Wilder fanboys, you are desperate for the 8 year ban, but Fury smashed your boy all over the ring drug free. If you truly believe in Wilder, you should hope Fury doesn't get banned so Wilder can avenge his beatdown. But you have no confidence in his limited skills and I don't blame you.
Excuses don't get logged in record books, only the W's and L's. Fury 1, Wilder 0
Yes, I know he failed the test after beating Hammer and I know that nandrolone is one of the oldest and most easily detected steroids out there. That's why I don't believe Fury used it deliberately when he knew he was going to be tested by UKAD.
He is not that stupid and neither is his uncle Peter, who was his trainer back then.
By this logic, everyone who tests positive for Nandralone in innocent because "no one can be that stupid".
lmao
No a lot of people said it was too soon. Plus he was in good shape it may have been an 18 month lay off but he was in training camp for much of that time. Klitchko in your 15th fight is a risk no Matter how you look at it. I mean aj could’ve lost that fight. Bear in mind around that time other champions were fighting the likes of Gerald Washington and Chris arreola, you honestly going to tell me klitchko wasn’t a risk for a very inexperienced champion who hadn’t gone beyond 7 rounds at that point
Spot on. People go on like Wlad was completely washed up. He proved in the fight that he wasn't. He was still in the top 3 available HWs at the time Joshua fought him. Arguably number 1. Fury was semi retired, Wilder was busy fighting bums like Gerald Washington.
I believe if McGregor had been a pro boxer he would have been at least an alfabet titilist, kinda career like Paulie or Hatton...at least...what do you think?
Not with his cardio. He has the stamina of a 50 year old, combined with massively overrated punching power, due mostly to using those tiny MMA gloves on the undersized midgets he fought for the majority of his career.
The fear is real.
As predicted, two ducks go head to head in a fight only the most delusional Wilder fanboy wants to see (they dont really, but they'll pretend they do).
So after this what next for Wilder? Kownacki? Charles Martin? Breazeale 2? Ortiz 3?
Embarrassing.
Wilder didn't sign the contract because there was no language guaranteeing the fight would be next. It wasn't about having a finalized venue, it was about Hearn refusing to include language that the fight would be next. In the Fury contract, there was standard language about not taking any interim fights and the timeframe the fight would take place in. All things Hearn refused to put in his contract.
"Then he doesn't answer and they say we'll give you a better offer. They up the offer to $12.5m to $15m. They said it would be the next fight and there would be a rematch clause. So we said we accept, send the contract. Then the contract comes and it has no date for the fight, no arena for the fight"
Finkel
There was language about it being the next fight. That was fixed, then the new problem was "no date, no venue". Team wilder never wanted the fight, they just wanted to play like they did and manipulate the public, which they did fairly successfully... until now.
Signing a contract in August for a fight in November or December is very reasonable.
Signing a contract in June for a fight in April is ridiculous.
If the fight wasn't going to be next, Wilder wasn't going to accept 15 flat. Period. Which was smart since he's now turning down 40 and will likely end up with 50 or more.
Wilder's side wants to maximize the revenue. Joshua's side wants the fighters to make less. By putting the fight on DAZN instead of PPV or putting the fight in the UK instead of the US.
Hearn lies when he says he works for Joshua. That's not true. Hearn has Joshua under an exclusive promotional agreement. Joshua works for him. Hearn has no fiduciary duty to Joshua. Haymon and Finkel work for Wilder. Their job is to protect Wilder. Hearn has no legal obligation to protect Joshua.
The April date was a contingency plan for if they missed the WBO mandatory deadline after Finkel sat on the contract for 4 weeks. No different from Wilder facing Breazeale right now. The initial available dates were October/November at Cardiff or Wembley after the Canelo PPV, to maximise any US numbers.
“Our original plan and hope was to do it in the middle of September,” Hearn said. “But obviously this Canelo fight on September 15 makes it a little more difficult with U.S. TV. And the fact that we’ve lost four weeks in waiting for an answer from Deontay Wilder makes the fight happening in 11 or 12 weeks of this magnitude unlikely. If it is before Povetkin, then it runs on October or November.”
Hearn.
"I'm sending him back the contracts with a couple of notes," Finkel told ESPN on Monday. "Hopefully, there is no problem and we'll sign right after the changes are made."
Finkel declined to specify what the Wilder side would like to have changed but he insisted they were "small changes." He also said the contract did not provide a date or site for the fight, though it has been discussed previously that it could take place sometime in October or November at Principality Stadium in Cardiff"
Finkel
Wow, you'll call AJ a mediocre boxer to his face Mr Fury? You're so brave. Hope you've had a good training camp,that German guy you're up against must be a hell of a fighter if you'd rather fight him than mediocre talent like AJ, Whyte and Wilder....
Hearn lies when he says he works for Joshua. That's not true. Hearn has Joshua under an exclusive promotional agreement. Joshua works for him. Hearn has no fiduciary duty to Joshua. Haymon and Finkel work for Wilder. Their job is to protect Wilder. Hearn has no legal obligation to protect Joshua.
Well if Wilder is his own boss (he aint) and Hearn is AJ's boss (he aint), maybe Wilder should consider getting a "boss". He's had twice as many fights with a career twice as long as AJ's, yet has only one good win in 40+ fights, 1 belt, no unifications and earns a fraction of what AJ earns.
A very underwhelming 11 year pro career.
Are you from the UK by any chance ?
Been watching too many Hearn IFL Interviews have we...
Either refute the points or accept your idiocy. Don't try derailment tactics.
No wonder boxing has become such a niche sport in the US. Too much politics, greed and excuses. Marinate it until Wilder is 37/38 years old, lose to the younger AJ in an over-hyped, underwhelming fight, and hammer another nail in boxings coffin. Same with Crawford and Spence.
Hearn got the email and talked out 7 key questions that he had with Al Haymon, before presenting the offer to Joshua. If you want to call that suspect, that's on you.
Whether he was joking or not, Anthony Joshua said that he'd sign if he actually got $50m, got $50m offered and still didn't sign.
What use is there sitting for any meeting when there is no agreement on the big line item?
In 2022, if the fight hasn't happened yet, I can see you'll still be going on about this suspect $50m. First offers are often rejected, no problem, make another, negotiate and meet somewhere in the middle. I only see one side, making numerous offers, setting up meetings and moving towards the other. While the other side sits waiting, doing absolutely nothing other than giving lip service for the gullible to parrot on blogs and forums.
Actions speak louder than words, although even words are now indicating that "Wilder wants the fight to marinate".
Anyway the longer this marination (ducking) goes, the less likely Wilder is to beat Joshua when (if) they do fight, given the 4 year age disadvantage. I look forward to the inevitable, "Wilder wasn't in his prime excuses".
Incoming "he racist" from white folks lol
But that was funny how Breaz looked at that dictionary lol
Im black and im not calling him a racist, im calling him an idiot for using race to further his (financial) agenda.
This is exactly what I keep thinking, if they are any type of boxing fan you would think they would own or at least have access to some gloves and a heavy bag, 20 seconds would show just straight up insane this theory is.
Seriously its more embarrassing than flat earthers and actually makes me sort of worry about where society is heading.
The youtube kid who is leading these glove accusations believes America are holding aliens captive in underground prisons. Occasionally these aliens escape and get into shootouts with security...
Thats what we're dealing with.
I'll give Khan a tiny bit of credit by saying, at least he tried to style it out with the low blow, rather than simply quitting like Lomachenkos victims. But what I find really funny, is how much heat Khans getting for quitting compared to others. Is it because he's lying?
Or is it really because we all just love seeing him do the bambi dance and all its variants, before getting KO'd lol.
First of all, it was a WBA mandatory, not the WBO. The WBA is in Hearn's back pocket and would have done whatever he wanted. Finkel didn't sit on anything for 4 weeks, not even in Hearn's own timeline if you were paying attention at the time. Hearn tried to claim Finkel sat on the deal "two weeks," but only if you use the definition of receiving a contract on Friday and answering on Monday being "two weeks" even though it was a few days apart.
If you were paying attention, you'd notice that in over the last 12 months, 1 side has sent numerous contracts as recently as DAZNs just a few days ago, while the other has sent none and made just one suspect $50m offer via Wilders personal email account, with all meetings declined.
Not to mention, when Finkel was asked why he hasn't made any more offers, he simply says Because we don't want to right now, but we will in your lifetime" He sounds so eager to make the fight doesn't he.........
You're just proving my point. Welterweight has been the biggest money division in the US for the last 20 years. Heavyweight was practically dead here. Spence inherited a much healthier landscape than Wilder did.
Its practically dead, because the one decent HW the US have has been fighting nobodies for a decade. You're actually proving my point. It has and will always be an advantage being a HW, regardless what the landscape has been in the last 20 years.
Then y'all need to stop this P4P nonsense and foolish talk about Tyson Fury. Fury's victory over a limited, overachieving and lack of fundamental boxing skills fighter like the "Bronze Bomber" Deontay Wilder does not make him P4P worthy. It's because in you Wilder haters mind, Wilder was never shit anyway, couldn't box and was a bum with a thin resume fighting scrubs.
Im not calling him an ATG yet. He beat Wlad, but didnt give him the rematch and then banned for 2 years for taking steroids. The end of the ban miraculously coincided with his recovery from drug abuse and mental heath problems... Be like Ruiz beating Joshua, then not giving the rematch. Gotta run that back, make sure it wasn't a fluke. Still Wlad is a good win.
Then he beats a massively overrated Wilder. who is still good, but has limited boxing fundementals and a thin resume.
Fury has to do more. Can't pad his resume with Wallins and Seferi's when theres decent level contenders waiting to take his 0.
And with no language in the deal guaranteeing the fight would be next, having a date and venue become important. Hearn said he'd send a date by Friday. Friday rolled around and Hearn said the date was April 2019.
There was language in the contract stating the fight was next. Hearn confirmed this and Finkels new complaint, was "no date, no venue"
April 2019 is less ambiguous than when Wilder and Fury signed a contract August 2018, with the fight date being either November or December and a venue yet to be confirmed. The excuses need to stop, its just facilitating all the ducking.
Finkel has always been worried about taking this fight, and Wilder does as he's told.
Yup, just like he was worried about Deontay "just a baby" Wilder taking the Wladimir fight. Wilder has no control ovr his career, he is subservient to Massa Finkel.
Wilder has to be one of the dumbest boxers in the history of the sport.
I understand he's trying to save face after the recent public backlash caused by his ducking antics, but claiming he tried to "FaceTime" Joshua in the past with his mutual friends (lol Massa Finkle?), after he's just signed to fight Ortiz, is so ridiculous, Im starting to believe one of his semi ******ed fanboy YouTube channels are advising him now rather than Al Haymon.
Didn't you read my original comment on this?
UKAD had something else on Fury, something he couldn't deny because he admitted himself that it happened. After charging Tyson and Hughie, UKAD went to the Fury gym to test them again. Tyson Fury abused the UKAD team and refused to give them any more samples. So UKAD charged him with refusing to be tested, which carries an automatic 2 year suspension, as well as the original nandrolone charge.
UKAD did a deal with Fury to withdraw that second charge, in return for Team Fury dropping the law suite they started against UKAD for defamation, and accepting a backdated ban on the nandrolone charge without the case being heard by the National Anti-Doping Panel (NADP)
UKAD needed them to accept the backdated ban, and they needed the case not to be heard by the tribunal, so that they couldn't be sued over it at any time in the future.
There's a reason why UKAD repeatedly stalled and asked for postponements to prevent the evidence from going in front of the NAPD. They knew their case would have been thrown out, because the evidence they had didn't stack up. Why else would the NAPD have ordered them to lift their provisional suspension of the Fury's after looking at that evidence at an earlier hearing?
In light of new evidence released today, if only you knew how much in common you have with Wilder fanboys. Excuses, narrative spinning and leaning towards the least likely explanation, just because it favors the boxer you are a fanboy of. Im sure you have a bag of excuses to explain this bombshell away. Thats what fanboys do.
To think you are actually using Furys refusal to take a test and give further samples, as support for his innocence, says it all.
Also you said "UKAD charged him with refusing to be tested, which carries an automatic 2 year "
This is false. Not sure where you heard that. Ive heard up to 4 years, but never an automatic 2 year ban.
Lol Whyte is a fraud. He just wants to stir up bs. How many times has he turned down fights against serious opponents? He’s all talk the WBC should sue him for lying
How many HW boxers have fought better opposition than Whyte?
Did you just start following the sport? In nov 2017 when everything had to be reshuffled when Ortiz came back dirty for blood pressure medication and stiverne was bumped up to main event instead of taking on breazeale as co main in a final eliminator the wbc went down rankings looking for a replacement for stiverne Whyte said no admitted he did because of it being short notice which is understandable and you still asking for proof when it came out the said boxer mouth during a interview? Lol
Sigh, still no proof. Did you just start using the internet? How hard is it to find a link to verify your claim that Whyte turned down a FINAL ELIMINATOR to face Breazeale in 2017? Ive looked, I can't find it, but this is the claim you're making, so back it up with a reputable source.
Or just accept you lied.