That doesn't mean shit. He can still be overrated. which he is. He is amazing but he's not as good as most people make him out to be.
Okay
Oscar had JJ Molina, JJ Lieja, Genaro Hanendez, JCC twice, Miguel Angel Conzalez, Pernell Whitaker, Hector Camacho, Ike Q, Sugar, Gatti, Vargas, Trinidad, Felic Sturm, and Floyd fucking Mayweather...how can you call him overrated? He scrapped the lot...
There is a popular misconception. Soem less-than-knowledgeable fans bestow "greatness" upon somebody just because they fought alot of guys. Fighting guys doesn't make you great. BEATING guys makes you great.
Jesse James Leija has fought top competition. Is he great?
That's just shit.
If you fight the best fighters (Gatti did, as did Mayweather, Ward, Castillo, Corrales, Chavez, Ali, Foreman, Leonard, Hearns, Hagler, Duran, Barrera, Morales, Pacman, and the rest) it probably means you were damn good.
If you fought shitty old washed up fighters in toilets in Doncaster then chances are you ain't that good.
As for the less-than-knowledgeable bit. That I ain't.
Jesus Chavez, Diego Corrales, Zab Judah, etc are all shitty opponents. Yeah . OK. Learn the sport.
And if Mayweather beats Hatton, then the thread answer is RICHARD HATTON.
Nobody has fought more shitty opponents than Rickety Hatton.
What the fuck are you talking about? Diego Corrales overrated? Check your head .
Here's who Jesse james Leija fought:
Azumah Nelson (multiple times) , Oscar Delahoya, Shane Mosley, Juan Lazcano, Kostya Tszyu, Micky Ward, Panchito Bojado, Machito Camacho, Arturo Gatti, Ivan Robinson and Gabe Ruelas.
Howz that competition?
But JJ was just a journeyman...never a contender.
Ian,
I did not say that. You need to read the context. I was responding to a post.
Have you been to college?
Three times.
I have a BA an MA and a teaching certificate.
Why.
If you are desperately clutching to that flawed position, then you are not knowledgeable about the sport.
Better fighter: Leija or Hatton?
The practice of matchmaking is to "test" your fighter against certain guys as they come up. Bruce Trampler would use the same guys over and over. So that gatekeeper would end up with a bunch of terrific names on his resume - even though he lost to all of them. For example, Cosme Rivera is one of those guys. You are wrong because MOST gatekeepers are solid-to-good, but not great.
DeMarcus Corley is a longtime gatekeeper for the 140 division. He fought Judah, Cotto, Witter and Mayweather. That is better competition than Ricky Hatton has. Is Corley better than Ricky?
Carlos Maussa fought
What the fuck are you on about, dude?
Pretty much most of what you just wrote doesn't make sense even in German.
I get your point about Corley, but let's talk realistically. Initial argument was DLH was overrated, that's basically just a whole load of horseshit, and anyone who knows anything about boxing will say the same.
He's not criticizing those fighters, he's highlighting some of PBF's best wins as someone called him (Floyd) the most overrated fighter in history.
That makes no sense.
Ricky Hatton,
You mean that bloke who got beat by Luis Collazo and Juan Urango, and the same bloke who beat up old shot fighters like Kosta and JLC?
Yeah, greatest welterweight ever...for sure.
Where you comin' from?
De La Hoya's overrated. He's lost nearly every big fight he's been in.
Another stupid post. World champion boxer who has boxed everyone put in front of him. He fought everyone credible at his weight, and then fought Mayweather despite being old and past it. That hardly smells of overrated...
Have you just logged on to disagree with everybody or something? Try saying something positive or constrctive instead of just saying things that will potentially cause an argument.
I don't post to simply disagree with folk. I want good discussion. I don't want to argue, just discuss. If you want me to post something positive, let's talk about Joe Calzaghe or Ivan Calderon or Daniel Ponce De Leon, or Ricardo Mayorga...you'll get something positive then...
being there 2 see pavlik come off the canvas 2 ko taylor .. n then watchin all of taylors friend run the fuck out faster then he did cuz tungstown was about 2 go crazy lol
Chico - Castillo I, round 10.
Best there is, best there was, best there ever will be.
Dudes
I'm in the UK. Boxing News (UK based paper) had a big Frank Warren ad in this week's edition, he gives all the fight times.
We get the full undercard, it's on now. There's 12 fights, however -
Main fight undercard 12.10am - Enzo Mac fight
Main fight 1.25am - Calzaghe - Kessler
Do your maths and your world times and work it out.
It's now 9.23pm in England.
Ian
American schools don't care to teach that stuff
Where is Michigan, is that in Detroit? Where is that really cool city of California?
Joking, really.
They teach us about you lot, why not vice-versa?
Almost all of britain roots for Calzaghe, so thats why I thought wales was a part of Britain.
I'm only bustin' your chops dude.
It's pretty big over here, yeah. The undercard is on our TVs now. Pretty fucking huge this scrap, it's a shame Hatton-Mayweather is to come, otherwise this would be the be all and end all for GB. I'm totally excited. I'm trying to get drunk so I can rip shit up when it starts, but after half a dozen pints I'm stone cold sober. Says something about how excited I am.
This scrap is GBs De La Hoya - Floyd equivelant.
Isn't wales part of britain?
You so need to go back to high school.
Great Britain - four countries - England, Scotland and two others (I'll let you try guess them)
I heard he was an underdog even in his own country against jeff lacy. So, it seems like half the ppl in england didn't believe in their man.
The media portrayed Lacy as an invincible warrior (the US media that is), that's why we had our fears, but half way through that scrap we all realised Joe was going to make Lacy look like (dare I say it) a well-built Mexican cabbie.
Listen. You can't fault people for not being as intimately familiar with your own country (ies?) as you.
I referred to a Northern Ireland fighter as "Hatton's countryman" and Mozza nearly had a heart attack.
Meanwhile, you guys (England, N Ireland) are on the same Olympic team. WTF.
It's all screwed up, dude. Yeah, we should go one way or the other...four countries or a union...but if we did the latter we'd have to put Scottish footballers in our GB side...and that would be soooooooo bad. They are soooo bad at footy.
not since julian jackson has there been a one punch elite ko artists.
I'll give you your props on this one, but Julian Jackson is hardly a consummate one punch KO guy, is he? He only KO'd Graham...
Obviously, I am still kind of a rookie to the sport, so I haven't seen all the big names fight, BUT, I couldn't think of a single one punch KO artist who is even remotely close to the top of their division. The closest I could come to is Edison Miranda and Ricardo Mayorga, and that is a hell of a stretch to call those guys elite.
Maybe Manny Pacquiao? But it usually doesn't seem to be one punch that does it, it's usually an accumulation of those rocket straight lefts.
Anyone have any examples? (I have almost no experience in the heavyweight division, so I'm guessing I'll hear some names from there)
Daniel Ponce de Leon is pretty good...
mosley-dlh 1: with only 2 fights @ ww, shane becomes the first to clearly beat the great oscar de la hoya.
mayweather-corrales: floyd schools and dominates top 5 p4p fighter chico, dropping him 5 times.
barrera-hamed: haveek gets his head thrown into the ringpost and wins 2-3, rounds maybe.
hopkins-trinidad: hopkins schools and dominates tito, a top 2 p4p and maybe an atg in his prime
forrest-mosley 1: the viper dominates p4p king mosley
pacquiao-barrera: manny moves up and beats the tar out of top 5 p4p and atg barrera
barrera-morales 3: barrera moves up to 130 and wins a war over morales
hatton-tszyu: ricky becomes king of 140 and makes the great tszyu quit. tszyu was in the top 5 p4p list.
hopkins-tarver: hopkins jumps 2 divisions and wins 11-1 against ring mag champ tarver.
What about Corrales - Castillo?
or the Ward - Gatti scraps?
he had one punch ko power in any round with either hand. all you gotta do is watch some of his fights, he sleeps guys with ease.
I respect your opinion but I don't agree with you.
The only credible guys he fought he got beat by - G-Man twice, Verno Phillips.
Graham had a Bruno-like glass jaw, and so that's probably why he got dropped by Jackson.
SO FUCKING MISLEADING!!!!
Does anyone have it? What time will it be on too?
Just trying to do you folks a favour, misleading or not.
Dunno what time it's due, I don't care...as long as I get to see it.
I'll feed back to y'all if I get anything.
Wig
Showtime at 9, switching to HBO after.
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give me all the points for someone else's work!!
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You da bomb.
Maximum props...
He goes down, he gets up. He gets cut, bleeds, but still fights. He's a high action little guy who scores big knockouts.
Look at his 2 blitzings of Oscar Larios. He went out there and gave him the business in short order. Even in the 2nd fight when he was stopped he lit up the crowd with a high intensity war.
Then he climbs off the canvas twice against Jhonny Gonzalez in a fight he was losing bad and knocks him out. Many felt that fight could have been the best of 2006.
Most recently, his trilogy with Rafael Marquez, which has produced the two best fights in recent memory. As Steve Kim put is, "13 Rounds of Fury".
Vasquez has all of the elements that make a great action fighter. Is he the most exciting fighter in boxing?
No chance
Look at Ivan Calderon, Edwin Valero, Daisuke Naito or Daniel Ponce de Leon...on his good days...
none of those guys are particularly awsome to watch.
Valero has had 1 good fight and about 30 million mismatches.
Calderon is beautiful to watch but he isnt thriling to watch or anything.
Naito is pretty exciting.
Ponce De Leon is only exciting if he scores an early KO. If not, his fights are painfully monotnouse and tedious
Props dude
Valero, for me, is sweet.
Calderon is awesome, I won't budge on that one...
Naito is a warrior.
Ponce de Leon, as you correctly stated, is good when he's good...namely early on when he's banging folk out.
If you want exciting fighters other than the above, look at Ricardo Mayorga or Tony Margarito. Also look at Arturo Gatti, he raised a few roofs. Look also at Floyd Mayweather, much as you all say he's boring, he ain't.