cowards are as cowards do
Floyd haters did'nt want no fight. As long as there was no fight they could keep calling Floyd a coward. Now that there is a fight the only thing left for them is the awful prospect of Manny getting beat down by Floyd. Haters know very little about the mechanics of boxing but they hear the voices of other fighters and trainers. Those voices say Manny loses this fight. Floyd haters are disappearing form the comments sections and saying they won't buy the ppv.
When the haters should man-up and stand behind their hate for Mayweather, they are running for the hills. So the name-callers turn out to be the biggest cowards. Be careful what you despise in others lest you find it in yourself.
No one knows officially. I don't see 160+ though. I would guess its somewhere in the 150s. But that's only a guess. Frankly, I don't care. I want to see a Canelo fight at 154. No catchweight and no rehydration limit. I want a straight up fight. May the best man win. This is coming from a Floyd fan and as such I want to see him in the best fights possible.
So 'you don't care' you want a 'straight up' fight between a guy at 150+ and the other at 170+? What you really want is Canelo with a weight advantage big enough to give him a shot at winning. Oh wait, you're a Floyd fan, my bad.
Yeah, he had a sad story at the start of his career, but let's face it, what gave Oscar his fame outside of boxing were his looks. Girls used to go to his fights by themselves lol (no boyfriend or siblings). Canelo's got Broner beat in that respect. Girls go crazy for the guy already.
Sure, Broner's gone to Mexico, but people over there boo'ed him after he beat Litzau because he was boring as hell leading up to the knockout. And when it happened, he danced around like a clown (Mexicans as a culture tend to hate showboating... Jorge Paez Sr being the only exception), and fans boo'ed even harder. Plus Broner's already a PR nightmare for Golden Boy because of his racist twitter rants against Mexicans lol.
As far as being popular in the UK, I'll put my money on the Irish-looking kid capturing more fans than Broner. Same reason Hatton has more fans in the UK than better English-born fighters of other ethnicities.
Boring? boring? He knocked Litzau out in the first round how did you get bored in two minuets? This guy is aggressive, has very fast hands, slick boxer and puts guys to sleep. He's 'boring' to you because he is black. The highest paid athelete in the world is a fighter and yep he is an 'other ethncity'.
What does looks have to do with it?
silly comparison broner fights below welterweight and probably will for most of his career....
Canelo fights at a weight more people care about and just looks alone has broner beat
Canelo is looking like the heir to Hoya's PPV success
Both are talented fighters
As for weight, Broner will be a welterweight in three years and Canelo will be 154 or 160, both popular weight classes. Broner has already generated more buzz in boxing than Canelo. He is marketing himself as a bad boy and haters buy ppvs. Canelo has a strong mexican following but he needs to learn english to build a base in the U.S. What does looks have to do with it? Unless you're gay, or a racist.
Canelo is going to need more than just the Mexican fololowing to be a ppv success. The Mosley fight was a start in getting a broader recognition. Now he needs to follow with name opposition. He has too many fights under his belt to be softballing. Not many non-Mexicans are going to pay to see him beat up on a Kirkland who has a bum shoulder and could'nt fight a lick when he was healthy.
I would like to see how mayweather fights when he is down a couple of rounds by points. But its very hard to beat mayweather.
If you'd like to see how Floyd fights when he's down a round or two watch rds 3 thru 8 against Judah; or watch rds 3 thru 12 against Mosley. Nazim Richardson said it best, when he's hurt or behind ( which is rarely) he grows two horns and a tail and spits fire.
This latest revelation by Arum is the most telling of all. He talks about a 'neutral' agency. Apparently inplying that a testing agency might falsify Pac's test results? The killer here though is his demand that the test be done by the olympic testers 'under the supervision of the state'( NSAC.) Arum knows dam well that neither USADA or WADA is going to sujugate their test to any agency especially one that has never gotten past urine.
Marquez is serving notice: Pac's not the only one who has an EPO connection. JMM has his own way of leveling the playing field! lol. Now they can bill their fight 'duel of the dopers' I'm joking but how if Marquez feeling like he is already at enough disadvantages: age and weight, and knowing Manny won't test, decided to try a little ped for power! Theres been some question why JMM even took this fight. Now we know, Ramos was a trial run for the juice mix!
18.07.11 @ 03:33:25
or illegal drugs
CHAD DAWSON = Bout Changed To No Contest Due To Dawson Failing Post Fight Drug Test.lol
FLOYD MAYWEATHER = XYLOCAINE PEDS
OSCAR DE LA HOYA tested positive for steroids after TRINIDAD and HOPKINS fight and NSAC tried to hide that but Hoya got exposed evantualy and even Arum confirm that something was going on
and JOAN GUZMAN just got tested POSITIVE!
So here you go,he had only 4 fighters and all are steroid freaks!
With a track record like that Mayweather Sr. should know a steroid freak when he sees one! Ya think?
Roger is saying the same thing that Floyd and Ellerby are saying and the message has not changed. From the beginning the Mayweather camp wanted random testing and that is all they are asking for now. Pacquiao fans are really good at responding with personal attacks and namecalling when confronted with Pac's refusal to be tested. But as time goes on the question looms larger and larger. OK the world accepts that the
Mayweathers are every kind of crackhead and animal you care to call them and Floyd is scared to death of Pac. But tell us, PLEASE, after all this time and talk and all this money to be made, WHY WON'T MANNY TAKE THE TEST? Please reserve additional attcks against Mayweather for another post. This post is asking about Manny.
This is not about anybody being scared. You have to look past the four ringpost to know boxing. Gamboas got a lot more at stake than facing Rios in the ring. He is doing what DLH and FM did and what Pac and Donair need to do: refuse to bend over for Bob Arum. HBO will get over it trust me. They know Bob Arum well. He did the same thing to HBO when he switched the Pac ppv to showtime. This talk about Gamboa being scared and blackballed is bs. this kid is exciting and people want to see him. With the right promotional team the sky is the limet.
Why won't pac test??
WHY WON'T MANNY TAKE THE TEST? Through all the argument , accusation and counter-accusations I have yet to hear that question answered in a plausable way. I have heard that Manny has never tested positive so that puts him above suspicion. But Bin Ladin has never been caught with a bomb. I have heard that he is afraid of needles but he has many tattoos. A teaspoon of blood will weaken him, I just don't believe that. He does'nt want to give in to Floyd's demands; for 40 million dollars!!?? Even if Manny's ego was that big, Arum greed is bigger still.No way Arum lets many screw him out of that much moolah just to spite Floyd. Besides Floyd gave in to the 10 million weight penalty which is unprecedented in boxing. I have heard that Floyd's motive are not to clean up the sport. So what?? What does that have to do with Manny making 40 mil by stepping in the ring. Manny clearly is not concerned with cleaning up the sport. I have heard that Floyd wants to destroy Manny reputation. Obvious solution: take the test. That clears your reputation, gets you 40 mill, you get to kick Mayweather's ass; establish your legacy as an all time great. Thats four great reasons to take the test. All I ask is one plausible reason not to take the same test Mosley took. Which Floyd would also take. Please don't bring me the same reasons I have already dismissed.
Agreeing to take test with any limetations like 14 days, only on Sunday, call before you come, is not RANDOM. I need an answer from someone, anyone;
WHY WON'T MANNY TAKE THE TEST???
Can you believe that? What the guy in the news is saying is that Floyd can never beat Pac without the test. LOL.
The world should be laughing like hyenas at this. Whatever happened to Floyd saying Pac is easy work, easy money, Marquez is better and schooled him twice?
What a mess. It's embarrassing. Floyd can never beat Pac without the test! LLAH!
The world should be laughing like hyenas at your ability to read and understand. Jeff is not saying that Floyd can never beat Manny without testing. He is saying that if Manny take the test, he can't take the roids. And if Manny can't take his roids he can't last more than 5 rounds with Floyd.
Stop laughing at youself and read it again. I agree with Jeff except I think Pac last 8-10 rds without drugs.
It will be interesting because Floyd himself isnt a busy fighter. It's not like he boxes at a pace where he tires his opponents out. The opponents tire themselves out trying to get to Floyd. If Canelo fights patiently and picks his shots/combos wisely, it can get very interesting. Floyd has resorted to being a one punch and done fighter. Lead right hand then move or hold.
If Canelo fights patiently it means he is boxing and boxing Floyd only gets him beat up. Canelo plan has to be come in at about 170,(he was 172 against Trout)and throw the weight behind his power shots hoping he can land a few. Floyd sr.
already said you can call it what you choose 154 or 147 but the fight nite limet for Canelo will be 160.
The lawsuit is a joke. Defamation of character/slander is probably the most difficult case to establish in American civil procedure. The plaintiff must establish all of the following:1. That the defendant in fact publicly made the statement. 2. That the statement or allegation was in fact untrue( Manny may have to take the test to establish this element) 3. That the defendant KNEW the the stement was untrue. 4. That the statement was made with the express purpose of defaming the plaintiff. This is why tabloids continue to operate with inpunity in the public domain where first amendment liberties are cast in stone. I don't know how they operate in the Philloipines, but in the U.S.A:usa: if i believe Skippy is a punk and can say: "Skippy is a punk.":
beastie Bob
The heats on Arum so now he's calling for an investigation as if he doesn't know exactly what happened. This fix has Bob's Arum's fingerprints all over it. The only thing worse than an in-house fight is an in-house fight with a greedy promoter pulling the strings. Consider the following: Bob controls both fighters and gets all the promotional money. If Pac wins this fight he probably retires without fighting Mayweather leaving Bob with a lot less money and a Bradley without his undefeated record. Even if Pac wins and fights Mayweather who is his own agent, Floyd makes more money than Bob or Pac plus a chunk out of Bob's ego. Bob's take: a retired Pac and a blemished Bradly.
Is it hard to fix a pro fight? Of course it it is, unless your a guy whose been in the game for ages, has a ton of money and does only in-house fights where there is no dissent about who the judges are. No one is complaining about the decision louder than Bob but inwardly he snickers. Why? The rematch which is already set will make more money than this fight. If Pac fights Mayweather fine, thats more money. If not he still has an undefeated Bradley with a win over Pac on his resume. There is no room for Pacquiao's pain or the cry of the fans in Arum's agenda. Greed is an animal that devours it's young.
Bob Sideshow Arum
Arum is a lying sack of sht and any so-called fight fan who cant see it is pathetic. Arum knows dam well Pac will win the fight he is trying to pump up interest in a fight that I for one would never buy. Arum, above all thinks that the rest of us are stupid. He especially believes that Mexicans are brainless fight fans who will pay to see any Mexican fight even if it's a digraced cheater who just got ktfo. He plays the race card to generate interest in fights. Mexican vs Puerto Rican vs Arab (Khan) vs Jews(Foreman) He's no fight promoter, he runs a side show. He signs fighters and then pits them against each other. Thats not competition, that is an exhibition. It's WWF. Fight fans ought to put his ass on notice. We're not stupid and we're not buying these sideshow exhibitions
that Top Rank is putting on.
It Ain't rocket science. Arum sees Pac and Nito on the same card as giving the fan too much for the price of one ticket. Arum is a pig and a user and his concern is money period. He is saving Nito for when Pac is done and then we'll see Nito against of string of Top Rank fighters just like he doing with Pac.
Pac needs a wife with a brain, or some balls, since he has none when it comes to Arum. Sure he's getting paid but his legacy is going to be crap if he keeps getting fed Margaritos and Mosleys.
In a recent interview with 790THEZONE, Freddie Roach said he saw the fight, and thought it was a great fight, however Mayweather "Legs are Gone",
and he is a "pedestrain" at Welterweight.
Noteable Quotes
"If Pacquiao catches him he will finish him."
" His style now is very good for the fans because he didnt run and he came to fight."
"I will probably get into a fight with Roger, because he is so disrespectful,"
"Mayweather is going to talk trash, and Manny will say GOD will decide."
"I predict Roger will be jail, for hitting the girl, but I am not a girl and he will have a tougher time with me."
"We will Knock Mayweather Out."
HE ALSO SAYS HE SPOKE WITH BOB ARUM, AND BOB ARUM TOLD HIM THAT HE IS ON HIS WAY TO THE PHILP. TO TALK TO MANNY ABOUT ACCEPTING THE FIGHT WITH MAYWEATHER.
WHAT DO YOU GUYS THINK ABOUT THIS?:lurk:
Roach is talking out of his a$$; He and Arum are looking like the biggest idiots in the game now that Floyds made a bundle and worlwide acclaim for beating Mosley while Pac ends up with 6 to 10 mill for Clottey and serious suspicions of doping. The 14 day window is probably off the table now along with the 50/50 purse split. They should have taken that deal when they had the chance. Roach is trying to talk like the fight is done based on 17 days; thats his bs, Floyd never agreed to 17 days and probably won't. Why should he, Mosley took the whole test why can't Manny. If this fight happens now, Manny will have to take the test as administered by wada.
Arum won't be a fool twice, he wants the moolah and he'll make Manny test to get it; even though Manny off the juice gets KTFO
Vegas is a fight town.
I'm sure it's gotten to him that everywhere he goes people say "When you going to fight Pac Floyd".
And his answer is: 'when Pac takes the drug test'
You my friend are still in denial. Bob Arum has two agendas: first Bob
Arum has to get all the promotional money and second Manny fights no one who might beat him.
You Broner haters have a lot more hating to do and a lot of ppvs to buy and you may never get the satisfaction of seeing him defeated. He is ****y, brash, arrogant and yes ignorant at times. But the clown you saw in the ring walk was not the fighter you saw in the ring. This kid is an assassin in there. Elusive, cat-quick and he hurts people with either hand. And btw he trains like a beast. You don't have to like it but a true fight fan won't deny it.
Maybe Pac should just chime in and say he's willing to let Floyd win
and say all he's after is the money. Floyd can have the glory and
money. :boxing:
Maybe Pac should just chime in and say he'll take the test.
No, what you said was "I think Pac want that fight more than the Floyd fight, it suit his style better"...You were trying to imply that Pac wants nothing to do with Floyd, or his style...Wake up!
He may have been trying to imply that but I'm saying it outright. The Pac camp don't want Mayweather. They would much rather have Cotto. They beat Cotto already, he is a known quantity; also he is under Arum so they don't have to drug test and they can come in at a catchweight. Arum is just blowing smoke saying he's close to a deal with Mayweather. Ellerby confirmed it, they're not even talking to Arum. Ariza knows the real plan but he does'nt know enough to go along with the smoke that Arum's blowing.
No rocket science here.
He's a liar. He tried to put Kelly on this ticket because he hears all the backlash from fans and media about how shi**y this fight is.
Thats why he has Roach and Nazeem saying Mosley can win; thats why he promised the 'best show ever,' he's worried about the ppv. Why has he never bothered to put a decent card under Pac before? Bob Arum does'nt give a sh** about Kelly's recovery. He would'nt give a **** if Kelly had a bottle in his corner as long as no one starts talking randon breathelizer.
not really...i just want him to get in the ring with pac which seems pretty impossible esp if pac destroys margo!
Margo just got destroyed, Mosley did it. Then some guy, I forget his name, he destroyed Mosley.
if you'd be kind enough to clean up your grammar so that i can actually understand what the hell you're saying...i'd try to respond.
Let's see if you can understand this:
Manny....should....have...agreed....to...the...testing...schedule.
Now...he's...stuck...in...a...sparring...session...with...a...top
rank....stablemate...which...only...pactards...care...about.
Get back to me when your ged instructor helps you interpret this post - you idiot. Lol
lol thats funny !!!
Bob Arum insults our intelligence as fight fans. We're supposed to get all excited about this bs he's putting out and then blame Mayweather if the fight does'nt happen. We are too dumb to see that he is now trying to agree to terms that were on the table in March. Everything has changed since he walked away from the biggest fight in history. He f***ed up big time and now
Mayweather holds the cards. We're not stupid Bob, at this point the ball is in your court! Mayweather has already said random testing without cutoff! When you had the chance to fight Floyd with a 14 day cutoff and 50/50 split you flounced off and fought Clottey for peanuts because you thought Floyd had no one to fight and you could kick him while he was down. Now you're scared sh**less that you will miss the big payday altogether. In March you "did'nt need Floyd" now your begging; publicly begging after declaring a week ago that all negotiations should be private. It may surprise you Bob but we the fight fans realise that at this point there is no negotiations; The Mayweathers are not even talking to you right now. You are negotiating with the press and the public and you apparently think we're idiots.
Live boxing in movie theaters is an excellent option for fans! Consumers would most likely go to the theater and pay movie ticket prices to watch a fight instead of paying $49.95 or 59.95 for it at their homes!!! But, I'm fairly positive that Golden Boy ends up losing money. They have to pay thousands for the transmission costs that probably doesn't cover the low revenue split they get from the theater owners.
So the magic trick here is....GOLDEN BOY WILL BE ABLE TO COUNT EACH THEATER TICKET (about $10) AS A PPV BUY!!! So....Golden Boy and a jackass like Mayweather can claim they sold X number of PPV buys!!
Theater tickets don't count as ppv buys by anybodys standard nor would GBP intentionally flush money just to claim buys. Sounds more like you're the jackass.