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But I bet they played Football before their 20s. Maybe not pro but in school or with friends growing up. I doubt they'd never touched a football In boxing you get people walking into the gym for the first time and adult and winning world titles lol. It's bad Look up the documentary A Football Life on Christian Okoye. He never played a down of football until he was about 20 or so. He is from Nigeria and was in California on a track and field scholarship. He made the NFL and was a star player for a few years.

Jake Paul proves boxing is one of the least talented sports I don't care where Chavez is right now, there's no other sport where a youtuber could start in their 20s and beat former champions in that sport. Look at the likes of Wilder or AJ. Never laced up a pair of gloves until they were adults and become world champions. You just can't do that in other sports, no chance. It's simply down to needing less talent to succeed in boxing. I don't wanna hear boxers are great sportsmen again. Brave? Absolutely. But it's a sport that people can start very late and still beat champions because the standard of sporting ability is so low. Put it into perspective...do you think you could never dribble a basketball until the age of 21 and then within a few years be able to compete in a game with even the most mediocre retired NBA player? :lol1: there's no way. Paul, a guy who never boxed until his 20s just did as well against Chavez as prime Canelo did against a badly weight drained stoner Chavez lollll. Boxing is a joke. There have been players in various sports that have made the major leagues that started as late as these boxers did. The rare NFL player was a guy who started in their early 20's and blossomed late into a football player. A few centers started in college or late in high school and made the NBA. I think if you play certain positions in these leagues you have a higher chance of making it to the league because the skill factor is lower and there is lesser competition due to size requirements.

hamzah too the first Indian boxing star lmao Not true Amir Khan a good decade plus ago.

From the times I have seen Torrez fight, I never felt he was going to do well on a higher level. Poor dude. Maybe he can bounce back from this. I remember he was rocked to his bones earlier in his fight with Guido but I still didn't see this happening while he was fresh. This could be an omen of things to come as pressure fighter needs a jaw like Mike Tyson not Bruce Seldon to make it to the top or even get within sniffing distance.

ive been watching this guy for years and he never stepped up hes like a modern day audley harrison or something there is always a reason for this Yes it seems similar but I would say it's Fraduley + as Harrison lost to Sprott but you could argue the Uzbek hasn't even stepped up to that level of fighter.

Kabayel would be unwise to choose a Dubois fight too quickly. There's a good chance Usyk vacates after Rico match, and so Kabayel gets elevated. That puts an extra 0 on the end of his next fight purse. Once he has that WBC belt, the Dubois fight would become a champ vs champ contest, so it's a much bigger event. It's written in the stars he will be upgraded and since Warren controls both Dubois and Kabayel he will unify the titles at some point.

Wardley showed zero growth tonight, it was actually frustrating to watch. He's proven to be tough as nails, but he's his own worst enemy because he fought extremely dumb. Dubois is neither quick nor slick, so for Wardley to miss his right hand so much was comical. Aside from a world class 1-2 and chin and heart the rest of Wardley is tough man skill level. It's like he just went from white collar boxing and jumped into world level boxing. Dubois could easily be out boxed tonight as his punches looked slow and ponderous at times and is too squared up on defense. Wardley just had no clue how to take advantage of these flaws.

He has to say something positive. Everybody and their brother always has an excuse on why they failed a PED test. Even Miller tried to con his way out of the failed test against Joshua until he kept on failing subsequent tests for even more PED's and only then did he fess up as the state commission was prepared to make an example of him and give him a long near permanent ban.

Miller Dubois stopped him exhausted on his feet but otherwise nobody has beaten him If Moses can plaster him on the canvas early it's a real statement. Miller is another guy in the Matchroom bubble and Itauma is in the Queensbury bubble only the Saudi's could fix that issue with a Brinks truck full of pound notes.

Is Miller gonna piss hot later? Hes got plenty of energy in this fight. I was thinking this myself. Considering his weight and age this could be in the cards a NC down the road...

Forget Pulev - kod by Gassiev. So, Gassiev,. Also Hunter - give the guy a payday and he doesn't have a glaring loss. These are safe options as they don't have power and athleticism but one or other. Ajagba if you want to roll the dice a little. Bakole, Torrez, or Sanchez if you want to roll the dice a lot more - but that is a matchmakers viewpoint. As a fan I want Ajagba or winner of Wardley Dubois. Some of these guys suggested recently signed with Zuffa boxing and I assume are going to be used as chess pieces to build up somebody in their promotional bubble. Guido would foot the bill for me or Gassiev.

Nah, not at all. Supplement contamination is more likely than food contamination or at best they're as likely as each other. Every time a fighter fails a test it's "such low levels it would not be performance enhancing". Literally 99% of fighters who have failed drug tests you can say the same thing about, it doesn't prove anything and if anything, it points to masking. Or it points to having the washout date screwed up. To be honest Okolie has tell tale signs of a PED stack usage and they should throw the book at him. He was a big crusierweight but all of sudden he couldn't make 225 pounds without having the same weight making issues he had at cruiserweight:? He looked bloated and fat looking but didn't have rolls of fat on him after gaining 45 pounds over his cruiserweight post weight cut weight... Something smells rotten in the state of Denmark...

But the commentors are talking like Fury is a young OLDH and Mak a russian cab driver. Mak would need a custom made Lada for him to drive a hack and don't stiff him on a fare unless you can box like Fury can...

what run? the run of bums until ortiz? that was garbage. literally 6 straight unranked guys in a row. yeah ortiz might have beaten chisora but its not a sure thing, especially looking how ortiz faded against wilder in both fights and wilder is not a good pressure fighter like chisora. those ortiz wins are doing a lot of heavy lifting, in fact almost all the lifting for wilders resume and they arent bad wins but they arent great wins at all. i could see chisora winning an easy belt agaisnt stiverne then having 20 defenses against bums calzaghe style. well chisora probably has more pride and respect than that even though hes a clown tory supporter Yes I looked over the list of challengers and aside from Ortiz it was a list of guys that Chisora in theory could beat. I will say this Chisora made much more money than a contender with his resume ever earned.

Yes Briggs was the luckiest paper champion in the history of the sport he won a debatable decision over Foreman and considering all of the tight decisions Foreman received it was almost a message to Foreman to retire. He also could have lost the White Wolf fight the referee was in his rights to not allow the knock down of the White Wolf as while he was staggered the ropes gave through with no time left he easily could have ruled the fight over and forced the score cards and Briggs would have lost a wide decision. Briggs also never cashed out of his title as he lost a wide decision to his mandatory defense Sultan Igbragimov who in turn sold his title to Wlad Klitschko in a boring unification fight at Madison Square Gardens.

I don't think he could have that run as he was too easily out boxed and didn't have the eraser of Wilder that instantly ended fights. That said look at the weak paper champions since the Klitschko dynasty ended in 12' and 15' and he easily could have been a champion as Stiverne isn't better than Chisora, neither is Charles Martin. Chisora was in the wrong time in the wrong place to win a championship. But this could be argued about many perennial contenders who fought during dominant championship eras.

A cherry pick of Wilder seems about par for the course for the bravery of Matchroom when it comes to Joshua. I swear when Joshua was approached by Wilder and an exhausted Wilder whispered " Let's do this" Joshua got bug eyed like it was prime Wilder confronting him. Any resistance and Joshua will fold but Wilder should be soft enough for Joshua now...

You think Hughie Fury could beat Wilder....even this half shot one? Yes easily if he wasn't caught. He should be able box his ears off. Wilder only looked halfway decent when Chisora had no legs and stood in front of him and then he looked somewhat like the old Wilder. I remember watching the fight and commentating to a relative that Wilder looked like the tin man in the Wizard of Oz before Chisora's legs went.

I think the easiest opponent he could get away with is Wilder Unless he's gonna randomly start fighting for a British title or something. Wilder at this point is only a box office draw. If you were to asses his abilities he is below British champion level so if he fought Jamie TKV in theory TKV would be more challenging that Wilder. Wilder has a shrewd team around him so they won't think Wilder is "back" and will only take on another old shot guy like Whyte or a cash out fight against an elite guy. A banana skin fight against a Hughie Fury type won't happen.

Zhang rematch Anybody that wants Wilder to fight any live body is a masochist at this point as he is KTFO victim against anybody in the top 20 that has any offensive ability.

Honestly this is the perfect opportunity for AJ to capitalize on a fight with Wilder in UK. Should be a huge payday for both. Would it be sellable? Wilder disqualified himself by putting awful tape out...

Chisora has a beer gut worse than anyone I've ever seen on any bowling team. He has a muscular gut but just has ten pounds of flab surrounding it so he looks as fat as typical couch potato but he isn't. That said he should be 20 pounds lighter for this fight but at this point in his career he isn't going to move the sun and the stars to be in tip top shape.

Boxing isn’t a family tree, it’s about performance and the reality is Garcia handled Mario Barrios like it was a sparring session, while Manny Pacquiao struggled with the exact same "easy opponent" you’re talking about. My point was "duh" he should he is close to 20 years younger than Pacman.

Jai's career may as well be in the sewer, it's already in the toilet. I don't think so he dumped the belt previously to pursue a more lucrative opportunity on a Saudi backed card. This isn't much different as Zuffa is clearly paying more than his old contract with Matchroom. At the end of the day boxing is about money and making the most money due to the danger of the sport and the long term implications of the dangers.

Ryan Garcia made it look effortless against Marios Barrios, while Manny Pacquiao struggled against a one-dimensional fighter like Barrios. Just imagine what Garcia would do if they ever stepped into the ring, Pacquiao wouldn’t know what hit him once that right hook lands. And honestly, they should count themselves lucky they haven’t faced Terence Crawford because against him, that kind of performance would get exposed and torn apart fast. Garcia in theory could be Pacman's son so what is he exposing when it comes to Manny? As for Barrios everybody and his brother felt Garcia would have to shi$ the bed for him to lose to Barrios...

Honestly he should just retire, this is coming from a fan who witnessed probably the greatest pure boxing display from the man against Joshua in their first fight. He was as close to perfection on that night as any modern sized heavyweight as ever been. This junk fight should never be worth more than a defense against Kabayel or Wardley, maybe a Chisora rematch but that is about it.

- - Foreman weren't broke, he returned to boxing so he could expand his ministry, something U could use a little of. He all but said he was broke look at the interviews from the time he said he wanted to build a youth center in Houston and didn't have the money for the center and launched his million to 1 shot comeback.

I can’t stand Floyd, you dumb f***. :lol1: But this happened to Tyson, it happened to Robinson, it happened to Langford, if you wanna go back to the bare knuckle days it happened to Tom Molyneux 200 years ago. I think it’s sad this is still happening to fighters in the 21st Century. Langford never made any money as he never was the "real" champion so his purses were limited. Robinson had an entourage similar to Floyd but made inflation adjusted 1/10th the money of Floyd. Really Foreman, Holmes and Leonard have been among the few champions who never had money problem after their careers ended and didn't have to do stupid exhibitions, greet fans/gamblers or other demeaning things to make a buck. PS even Foreman launched his second career because he was broke but in his first career he spent money like a psycho ie owning a lion and had children out of wedlock etc.

Regardless of what I think of him personally the fact he’s having to return at 49 despite earning over a billIon in earnings is genuinely piteous. I know we don’t know for sure but at the same time I think the evidence is stacking up. I hope it’s just a rematch with Pacquiao or someone from his era. Would genuinely be sad to see a near 50 year old Mayweather sell his 0 to a guy like Ryan Garcia. And that’s coming from a guy who always rooted against Floyd. It was a billion gross before he paid his team and the government his end probably netted him 300 million plus. It's not that hard to plow through that amount of money when your whole day is fixated around spending money and employing a million people to do tasks for you because you made your life unbelievably complicated when it doesn't need to be. It's been obvious for the last X years these exhibitions were to keep the lights on and to not have the situation he is in now. I just don't see the point of these fights when he will be right back where he started a good decade or so if he can't figure out how to cut back on his fixed spending costs. What I find sad is boxers generally are from the poorest class of people that grew up on food stamps and social assistance yet when they become multimillionaires they have no clue to cut back on spending when their incomes have shrunk from their peak as an athlete.

This organization doesn't need sub 118 pound fighters because it's going to concentrate on the American market but if they truly want to be global they will need a 112 pound division. If Zuffa develops a star boxer that wants to fight a junior division champion in a big bout the two fighters could fight in catchweight bout which was quite common at one time in the 8 division era. Terry Norris fought Meldrick Taylor in one. PEDnelo made up his own division for awhile when he was a 160 pound champion and was ducking GGG.