Pacquiao is Henry Armstrong in this era, who is PBF?

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It's not hate. It's the hate for "fans" like you guys that try to throw around double standards and act like it's okay because Pacquiao is ATG, blah blah blah. I don't know what's that about on your sig. I didn't make the statement "Pacquiao is the Henry Armstrong of our generation", Merchant did. Don't believe me? Look: I don't know how you define Pactard, but if a Pactard is someone who just backs up Pacquiao even with the wrong reasons, I am not one. I really don't take a side and in fact, I like Mayweather. How about that?!

LMMFAO who gives a f#ck about what Larry Merchant has to say!!!

Then disprove my points instead of just flaming with your responses. Who at 126 was better than Barrera when pac beat him? who at 130 was better than Marquez when pac beat him? Who at 140 was better than Hatton when pac beat him who at 147 was better than Cotto when Pac beat him? Why hasn't anyone of you guys presented any good counter arguements. Fact is, outside of Diaz at LW, Pac has constentatly faced the best guys at each division (just like Armstrong). Pac became the man (by beating the best fighter in 3 different division) in the span of 2 years just like armstrong.(lineal champ Barrera at 126, lineal champ Hatton at 140, Top 3 WW in Cotto). \ Is Armstrong greater than pac and higher on the ATG list.....absolutely, and I never even debated that. Did Armstrong beat the man at 126, LW and WW....absolutely and he gets full credit (esp. from me sinc eI am a fan) But the fact is this: Armstrong establish himself as an elite fighter at 126 and rose all the way up to establish himself as an elite fighter at 147 Pacquiao establish himself as an elite fighter at 112 and rose all the way up to establish himself as an elite fighter at 147 also. I threw out the division arguement from the jump because it's not fair to armstrong. So my stance has always been what is more impressive 126-147 or 112-147? This is why I say Pac's rise up in weight classes has been more impressive. This has nothing to do with who is the better fighter. I mean I can't dumb it down anymore than that for you and greatshark. I mean Im really starting to question you guys reading comprehension skills. FWIW pac fought the Man at 112 and 122 also...just incase you try to come in that he cherry picked his title at those weight classes. I dunno. I don't think simply getting bigger is anything to brag about. What you achieve while you are at the higher weights is what's important. And while Pacquiao has clearly accomplished a great deal (enough to be top 25-ish all time in my view), his accomplishments are still not as good as Armstrong's were. So I'd say Armstrong's rise in weight was more impressive.

Floyd is a hybrid of Sugar Ray Leonard and Pernell Whitaker. He beats Mosley, and Manny he can make his case for being better then them. A win vs PW wouldn't hut ether.

yeah right. but saying Floyd is greater than SRR is respectful huh? shit Floyd is not even on Pac's level then flomos would claim he's the GOAT. Shaddap..:boxing:

I mean the due said flat out that what Pac has done is MORE impressive then what Armstrong did. Not even acknowledging the fact that Henry didnt have the luxury of picking the champ he wanted to fight. He had to fight THEE guy. Then disprove my points instead of just flaming with your responses. Who at 126 was better than Barrera when pac beat him? who at 130 was better than Marquez when pac beat him? Who at 140 was better than Hatton when pac beat him who at 147 was better than Cotto when Pac beat him? Why hasn't anyone of you guys presented any good counter arguements. Fact is, outside of Diaz at LW, Pac has constentatly faced the best guys at each division (just like Armstrong). Pac became the man (by beating the best fighter in 3 different division) in the span of 2 years just like armstrong.(lineal champ Barrera at 126, lineal champ Hatton at 140, Top 3 WW in Cotto). \ Is Armstrong greater than pac and higher on the ATG list.....absolutely, and I never even debated that. Did Armstrong beat the man at 126, LW and WW....absolutely and he gets full credit (esp. from me sinc eI am a fan) But the fact is this: Armstrong establish himself as an elite fighter at 126 and rose all the way up to establish himself as an elite fighter at 147 Pacquiao establish himself as an elite fighter at 112 and rose all the way up to establish himself as an elite fighter at 147 also. I threw out the division arguement from the jump because it's not fair to armstrong. So my stance has always been what is more impressive 126-147 or 112-147? This is why I say Pac's rise up in weight classes has been more impressive. This has nothing to do with who is the better fighter. I mean I can't dumb it down anymore than that for you and greatshark. I mean Im really starting to question you guys reading comprehension skills. FWIW pac fought the Man at 112 and 122 also...just incase you try to come in that he cherry picked his title at those weight classes.

It's not hate. It's the hate for "fans" like you guys that try to throw around double standards and act like it's okay because Pacquiao is ATG, blah blah blah. what double standards? you guys constantly talk sh!t, yet no one has even gave an intelligent response back to anything I have stated. If I'm that wrong, why don't you guys give a good counter argument? The only thing I have heard from you is I'm a "pactard" which is the typical generic reply Floyd fans use on pacfans. I'm done arguing with you. I only debate with people who can actually respond with facts.

My question is, "Is Henry Armstrong the Pacquiao of his era?" What if pacquiao preceeded armstrong?

What the hell does Williams have to do with Pac? How do you know Williams cant make himself an ATG? It has everything to do with your hate for Pacquiao. I've seen enough of you and your post to know why you post the way you do. Does my last comment have anything to do with this thread....not really. Does my last comment have everything to do with your hate for Pacquiao......absolutely.

I'm off to bed....but basically I understand your hate for Pacquiao burner. Your just mad because he is everything you want Pwilliams to be. Pac is a ATG, something Paul Williams will never be. That alone fukks with you, so you say and post whatever it takes to try and discredit anything Pac has or will do. Again I understand the hate and I know deep down inside your more of a Manny Pacquiao fan that all of us so-called "Pactards" combined.

http://thebsreport.files.wordpress.com/2009/12/pot-calling-the-kettle-black-734818.jpg talking about yourself??? :rofl:

If Mosley beats Floyd then he should fight him. If you cant see the difference in 2 years and one fight you need help. what does it matter, a win is a win. Why are you trying to discredit Cotto's win over Mosley? It's always an excuse with you burner.

Well at this level (Forums) it doesnt matter. But the Board for RING have discussed this before Marg-Mosley. And their decision was. The belt wont be on the line because the winner wont clearly and unquestionably be number 1 at Welter because of Mosley's Loss to Cotto and Cotto's superior welter list againts Mosley. I do agree however than Mosley has the better claim because of the Marg KO. but it is clearly debatable. my point exactly. There hasnt been a clear #1 WW in a long time (even know there isn't). So when you consider your choice comes down to two fighters...Cotto or Mosley, why are people mad and try to flame that Pac faces the winner of the head to head battle. To give you guys another example....I like Judah back in the day also. Judah vs May had been in talks for a while but Judah lost to Baldomir. So when Floyd faced the winner I never once knocked him. I always say if it comes down to two opponent and both had faced each other before, you always go for the winner of the head to head battle. There are countless examples of this in boxing.

Mosley. Cotto was ruined after Margarito, looked mediocre against Jennings a shit fighter and looked worse against Clottey. Mosley beat Margarito and Pacquiao could've fought him but his master Roach said he didn't want him to fight Mosley at the time. So will you have any problems if Pac faces Mosley this fall? Just curious, because this is the fight that I'm praying for. BTW I know your a Floyd fan so just to let you know I have given up on any hope of Pac vs May. I could go into detail but that is another animal in itself.

No. Why don't you guys answer my question. Pac only had two options at the time Cotto or Mosley. Who would you choose if you were Pacquiao? The winner or the loser of the head to head match between the two? Considering the fact that Cotto was coming off a not so good performance against Clottey and many had him losing (Like myself), I'd of taken on Mosley. Mosley destroyed Margarito (The man at WW) and on top of that...gave a really good account of himself against Cotto. I'd of easily picked Mosley.

Don't bring up that garbage man, be real dude. You and I know that Cotto was a different animal. Anyway, I don't have a problem with Pacquiao having faced Cotto but Mosley was the more respectable opponent, Mosley beat the man (Margarito). Not that any of this matters. Well at this level (Forums) it doesnt matter. But the Board for RING have discussed this before Marg-Mosley. And their decision was. The belt wont be on the line because the winner wont clearly and unquestionably be number 1 at Welter because of Mosley's Loss to Cotto and Cotto's superior welter list againts Mosley. I do agree however than Mosley has the better claim because of the Marg KO. but it is clearly debatable.

Mosley lost to Cotto and had only have Collazo and Marg as Welter wins Cotto Has Quintana, Mosley, Judah, Urkal, Gomez and Clottey Its Debatable. Mosley beat Marg but only has collazo to back his claim Don't bring up that garbage man, be real dude. You and I know that Cotto was a different animal. Anyway, I don't have a problem with Pacquiao having faced Cotto but Mosley was the more respectable opponent, Mosley beat the man (Margarito). Not that any of this matters.

Cotto beat Mosley. Margarito murders Cotto. Mosley crushes Margarito. So you want a 38 year old Mosley to rematch Cotto to be an official #1 welterweight?? Haha, you guys are too much. No. Why don't you guys answer my question. Pac only had two options at the time Cotto or Mosley. Who would you choose if you were Pacquiao? The winner or the loser of the head to head match between the two?

By this post you're then making both Pacquiao and Mayweather equal, because they both didn't fight him when he was readily available. Seriously though Osiris you are officially a Pactard for thinking about Pacquiao as such. How...please explain? I have been consistent in stating that Pac had the option of Cotto vs Mosley. Cotto beat Mosley so it was a clear choice as to who he should face. When Pac vs May fell apart...the best option at WW was Joshua Clottey. If you disagree with any of this, please explain?