Not necessarily. And I would trust the medias opinion over fighters anyways. They fight and more times than not aren't the sharpest knives in the drawer. My Mexican aunt who LOVES Canelo said he lost....again. If she admitted that then it happened. Trust me.
So you are saying the media and your aunt know how to score fights better than fighters and judges?...ok I see how your reasoning works.
The media.....most definitely. Fighters are often delusional about how a fight went.
And if my Aunt, who would elope with Canelo at the drop of a dime will admit that he lost while giving him the benefit of every close round, then he damn sure did.
Just be happy for corrupt, buyable judges. Boxing has been like this as long as it's existed.
Just read your comments and analyze and think if they make sense...the fact is the media is infatuated with ggg and these Russian types. They hate to see them lose...and don't listen to your "aunt" she does not know what she is talking about. Canelo beat ggg accept it and move on.
Red K on the way
He destroyed GGG but 95% of the media believes it was a draw or GGG won.
Some blowout. You're a delusional loser
Most pro boxers believe canelo won...
You are an ignorant idiot who doesn't know what you are talking about. An MMA fight has nothing to do with this fight. What I keep asking GGG haters who insist Canelo won by a mile is why did he have to settle for such a close split decision in Vegas where they have always been overly generous to Canelo on the scorecards. He even got a draw on one card against Mayweather.
Canelo won by majority decision not split decision...two different things.
Robert Garcia Canelo
Charlo canelo
Spence Canelo
Jesse Vargas canelo
Chavez sr canelo
Mike Tyson canelo
Ryan Garcia canelo
Etc etc
Add to the list Barrera, Foreman, Hopkins, Mora, Morales, Murray, Haye, Bundrage, Linares, Ward, Trout list goes on and on...
Both canelo and ggg are good fighters but how good is up for debate, both of them. If you are an unbiased fight fan you know and admit that by their own choices or not or by circumstance they both have alot to prove. What ever happens in this fight they should both move on and fight other top competition if not and they start with a trilogy nonsense its obvious they both are scamming naive fans.
Damn...now a pro fighter/former pro fighter cant give an opinion without a bunch of cheerleaders getting upset and calling the names. Alot who probably have never fought in their lives.
He was scared for a reason, canelo's body punches had ggg huffing and puffing by the 4th round. And anyone that knows these two fighters knows its true, ggg has great stamina but canelo took it from him with body shots. Great body work by canelo.
All those except Estrada-Rungvisai were clear-cut correct decisions. Close fights with clear winners with no real way you could score to the loser.
I'm a big Estrada fan and I was at those fights (apart from LSC-Frampton I) and saw them on TV too but he lost clear to Chocolatito as did Cuadras. I felt Rungvisai was a draw but can see 7-5 either way though the general feel was it was a decent enough verdict. Not to mention all of these fights combined weren't of the magnitude of GGG/Canelo II. Not too many people kicked up a fuss over Canelo-Lara which Lara won six rounds clearly and a lot of fans feel it should have gone Lara's way.
On the flip side the type of fans that are adamant Canelo won clearly also scored those fights for the Mexican and claimed robbery.
Your stating your opinions and thats ok but not everyone agrees...for example I think canelo beat Lara clearly...you think Estrada vs Rungvisai was fair but chocolatito thinks Estrada won clearly ...and thats the point this website would post your opinions because it fits the nerrative.
I've seen plenty pointing to Canelo doing well but the reality is that there's a significantly larger number of people who think GGG won. I don't see a huge bias in general against Mexican boxers or Mexican boxing. They get good press in general. Canelo gets a lot of heat but he did fail multiple tests and didn't act with grace. He's also definitely got more favorable treatment than most fighters so naturally people don't like that type of stuff. The press did say Marquez was robbed in Pacquaio III for example and a lot of idiots then said "well the judges said this", "well Pacquaio landed more shots".
Re: this site being biased against Mexicans. It goes a number of ways and it does exist. A lot of posters really don't like Mexican and black fighters but a lot of posters really hate white fighters/European fighters. I think there's more troll threads and posters tearing down active European boxers than anything else and that's just a fact. It's blind ignorance to act like it doesn't happen. A lot of noobs especially Pacquaio one's hate Mexican fighters because Marquez had the audacity to not go down without a fight.
It's sad that it's come to that and people have taken things deeper than the sport we are supposed to love and be here to discuss. You can spot them a mile off I said I think GGG won and one idiot poster who's been here years said I'm a Pacquaio fan who was still upset that Marquez KO'd him when here on planet earth Marquez is my all-time favorite fighter and I've followed his career since the 90's and spent thousand$$$ watching him live a ton of times and actually got ****face drunk celebrating that KO. Pacquaio fans paint me as a Mayweather fan because I say Marquez is a great fighter. There's a lot of stupid fans that are caught in a Mayweather-Pacquaio war and some make it racial.
Anytime somebody says "my race/my country has the best ___" you know they are a racist and are insecure.
Most boxing fans are casual fans and a large number of them are stupid and bigoted. This place maybe more so than most and IMO the board needs a re-vamp. Create a noob section and posters have to be approved by others with good reputation and can't start a thread until x amount of green k or approved posts.
I am not reffering to posters on this or any other website, like you said alot aren't even fight fans alot are just cheerleaders. Not talking about state commitions or anything like that I am pointing at the press and their "writers" . Just look at their articles on this website relating to canelo vs ggg...its all one sided.
How convenient that you ignore the articles we posted for Ward, Saunders and Abel in favor of Canelo, Oscar's open letter and other items.
The only opinion for canelo there is Ward even though there are over 35 from fighters and trainers for canelo. But check this out...all truly even fights all decisions against Mexicans
Estrada vs Rungvisai
Estrada vs chocolatito
Cuadras vs chocolatito
Santa Cruz vs Frampton 1
Just 4 examples, in 2 Mexican champs in 2 Mexican challengers
All writers/articles I saw on here had nothing but praises for the winners of those decisions no clamoring rematch no crying about or disagreeing with the decisions...coincidence or pattern?...you have to go on YouTube to see neutrality. But this must be called out by true fans of boxing.
I'll say it again the media were the ones who built GGG up to something he never was, openly rooted for him against Canelo, Fat boy Dan scoring a fight where his phuking twitter background pic is of GGG on some uber fanboy shyt. They saw their hero who they wanted to come in like the white knight and slay the cheating Canelo. They spent months tearing Canelo down and you think they going to score the fight in his favor? Even after GGG get's his face rearranged, stalked and walked down Mexican Style by the little man after taunting him to fight Mexican Style no less. And they couldn't give to Canelo so almost all used the it's a draw to save face and then a few said GGG still won. Almost none of the media said Canelo won. The problem is the fighters and trainers overwhelming agree with the judges and said Canelo won. We talking elite fighters, hall of famers, P4P guys, so you telling me Golden Boy paid off the judges INCLUDING the only judge from the first fight that gave it to GGG then went and paid off all these fighters and trainers too? Some of the guys on the list hate Canelo like phuking poison with major grudges against him and still saying Canelo won.
So something don't smell right when 95% media putting out a narrative and saying Canelo didn't win and damn near 75% of fighters and trainers saying he won. Sure some fighters said GGG won too but more said Canelo and my point isn't it has to be 100% or one side is right or wrong but you have a large amount thinking canelo won and it's totally not reflected in 5% in the media that says Canelo won. Either all these professional judges, world class and hall of fame fighter and trainers don't know how to score fights OR the media was on GGG's sack and bitter so they refuse to admit Canelo whooped their hero.
Fat boy dan take that GGG pic down (I know your bytch azzz reads these posts) maybe then you can take off the GGG glasses and score better fights
Exactly!...GREAT POST!...
Very true, Foreman, Tyson, Morales, Ward etc...boxing icons of the sport give Canelo the nod yet barely get a mention.
LOL at all those names on the list, some of the biggest icons in boxing...they'd all get a separate thread plus article if they'd said Canelo lost. Majority of Americans plain hate Mexicans. They hate any country they can't subjugate especially if they're neighbours...Canada and Mexico aren't slavey enough for them.
Excellent post!
Exactly.
Most of fans dont know **** about this
I don't know about some of these polls because in person its not lopsided but check out a video on You tube its called "Andy Lee ethers ggg fanboys who hate canelo's win". Great description of the biased commentary and the effects it can have on fools or people that have their minds made up before the fight and we all know some is just racial/nationalistic hate.
Can you please provide your source for this claim?
Andre Ward: Alvarez
David Lemieux: Alvarez
Jaime Munguia: Alvarez
Claressa Shields: Alvarez
Anthony Fowler: Alvarez
David Haye: Alvarez
Robert Garcia: Alvarez
George Foreman: Alvarez
Mikey Garcia: Alvarez
Floyd Mayweather Sr: Alvarez
Andrew Tabiti: Alvarez
Kevin Newman: Alvarez
Rolando Romero: Alvarez
Luis Tapia: Alvarez
Al Bernstein: Golovkin
Lou DiBella: Golovkin
Manny Pacquiao: Golovkin
Manny Pacquiao: Golovkin
Lennox Lewis: Golovkin
Danny Jacobs: Golovkin
Terence Crawford: Golovkin
Barry Jones: Golovkin
Matthew Macklin: Golovkin
Carl Frampton: Golovkin
Richie Woodhall: Golovkin
Rafael Garcia: Golovkin
Paulie Malignaggi: Golovkin
Shawn Porter: GGG
Hurd: GGG
Roy Jones Jr: Draw
Dewey Cooper: Draw
Will Clemons: Draw
There's 15-14 for GGG here.
https://www.eyeonthering.com/boxing/gennady-golovkin-vs-saul-alvarez-ii
as a source and Porter and Hurd added.
And thanks for thr new adds its actually 37 canelo -14 ggg
Can you please provide your source for this claim?
Andre Ward: Alvarez
David Lemieux: Alvarez
Jaime Munguia: Alvarez
Claressa Shields: Alvarez
Anthony Fowler: Alvarez
David Haye: Alvarez
Robert Garcia: Alvarez
George Foreman: Alvarez
Mikey Garcia: Alvarez
Floyd Mayweather Sr: Alvarez
Andrew Tabiti: Alvarez
Kevin Newman: Alvarez
Rolando Romero: Alvarez
Luis Tapia: Alvarez
Al Bernstein: Golovkin
Lou DiBella: Golovkin
Manny Pacquiao: Golovkin
Manny Pacquiao: Golovkin
Lennox Lewis: Golovkin
Danny Jacobs: Golovkin
Terence Crawford: Golovkin
Barry Jones: Golovkin
Matthew Macklin: Golovkin
Carl Frampton: Golovkin
Richie Woodhall: Golovkin
Rafael Garcia: Golovkin
Paulie Malignaggi: Golovkin
Shawn Porter: GGG
Hurd: GGG
Roy Jones Jr: Draw
Dewey Cooper: Draw
Will Clemons: Draw
There's 15-14 for GGG here.
https://www.eyeonthering.com/boxing/gennady-golovkin-vs-saul-alvarez-ii
as a source and Porter and Hurd added.
How convenient of you to ignore my list and put pac twice on yours.
Look at the Lomachenko-M. Garcia situation. Where did all this animosity towards Mikey come from? What has he done to deserve this? Besides beating guys years ago that Loma lost to and beat years after him.
Great point!...They glorify certain fighters and try to create animosity against their potential rivals because they know it works with people who can't think for themselves.
Merchant was a floyd hater. Not sure it's right to label him a hater of all black fighters, lol.
He was in the game a very long time, I'm sure some of his favorite guys in the sport were/are African American.
I agree about Lamps and Kellerman, they just cant hide their love for certain guys.
You could be right about Merchant I know he disliked Floyd, Ward and Hopkins some of the most accomplished fighters.
I disagree with your definitions all around.
To me a fanboy is the type who is all up on someone's nuts & comes up with illogical arguments on why that guy lost a fight or why any moves he makes are always good & never bad.
I think its fine to like a guy of your nationality or w/e (I'm always pro-Michigan fighters, but I'm logical & reasonable in my stances on them) as long as you are reasonable with things he does or doesn't do. Its when you act like a fighter can do no wrong when you drift into fanboy territory.
I also think a hater doesn't need to hate because or race or w/e. You can just hate a guy for a random reason. And its basically the exact opposite of a fanboy. You find an excuse for how he won any fight he won or at least the biggest ones to attempt to minimize their status in your & others eyes. Any move they make in the business you'll find a reason its the wrong move.
And I think a true fight fan is in the middle of these two types of fans. He just enjoys the sport at w/e level the guys are at that are fighting. He'll enjoy the biggest fights in the game down to the 4 rounders with pro debuters.
Yea, there's nothing wrong with liking a fighter thats from your region or race/ethnicity or nationality I just said if thats the sole reason and if so you will be illogical about it. You basically said what I said just worded it differently and pointed out details that go with the description. You did point out something else about haters...it could just be random and Ill add another one, they could be influenced by certain narratives.
I disagree on the criteria for being a true fan. A true fan is someone that watches the sport and not just one fighter or one network, knows the rules, and tries to get their friends and family to watch the sport as well.
This is sports. People pick sides for all kinds of reasons. There is no rule that you have to like any fighter or any type of fighter. In any other sport it is natural for fans to have favorites and those they don't like.
In no other sport have I seen a "true fan" be defined by how they pick the athletes they support.
As for race/nationality/ethnicity that is a also a natural reason to like a fighter. You start out watching them locally and in Golden Gloves. Then you watch them in the Olympics for your country. Then you follow them as pros.
Again, this is sports. There is nothing wrong with "sports hate". In every other sport we hate certain teams or players. I don't know how that is wrong in this sport. You can hate a fighter but respect his skill and talent. IMO it is also ok to despise a fighter.
Where I will agree with you is it isn't ok is when a poster gets mad that you don't like the same guy they do and they make any criticism is rooted in race/nationality/ethnicity rather than address the criticism head on. That is a b-tch move.
You pointed out something I agree with in the true fight fan criteria...they know the rules...great point.
Does cripple g have any REAL fans?
I like both canelo and ggg...I have canelo beating ggg but I still want to see them both against different opponents though and both vs a top dog.
Provodnikov is a tough fighter but hasnt beaten anybody. He has fought 2 good fighters and lost to both of them. Alvarado has beaten good fighters like Prescott, Rios, Herrera who beat Providnikov and a also has a win over Carlos Molina. Alvarado has everything to beat this guy from experience to endurance.
get The Fuck Outta Here.you Had To Create An All For This Bullshit?suck My Dick.what I Said Is The Truth You Fa99ot.
Fuck You Puelto Lican ...look At Your Comment, You Fagg!
All this "Mexican style" is made up by u.s media its an attempt to put them down. Just like when they say " one of the best Mexican boxers". You never hear "one of the best English boxers" or one of the best Russian, Filipino, black ect. The only other boxers they do to is Puerto Ricans. Its a way to minimize their accomplishments. And I think canelo knows this...
It's just like a fellow American to think he could just take Mexico from its people.
Umm, thatbwould be significantly wrong. England has its problems, but if you do the math by years in existence, well, in the last 200 years the United States has basically been in a perpetual state of war.
But more importantly, whatnisnhappening now matters more.
It is interesting you bring up the U.S because if you think about it the U.S is basically a spawn of England.
Somewhat true but I have lived in Mexico and been around boxing for over 30 years. There is a stronger sentiment in the Mexican community for their boxers to engage in pitched battles than let's say the black/African American community.
Their is generally some element of truth in stereotypes.
Somewhat true about stereotypes but in this case i think its been totally blown out of proportion to make it look a certain way or at least exaggerate when its actually very similar.
This is what happens when people like Gonzalez himself believe the bull**** of not only hbo but almost all sports media outlets such as this website. They told him he beat Cuadras which he did not, they told him he beat Rungvisai which he did not so here goes in again against a guy that already outgunned him once. This is actually the 3rd fight in a row he loses but he went in erroneously thinking he was the best...but this time Rungvisai left no room for bull****!