I actually have and I was excited when he moved to HW. Beating Barrett and running from Valuev haven't convinced me he should be mentioned as a potential Klitschko fight. He did all that big talk about bringing excitement and how boring the Klits are and put of a performance more boring than Wlad-Ibrag. I enjoy boxers and usually jump to the defense of fighters labeled runners, but what he did against Valuev was pitiful.
Well your first comment made it seem as though David Haye uses running tactics in all his fights, and that he will be doing so again against Ruiz.
Also, as others have pointed out Valuev had a 100lb advantage, and Haye actually injured his hand early on and so couldn't be as active as he would have liked. He stook to his gameplan though and nearly KO'd him in the final round.
That statement is simply not true man.
I was gonna comment on that.
I swear alot of these guys criticising or even hating on Floyd have only seen him fight a couple of times and just go by what they've heard others say and not from their own knowledge and opinion.
Nice attempt at being clever TS, but this could be applied to every fighter in the game right now, and they could still be justified suspicions in some cases.
The thing is, Floyd is the one who wants the random testing NOW and Pacquiao is the one who turned down a $40 million fight so he could avoid them.
Not saying Pac is using, just pointing out why he is more suspicious than Mayweather in this issue.
i have stated mainly facts....
while u just jump on the bandwagon
You haven't stated any facts other than both fighters will be having random tests.
Other than that you're just talking out your ass.
nothing u said rules out the FACT one fighter will be tested closer to fight night and im willing to bet it will not be Mayweather ...
second of all .. the bolded is just an opinion, not a fact... who is to say it is a little or a lot... a certain amount may be a little to you but a lot to someone else ... at a minimum there will be one vial of blood drawn ... and who knows if the nurse screws up during the blood draw ...
LOL for someone so concerned with the FACTS, you don't seem to be stating any yourself.
Mayweather could be the fighter tested closer to the fight for all we know.
If Mayweather gets tested closer to the fight then that is an advantage for Mosley. These test do have the potential to take away energy and time from a fighter. fact
And just because the blood test does not effect you does not mean it will not effect someone else. fact
It is not a glucose test. It is not a prick of blood. There will be at least one vial of blood taken.
Okay say it does affect them and Mayweather is tested closer to the fight...
Why not make a thread saying - "Mayweather is gonna be blood drained on fight night"?
Both fighters know the risks and the benefits. Both agreed and have no problems with it at all.
For some reason you do. Can't figure out why...
u made zero points in ur previous reply ...
all u said was "oh its not that much blood"
that is an opinion
someone has already said that ...
read through the thread to make sure u dont repeat someone else who got owned
Your stupidity is throwing me off here. I can't tell if you're being serious or not.
Mosley is not donating a pint of blood. It is a blood test. I've had one when I was 14 and I felt no effects whatsoever.
Mosley is a 38 year old adult male athlete, and a tube of blood will not effect him - EVEN IF he has a test close to the fight.
As I said earlier, Mayweather could be having the test closer to the fight than Mosley. Can you refute that?
One of the funniest threads on NSB in a while. Pactards are funny.
Based on their hate for Mayweather they twist the testing situation around any way they can to make him look bad, with 0 evidence to back up their claims.
Random testing is random, meaning it can take place at any time. So how the TS knows Mosley will be tested on fight night is a mystery.
Even if he is tested close to the fight he will not be blood drained! The effects of that small an amount of blood being taken will be very minimal for a fully grown adult male athlete, and will last at the most a couple of hours.
Mosley has agreed to the testing, he sees it as no problem and beneficial to the sport. So if he doesn't have a problem with it, why do you TS?
With the sorry, below average state of the heavyweight division at the moment, you're probably right.
I still think Haye has a great chance at beating him, though.
So you thought Haye struggled with Ruiz?
Haye got tagged a few times, but nothing worth talking about.
Haye completely dominated Ruiz, knocked him down 3/4 times, and forced Ruiz's corner to throw in the towel.
Haye went 4 weeks with no sparring for this fight, hence he wasn't as sharp as he could have been. Cut him some slack.
Haye doesn't have the workrate nor the defense to match the Klits. Heck after tonight's fight I even doubt his single-punch KO power. He needs to connect 4-5 hands to wobble his opponents at HW.
He has a tiny chance of scoring an early KO but he'd lose 9 out of 10 fights to either brother IMO.
You doubt his power at heavyweight.... even though he knocked down Ruiz in 30 seconds and another 3 times after that... and Ruiz has a great chin and hadn't been stopped in 14 years???
Don't see how you can doubt he has very good power in this division.
LOL you're joking right??
Possibly one of the best at the moment - which is pretty amazing considering he's only had 25 fights and only 4 fights at HW.
It was a BS stoppage I tells ya!
Ruiz was being dominated, taking some serious punishment and his corner threw in the towel, but..
BS stoppage! Damn Brits!
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You said Haye "made it look easy" against Ruiz. How did Wlad do against Chagaev and Chambers? Master class? Blew your mind away? Please tell me, how would you define those much superior performances against opponents much superior to Ruiz.
I agree, Wlad looked more impressive against those guys. Haye even admitted it wasn't a great performance against Ruiz - he didn't have great training, no sparring for 4 weeks before the fight, etc. I believe we will see a much better, sharper version of Haye against one of the Klits.
Previous fights aside, syles make fights, and all I'm trying to point out is that Haye's style will definitely cause some problems for Wlad. He is a different animal than, "fast" (lol) Eddie Chambers and slow, no power Chagaev. He is a credible threat and I can't see how the majority of Klit fans just hate on him and dismiss him as a nobody.
Haye was eating several rights from Ruiz. Had the pitcher been a Klit I'm sure David would have been KTFO.
He got hit, but at no point did he look in trouble, and definitely not rubbery legged.
Against the Klits, I think he will be more defensive minded and in much better condition than he was for this fight.
yes he struggled he had 52 opportunities to get him outta here and couldnt do it. he even resorted to chopping him behind the head. and each of the so called times he got tagged wouldve been a ko win for any legit heavyweight with power let alone the most accurate punchers on the hw planet in the klit bros. i peter hit him with any of those shots he wouldnt got past two. also the stoppage was bullshit. the ref knew he couldnt finish ruiz so he let him have it
First, Ruiz's corner threw in the towel.
Secondly, Ruiz hasn't been taken out by any heavyweight in 14 years.
Thirdly, Haye is going to get hit in a boxing match. Ruiz landed some shots, but nothing note worthy.
Fourthly, Haye wasn't in the best shape for this fight.
Seen it with both German and British commentary.
Didn't have any variance to my opinion on the fight whatsoever.
Commentary shouldn't affect your opinion on a fight if you have a brain of your own.
Well i thought the ref stopped the fight, I didn't know the corner threw in the towel. My bad. Ruiz deserved more than being stopped like that.
That's cool.
Haye was delivering some serious shots flush on Ruiz though. What's the point in taking that much punishment, with no chance of winning at all?
Hey why are you still ducking my post?
Because you would have to give Wlad credit, that's why, you are a pathetic hater, and an hypocrite to boot :lol1:
I stepped out for a second. Excuse me for having other things to do.
I am not taking anything away from Wlad, just questioning all the Klit fans who say Haye has no chance and will be an easy fight for both brothers - when if you look at it objectively, Haye has a lot of assets to cause some problems.
Haye wasn't in the best shape for the Ruiz fight, he hadn't sparred for 4 weeks before the fight - hence the reason he looked out of shape two weeks prior. Against Wlad or Vitali he will be in much better shape, and IMO has alot more going for him than their last opponents.
I'm a fan of the Klits. I think Wlad will have serious problems with Haye's power. That fight will come down to who will land first and whose got the balls to land first. I believe Haye will succeed in that. Against Vitali Haye will be in for a harder fight but still has a winning chance cause Vitali ain't any younger. I think Haye is a strong threat to both but I'd favor Vitali over Haye and Haye probably over Wlad.
Thank you! I agree with pretty much everything you said.
Glad to see a Klit fan with some sense.
Haye looked slow, sluggish, lazy, low workrate, looping wild amatuerish punches, terrible stamina, shitty defence, susceptible to jabs and right hands, bad balance, he was hurt and stunned by weak glancing shots.
Haye struggled and looked like shit against an old shot punching bag bum.
Steelhammer2010's response after Haye defeats one of the Klits.
Seriously, I wouldn't be suprised if he did that.... :ugh:
Any normal Haye fans, who realize defeating an age 38, slowed-down version of John Ruiz doesn't prove anything?
Ruiz hadn't had a decent win since 2004. :lol1:
Haye ducked Kevin Johnson, Tony Thompson and Eddie Chambers and chose to fight the shot Monte Barrett in the fall of 2008.
Haye ducked both Klitschkos and chose to fight the aging, ponderous Nicolay Valuev last year.
Now he beats an old slow version of Ruiz and some of his fans are saying he the best heavyweight ever. :lol1: :rofl:
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I agree, some Haye fans are going over board.
But give Haye a break, he's only had 4 fights at heavy and only 25 fights in total.
I just think he's already shown he's a good step up in quality to the guys the Klits have been fighting lately.
You don't think Haye will pose a threat to them?
Haye looked slow, sluggish, lazy, low workrate, looping wild amatuerish punches, terrible stamina, shitty defence, susceptible to jabs and right hands, bad balance, he was hurt and stunned by weak glancing shots.
Haye struggled and looked like shit against an old shot punching bag bum.
Either Klitschko easily destroys him.
I am SHOCKED, absolutely SHOCKED, that this is your opinion.
I think the way he beat Ruiz was impressive. He beat the shit out of him, dropped him (Although at least 1 or 2 of the KDs were questionable) and stopped him. But, I agree that beating Ruiz doesn't put Haye right at the top. If he was to beat Chagaev I don't think anyone could question his place as a top heavyweight.
I agree with the stamina, but what made you think he showed his chin problems in the fight? I don't recall Haye ever looking to be in trouble?
I've seen a few people claim Haye was hurt by some of Ruiz's shots. Don't know what fight they were watching lol. There was one occasion when Ruiz landed a shot and Haye bounced off the ropes to manouver himself out the way, making it look as if he was wobbled. Other than that, can't think of where they got that idea from.
But yea, I think the added size did cause him some stamina issues against Ruiz, but this can be worked on.