Barrera questions marquez' sudden power in pacquiao fight

How is it a completely different subject?? U said PAC was successful because those bigger guys were drained and past prime. Now u said we should suspect PAC for cheating since he ran thru those bigger guys then u use that To justify the suspicion other people have on Marquez. That's when I quoted u and said pac never fought those bigger guys 3 times like what happen with PAC vs marquez. It's called self-confusion. Fetta is OK, just gets a bit carried away with his argument and trips sometimes.

I knew people hated Pac... but damn.... the hate here is strong He might be serious or it might be aimed at me, because I have posted the very same comments (minus the "glass jaw) quite recently. I thought at first that Pacquiao lunged forward, wide open and ran into a huge punch, but it wasnt until someone posted the video in slow-motion on this site, showing where Pacquiao actually tripped on Marquez' outstretched foot at the same time and fell into the punch, that I realised what had happened. It was all so quick that Pacquiao still doesnt know what happened-unless he's seen the video, although he's a real sportsman and takes his loss like that.

JMM indeed has KO wins but Katsidis, CasaMayor, Juan Diaz wasn't 1 punch KO just like how he beat Pac. It was more of combos that lead JMM to win and its not hit the canvas and not moving.

lmao, look at the pac stan try to rationalize this sh1t. bwahahaha.

Marquez knocked out Katsidis, Díaz, Casamayor... He always had power, I don't know how people keep saying that he suddenly gained super powers. Marquez trained a lot more for strength this time. His lost speed and agility, you can see Marquez in Marquez vs Pac 3 where he was lighter, faster, with better reflexes, trusting in his ability to outbox Pacquiao. After realizing that he was never going to get a decision, he gained a few pounds, trained a lot more for power and strength and lost speed, you can clearly see that in Marquez vs Pacquiao 4. Those fights were 1 year apart but you can clearly see that Marquez has completely different characteristics. He didn't get so old in one year, it's just that his training changed completely and now he got enough power to take out Pacquiao. BTW Marquez already hurt Pacquiao before, in his first and 2nd fight Pacquiao was stunned by Marquez's power, he was actually a little bit lucky to stay on his feet. In their 3rd fight Pacquiao was more used to the weight and Marquez wanted to take advantage of his speed with a lower weight, that's why Marquez couldn't hurt Pacquiao in Marquez vs Pacquiao 3. Just a point which might have no bearing. Since going up in weight from 130, Pacuiao has had 9 fights in which he's scored 3 KOs. Marquez has had 5 fights in which he's scored 3 KOs. The inescapable conclusion, if figures mean anything, is that as pacquiao went up un weight his power decreased, and as Marquez went up, his power increased.

But I thought Pac wasnt a 47lber. haha. yall dumbasses keep the excuses going.:pat: I don't see the connection between your post and my post. Not getting enough of Floyd's love juice?

But I thought u guys said those bigger guys were over the hill and drained, that's why PAC looked so good. So which one is it? lol. U cant piggy back like that lol. And again did PAC fight those bigger guys 3 times and wasnt able to drop or hurt any of them then in the 4th fight PAC kos them? Did that happen?? U can't piggy-back but HE can...and he does, he does. All the time.

so one can move up in weight and destroy bigger guys and no suspicion and hell be a legend but if the other moves up an destroys this one guy then he can be accused but other cant? Got it! No double standard there. There was plenty of "suspicion" mmoooorre than plenty. It caused a few court cases uring which oscar got a breakdown and had to hide in a sanitarium and plead for forgiveness. It also caused Mayweather (and maybe his father and uncle too) to have to decide to fight up to 2.5 times a year for the next few years. (I personally don't believe he will be able to) So, all in all, your comment was just a waste of space and meant nothing.

I think both are/were on PEDs but laugh at Pac fans who now point fingers. So with that, yes, it is double standards. Pac can knock Hatton oyt cold, beat a much bigger Cotto, destroy Margaritos eye, and hes legendary but he gets KO'd cold and its PED's. Just as much do with the fact of his suddenly massive physique.

My new friend! Yes. Finally someone else KNOWS the science of boxing. I've been getting red k since Dec. 8th man. I am an honest fan of the sport and I call things how I see them. Humans love to see you fall from grace I tell ya. It's sad that no one wants to admit what to us was so obivious. I will Green K you my friend.

Yes that cos JMM was more cautious and back peddling and not commiting. But dont change the fact everyone was nervous for JMM everytime Pac landed they believed JMM would kiss canvas. He was getting a beating in the fourth but was still allergic to the canvas. Something not quite right there. I think he was on PEDS more than once against Pac perhaps. Pacquiao may be your god but hes not really a god. He can lose like anybody else can, its boxing and its happened to better fighters than him. Marquez knocked him out, get over it and stop making excuses, its lame.

I wish Barrera used his fcking head. Look at the fight Was marquez slow? Yes Was he sluggish? Yes were his reactions garbage? Pretty much (look at the beating he took before ko) the reason for that was because he bulked up, he did that and then landed his perfect punch, he paid the price for gaining his power, he lost a lot of his speed and reactions for it and it paid off...simple as that People needed to do this earlier to pac...his weakness is his defense, he is arguably the best offensive fighter ever, but in terms of his defense...even a slow ass hatton landed clean on him. Use that, take the punishment in hope of landing a big shot because you will have the chance to do it with him LMAO. You f****s are funny. Pac never ko someone like that at 147 but you accused him he was on PED. When Marquez iced Pacquaio with just one punch at 147 he is natural, blah blah blah. They quickly forgot Pac already fought Marquez 3 times. In those fights, Marquez landed repeatedly with the same shots on Pacquaio without any effect. Anybody who is not stupid can easily figure it out what is happening when a 39 year old Marquez hired Heredia (a known maker/supplier of undetectable PEDs to countless Olympic athletes and others). The sudden surge of his power and strength are unbelievable. Pac was hit by much bigger legit 147 fighters like Cotto, Clottey, Mosley, Margarito and took it like nothing. Now that Marquez all of the sudden can punch stronger than these naturally bigger men known for their punching power you don't have a clue but when it comes to Pac you are very sure and the floydiots he was on PED.

JMM is a sweet, humble man, and he probably dont even know they were feeding him PEDS and unaware of it possibly. But those power pellets seemed to have changed him, with his talk of KO'ing Pac. Pac had eaten JMMs best punches and hardly blinked so why the confidence? Thoese PEDS are like the Elixir of youth and probably made JMM feel like an 18 year old and when he punched the heavy bag he probably felt as if his fists would punch a hole in the bag thats how good he felt on them. ANd now he probably feels he can fight for another 6 years like BH is. He took a beating from Pac as if it was nothing, youd think those punches would have softened him up a bit, but no, JMMs last punch was probably as strong as his first punch of that 4th fight. http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m8om6hKD4Y1rwcc6bo1_500.gif

Marquez did increase his power but maybe pacs punch resistance has declined from all the shots he's taken. Either way nothing could have stopped that KO can't make any excuses. Pacs punch resistance probably has declined a little, but wasnt too evident against bradley. But JMMs punch resistance seems to have gone through the roof, he seemed on the verge of being stopped against Katsidis, and has developed incredible power and physique. Not really making excuses, rather observations.

Marquez did increase his power but maybe pacs punch resistance has declined from all the shots he's taken. Plus the last guy to wobble Pac was jmm anyway. Either way nothing could have stopped that KO can't make any excuses.

JMM is a sweet, humble man, and he probably dont even know they were feeding him PEDS and unaware of it possibly. But those power pellets seemed to have changed him, with his talk of KO'ing Pac. Pac had eaten JMMs best punches and hardly blinked so why the confidence? Thoese PEDS are like the Elixir of youth and probably made JMM feel like an 18 year old and when he punched the heavy bag he probably felt as if his fists would punch a hole in the bag thats how good he felt on them. ANd now he probably feels he can fight for another 6 years like BH is. He took a beating from Pac as if it was nothing, youd think those punches would have softened him up a bit, but no, JMMs last punch was probably as strong as his first punch of that 4th fight.

Marquez always had respectable power, even Pacquiao knew that. Pacquiao was reckless when he first fought Marquez but there's a reason why he didn't do the same in his next fights against him. Just look at Marquez vs Pacquiao 3 and ask yourself why Pacquiao wasn't so reckless, why he was more careful and wasn't throwing punches all over the place. JMM is a counter puncher, his punches land exactly at the right time at the right place, especially when the opponent least expects them. Pacquiao always respected Marquez's power and this time Marquez was stronger and landed a perfect punch, that's it. Who knows, maybe if he had landed a perfect punch during his previous fight he could've also taken out Pacquiao.

I mean, you kind of have to shut your eyes and stick your fingers in your ears to not be suspicious. Its not even as much the knockout as the first knockdown. That's a punch that has landed on Pacquiao, from Marquez, dozens of times. It never did that to him. I think its obvious he was on something.

Keyword is "solid" not devastating as he was in fight number four. He was actually stronger than Manny. How is that possible? Manny hit him with KO punches that normally really hurt Marquez but this last fight, he barely blinked. Hmmmm. Ask Memo, unlike Victor Conte, Memo fled to Mexico hid, and changed his name lol, the dude thought he could hide on 24/7 until Conte and I believe ARiza before he become cool with Memo ratted him out as a steroid dealer and showed the video from two years ago injecting himself with EPO which is what he said would help boxers with speed and lactic acid. Im guessing he probably gave JMM EPO this time around, in the third fight Marquez looked huge he was bulked up and sluggish, in the 4th fight he was ripped lean hard muscles, huge traps and shoulders and he was faster than he was before and his punch resistance was incredible Pacman hit him flush with some hard right hands and left straights yet he only touched his glove to the canvas. People like to act like Marquez isn't on roids or he isn't suspect, these are biased or haters, the truth is if anyone is suspect is Marquez, before Floyd question PAcman not one person said he was on the juice, they actually said man he is small they said he barely weighs 143 against oscar? not one person said he was on roids they even said his body looked softer, the moment Floyd sr the hater and sore loser claimed Pacman was on PEDS after he had soil on his face from talking all that mess on Pacman and his boy Hatton got KO bad he starting making up lies about steroids because he was shocked how his fighter got KO. Hatton has never accused Pacman of roids ever and you would think he would be the first to cry roids. this is how the lie becomes the truth, someone spreads a lie and people start believing it, Floyd and his family did this and they are punks for it. The only problem is the flowmos still believe the lie and spread it as the truth. Pacman has never been associated with a known ped dealer, closest was that flowmo troll who wrote a fake article spreading a lie about a filipino sparring partner injecting him with roids when its a known fact Pacman has never sparred a filipino sparring partner in ages. JMM has a connection his transformation from when he fought Floyd to when he fought Pac twice above 140 shows big difference in strength, size and musculature this is why his suspicion is more legit. Pacquiao never rejected drug testing at all that is the myth that idiots try to use, and he was never scared of needles yet these idiots will still bring it up, Pacman said in 2005 that he didn't want people to take blood from him again too close to the fight because he felt weak when they woke him up and took blood from him the night before the first Erik Morales bout. He felt they used it as a tactic to weaken him. Yet these idiots will never remember that, and just think he is on roids ducking tests. I'm a Marquez fan and I was pissed that he hired Memo finding out about this guys shady ways and than seeing Marquez abnormal physique at 39, we must remember Marquez wanted to beat Pacman so bad, now when someone wants to win so bad they will even go to drastic measures to do so.

the opposition they have faced is worlds apart.... cant compare ko ratios really... worlds apart lol marquez fought alot of dudes in there primes very damn good fighters pac man fought either old shot fighters, weight drained , or far slower than him they where good names but certainly played out for pac marquez has been fighting young and hungry fighters i won't count likar ramos that was a dumb fight but marquez too me is best he's the one i consider a legend