In my post I was pointing out the level of competition Dulorme continues to fight despite the hype he receives around these boards.Your post mentioned and stereotyped my nationality negatively in an attempt to discredit and attack me.
I'm going to have to report you.
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I remember you praised him a couple of times for fighting good competition at such an early stage. IE Corley...
Manny Pacquiao
won 54 (KO 38) + lost 5 (KO 3) + drawn 2 = 61
rounds boxed 371 KO% 62.3
Juan Manuel Marquez
won 55 (KO 40) + lost 6 (KO 0) + drawn 1 = 62
rounds boxed 462 KO% 64.52
the opposition they have faced is worlds apart....
cant compare ko ratios really...
Spare me the I been watching boxing 30 years new persona you're going with. You made my point for me you troll. There was no reason for Pac to make Cotto weigh 145 and he fought Oscar at 147.Give me a good reason.
thats true what u say there meng....
It's a guy pressing buttons. /thread
this is why half the community here is ****. cuz posters like you.
i ask for proof on why its so bad or unreliable, cuz punch numbers seem pretty accurate to me.
I gave you proof. The community here is sh1t because of morons like you who place importance on nonsense like compubox. You dont know sh1t about boxing if you're relying on such a broken system to tell you the story of a fight.
i've never SWORN by it fool. and that was no proof provided by u, that was more of a trollish opinion. gtfoh
Everybody was always so against it, but nonody could provide a certain truth to why it was so bad.
very,very true..a fighter can beat beating one guys ass for 8 rounds and get out thrown and out landed in the last 4..and people will swear the guy who clearly won the first 8 rounds lost based on punch stats
to me that makes no sense.
punch stats couldn't possibly favor a guy who clearly lost a fight after a full 12 round fight based on only the last 4 rounds. This is eactly what I am talking about.
By the time the pac-marquez fight was over pac had landed 40+ punches over marquez, does anybody disagree? and he was also ahead on the official socrecards.
it was a catchweight fight different than the one he just had with oscar.
in that cotto had to weight below what he was comfortable weighing like i said i have no problem with it,
n think it was a great win for manny even though he had a hard fight himself.
but if cotto came into that fight weighing 45 pounds on his own terms i'd consider it a ww fight.
u might not agree but i dont see how it's a ww fight when cotto had to weight 45 pounds not 47 which is the rules.
i would def. expect someone to ***** about oscar since he had been fighting at middleweight and welterweight was something he had not made weight for in a lot of years, so that affected oscar a lot more than it would have cotto. Osacr was shot by that point anyway too so it didn't matter.
141-147 is the actual welterweight division so, they could've weighed in at whatever they wanted but the contract was for 145, so cotto signed his own death presumably.
the only rules is that 147 is the limit that you are alloted for weight, they can weight in at whatever they want as long as it is 141-147 as long as its stated differently by the agreed upon contract.
Im not sure exactly how it works, but the commentators treat compubox as fact, when actually its just a persons or peoples opinions, on what they saw.
We are watching the same fight, and may draw different conclusions as to what punches were power punches and which shots landed cleanly.
I dont have a problem with compubox. It seems fairly accurate, but it is also very flawed. its better to score a fight based on your own perspective.
i agree with u, i never said it was perfect either. It seems pretty accurate to me tough.
like martinez vs burgos dec. burgos landed 234, martinez landed 164.
Like for instance, Floyd has probably the highest connect % in history of compubox, is that not rue? he gets hit the least and his connect percentage is super high.
please someone prove why its wrong, or unreliable.
136-140 is the light welterweight division
141-147 is the welterweight division
148-154 is the jr middleweight division
If fighters agree to any weight within the weights i just described, why is this a problem again?
some fights are easier or more accurate then others. Like daggum mentioned, the hopkins-calzaghe fight they had Calzaghe landing over 200 punches on hopkins which was absurd. You'd be hard pressed to find more than 30 clean punches landed on hopkins the entire fight!
Volume punchers are probably the hardest for compubox to accurately get. If a guy throws a 100 punches in a round, how they hell are they going to see everything that lands since they are sitting one spot ringside? They can't.
It's two guys with a clicker:
http://www.thesweetscience.com/images/stories/boxing/compubox_action.jpg
Now if the fight is at a really slow pace and each fighter throws, say, 20 punches a round, I'm sure it's a lot easier to be more accurate.
i understand that completely and don't siagree with anything you said.
200 punches more on hopkins seems crazy but i watched the fight and calzaghe was def. super busy and it doesn't make me say "screw" compubox.
i need to see that one example where its clear that it is a crock of shiat.
For some reason i have a feeling that Magdaleno is gonna get Laid out. Just have that feeling.
If a rematch with burgos happens, burgos will win.
If a rematch with beltran happens, Rocky wins again. That fight was for a vacant title, Beltran felt like getting on the bicycle and not wanting to do enough to win the fight. Sorry no rematch. If he would've really came to fight like Rocky did, he could've easily won that fight a la Burgos.
Yeah thats y he avoiding the rematch with burgos.
just stop. if thats the fight that presented itself, he would have no problem taking it. Ever since he put on a strap and lost it, he's been taking difficult fights.
Yea Idk why people are complaining about the Beltran fight. And truthfully I wasn't surprised 1 bit by the outcome of the Burgos fight either.
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On the outcome that Burgos won easily or that he was robbed? lol
That was a whooping like Trout on Cotto and Trout got the UD comfortably, so it wasn't cuz it was NY, it was cuz of imcompetent judges.
Because somebody may throw most of their punches in or over a certain amount of rounds.
I.E a fighter may throw nearly all of their punches in the first 3 rounds then gas and the other fighter schools them for the remaining 9 rounds.
Punch stats mean sh1t, if they did Mathebula would of easily beaten Donaire for example.
Fights are scored via rounds.
i completely understand that. I'm not saying to just score fights just by punches landed.
i'm saying to prove how inaccurate or why its such **** to finalize opinions and or cement your own scorecard on who won a fight.
I wasn't surprised by the decision. I thought Rocky won a couple of the early rounds but then after he tasted Burgos's power he backed off a little till the late rounds. I'm not saying Rocky won but as I watched this fight and read everybody had it a shut out I told them I wouldn't be surprised if the judges had it closer than most people thought/had it. Do I think Burgos was robbed? Yea but I can also see where the judges were coming from.
As far as the rematch goes, unless Burgos had a clause then Rocky is just gonna fight whoever they put in front of him.
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I agree. The fairest possible score for this fight would be 116-112. Rocky was preassuring the whole fight, which could change perspective. Burgos focus was body work, and basically no head work. Maybe that also influenced the judges the other way.
it's defintely more accurate than watching it on tv and not keeping track of the punches landed...esp in a close fight
ofcourse when there is a KD , no matter what the compubox say, you have to consider the one who got it to be the winner of the round (scored 10-8) unless the diffrence of punches landed between them is huge...(then it should be 9-9)
of course, but scoring even rounds is discouraged also, so who knows.
take some sets of CB stats and then go watch the fights in slow motion and compare your connect count with CB's connect count round for round. you'll see how dismally inaccurate CB connect stats are. human error or an indicator of CB bias toward certain stars? can only speculate, but HBO have this habit of ramming CB down its viewers' throats and CB has a habit of being pretty inaccurate in favour of some of HBO's hottest properties in recent times.
seems legit man. something like the donaire mathebula cb is something like i was looking for.
You guys kill me with taking this health come first comment out of context. You run from a bee sting, yet make of mayweather because he doesn't want to fight so much he ends up lime roach or ali. Theres nothing fun about living like that.
He did fight any one thats how he got to where he can call the shots. And you seriously are going to knock blood tests? Only people fans of mediocre boxers don't care about PED testing.
He has fought everyone that he proabably needed to fight, but not WHEN he had to fight them.
He needs to fight the likes of Canelo, Trout, the pac fight went down the drain as far as that goes.
He IS right, he will never get the credit he deserves, and its a damn shame because he has the talent that could've probably gottan him top 10 ATG, but he will most likely be remembered with the joe calzaghe's and sven ottke's of the world lol.
And I like mayweahter now to tell u the truth.
TBH, I believe that we who watch the fights on tv have a better view of the fight than most ringside observers. The camera's always switch to show the best angles. The compu-box analyst, the judges, the commentators stay on 1 side of the ring at all times. I wouldn't call it unrealistic for them to see a fight differently than I do.
The best example that I can give is Pacman/Clottey & the famous thousand bang bangs when damn near every punch thrown missed. It would be interesting to see how compu-box recorded those.
this is the compubox here posted on our very own site:
http://www.boxingscene.com/forums/view.php?pg=manny-pacquiao-joshua-clottey-compubox
it actually seems pretty accurate backing up the theory that they didn't score every blocked/missed punch.
Floyd isn't a puncher at 147, let alone middleweight. He doesn't have the power to hold off a middleweight with a good chin. Skill can only take you so far.
Boxing 101: A good big man beats a good little man.
LOL, you're right man, but we're talking about the ATG Floyd Meayweather here.
Self preservation.
Not if he throws his money away..cause he will have to continue fighting after he is well past it
i agree with this part.
but if he doesn't throw his money away he will also, cuz he'll never take enough of a big chance to lose a fight. Self preservation.
Beat Matthysse who is future HOF and the best guy at 140 now. Gave Bradley the fight of his life before fatiguing. Probably overtrained for that one since he is so dedicated to his craft his trainers literally have to stop him from training more. Hes undefeated at 147 and established as a legitimate threat to anyone there. Wins over Urango, Witter and Corely, thats a hell of a resume. A lot of guys at 147 dont want to fight him because he is low reward but high risk.
Dont underestimate welterweight champion Devon Alexander.
what the fack? :poke:
:Thinkingo
NONE.....
he wouldn't fight any of them to begin with.
Martinez would kill himself to come to 150 to get a fight and that fool still wouldn't fight martinez.
i dont have any problem with manny's cw fights but he cant get credit for beating cotto at ww when he didnt fight him at that weight.
he actually did.
can a couple of pounds affect a fighter? yea. but at the end of the day, they signed the dotted line.