any better against the guys at light heavyweight.
Dirrell's trainer: Keep working, baby!
Some security guy: Not too loud, okay? Not too loud.
Dirrell's trainer: That ain't loud.
I don't know what was up with that.
No.
It would be incredibly hypocritical if they denied Jones a license while other guys who get knocked out on a very regular basis are allowed to fight. One rule for all. You can't just ban Jones on the basis that he used to be great.
I agree. I'd still like to see Jones retire, though.
Oh you are preaching to the choir.Any southpaw would make Williams struggle. I dont know Im just not big on him.
I'm just debating, like you wanted to. You started the convo with me. Not the other way around.
In the end, you haven't proven why Martinez is a more skilled fighter than Kessler. Just that you're not "big" on him.
If I am correct in my deduction his source is Sara Fina who works for him AND Gary Shaw so if anyone would know it would be her
Well then my hope is gone.
A very good fighter that tends to get overrated.
His lack of fighting top 10 opposition hurts his legacy dearly.
I will admit, though, that he's probably the greatest super middleweight of all-time.