Any "normal" Klitschko fans here?

It's come to my attention that the majority of Klit bro fans on here are "not all there". So, I'm wondering if any Klit fans on here can somewhat redeem the piss poor reputation their fans have, and have a normal, logic filled discussion. Okay, so... After last night, even though it wasn't a perfect performance, Haye showed that he is a step up in level to the fat, slow, stationary fighters the Klits are used to facing. This isn't to say that Haye is amazing, it's more a testament to how bad a state the division is in at the moment. I believe Haye's speed, power and movement will cause problems for both brothers, especially when you couple that with the fact that the Klits aren't getting any younger, and you have to admit Haye is a dangerous fight for them. I keep seeing Klit fans pointing out how bad Haye is, and how he won't last 2 rounds with them. Can any Klit fans out there admit Haye will be a difficult fight, or at the very least be a more difficult fight than they've had in recent years?

Comments (20)

_JCHING_

Haye was eating several rights from Ruiz. Had the pitcher been a Klit I'm sure David would have been KTFO. He got hit, but at no point did he look in trouble, and definitely not rubbery legged. Against the Klits, I think he will be more defensive minded and in much better condition than he was for this fight.

16y ago

BattlingNelson

I think the way he beat Ruiz was impressive. He beat the shit out of him, dropped him (Although at least 1 or 2 of the KDs were questionable) and stopped him. But, I agree that beating Ruiz doesn't put Haye right at the top. If he was to beat Chagaev I don't think anyone could question his place as a top heavyweight. I agree with the stamina, but what made you think he showed his chin problems in the fight? I don't recall Haye ever looking to be in trouble? Haye took a lot of rights and on one occasion it looked to me as if it was only the ropes that kept him from going down. I also think that there was a couple of times you could see Haye's legs turn a little rubbery.

16y ago

BattlingNelson

I've seen a few people claim Haye was hurt by some of Ruiz's shots. Don't know what fight they were watching lol. There was one occasion when Ruiz landed a shot and Haye bounced off the ropes to manouver himself out the way, making it look as if he was wobbled. Other than that, can't think of where they got that idea from. But yea, I think the added size did cause him some stamina issues against Ruiz, but this can be worked on. Haye was eating several rights from Ruiz. Had the pitcher been a Klit I'm sure David would have been KTFO.

16y ago

_JCHING_

I think the way he beat Ruiz was impressive. He beat the shit out of him, dropped him (Although at least 1 or 2 of the KDs were questionable) and stopped him. But, I agree that beating Ruiz doesn't put Haye right at the top. If he was to beat Chagaev I don't think anyone could question his place as a top heavyweight. I agree with the stamina, but what made you think he showed his chin problems in the fight? I don't recall Haye ever looking to be in trouble? I've seen a few people claim Haye was hurt by some of Ruiz's shots. Don't know what fight they were watching lol. There was one occasion when Ruiz landed a shot and Haye bounced off the ropes to manouver himself out the way, making it look as if he was wobbled. Other than that, can't think of where they got that idea from. But yea, I think the added size did cause him some stamina issues against Ruiz, but this can be worked on.

16y ago

_JCHING_

You said Haye "made it look easy" against Ruiz. How did Wlad do against Chagaev and Chambers? Master class? Blew your mind away? Please tell me, how would you define those much superior performances against opponents much superior to Ruiz. I agree, Wlad looked more impressive against those guys. Haye even admitted it wasn't a great performance against Ruiz - he didn't have great training, no sparring for 4 weeks before the fight, etc. I believe we will see a much better, sharper version of Haye against one of the Klits. Previous fights aside, syles make fights, and all I'm trying to point out is that Haye's style will definitely cause some problems for Wlad. He is a different animal than, "fast" (lol) Eddie Chambers and slow, no power Chagaev. He is a credible threat and I can't see how the majority of Klit fans just hate on him and dismiss him as a nobody.

16y ago

T97

Yes, I think Chagaev-Haye would be interesting too, he's the only good HW in the WBA mess. If Haye beats Chagaev decisively I'll acknowledge him as a credible threat to the Klitschkos, but beating Ruiz who has not won a meaningful fight in forever does not impress me. I think the way he beat Ruiz was impressive. He beat the shit out of him, dropped him (Although at least 1 or 2 of the KDs were questionable) and stopped him. But, I agree that beating Ruiz doesn't put Haye right at the top. If he was to beat Chagaev I don't think anyone could question his place as a top heavyweight. I think Haye had a good win last night. I think he also showcased is porcelain chin as well as stamina problems. I mean he was huffin' and puffin' like an old steam train as early as round 5. I agree with the stamina, but what made you think he showed his chin problems in the fight? I don't recall Haye ever looking to be in trouble?

16y ago

chav

british and a klit fan, although always prefered vitali to wlad. haye isnt the next best thing by a country mile, he has serious fighters in front of him and doesnt wipe the floor clean against any of them....they are all hard fights. i fancy his chances again wlad, although if his head movement and his condition are like against ruiz i see wlad jabbing his head of before brutally knocking him out, vitali whist old is a warrior who can bang and take shots, but the truth is with haye he has a chance against them both and everyone knows that even though they might not admit it. do i see him as the saviour to the HW divison...maybe, but then there are some serious players that could easily shut his game plan down with his body shutting down from thunderous & murderous hard shots....game on....i think one thing we probably can mostly agree on, there is another person in the HW division that has it looking a bit more interesting, only time tells how it plays out but i'll be there or watching on tv

16y ago

Kulle

Is there any normal Haye fans out there? Oh wait, he is better than Ali or what? I would really like to see Haey face either of the K-bros but I doubt we will see that happening. If it happens, Haye's career is over. Especially if he dares to face VK. Vitali can be mean. ;)

16y ago

Pirao

I stepped out for a second. Excuse me for having other things to do. I am not taking anything away from Wlad, just questioning all the Klit fans who say Haye has no chance and will be an easy fight for both brothers - when if you look at it objectively, Haye has a lot of assets to cause some problems. Haye wasn't in the best shape for the Ruiz fight, he hadn't sparred for 4 weeks before the fight - hence the reason he looked out of shape two weeks prior. Against Wlad or Vitali he will be in much better shape, and IMO has alot more going for him than their last opponents. You said Haye "made it look easy" against Ruiz. How did Wlad do against Chagaev and Chambers? Master class? Blew your mind away? Please tell me, how would you define those much superior performances against opponents much superior to Ruiz.

16y ago

Random1

JCHING, I'll PM you a detailed analysis I wrote before the fight that wasn't between Wlad and Haye. It's really long so I won't bother the people here with it (hopefully I'm allowed a long PM). It's outdated now as there's new information out there, but I think you'll like how I balance stuff.

16y ago

_JCHING_

Haye, Froch, Yes.......??? :confused: lol..

16y ago

FloydTBE

Haye, Froch,

16y ago

_JCHING_

Hey why are you still ducking my post? Because you would have to give Wlad credit, that's why, you are a pathetic hater, and an hypocrite to boot :lol1: I stepped out for a second. Excuse me for having other things to do. I am not taking anything away from Wlad, just questioning all the Klit fans who say Haye has no chance and will be an easy fight for both brothers - when if you look at it objectively, Haye has a lot of assets to cause some problems. Haye wasn't in the best shape for the Ruiz fight, he hadn't sparred for 4 weeks before the fight - hence the reason he looked out of shape two weeks prior. Against Wlad or Vitali he will be in much better shape, and IMO has alot more going for him than their last opponents.

16y ago

tomjo

Although I do think Haye would give them a bit of trouble, I think he needs one or two fights to get himself more used to the division. He was a bit sloppy in parts, but all the other stuff was phenomenal. After he is completely used to the division, and he can take shots to the chin a bit better, then he can take them both. One or two more fights, that is all he needs.

16y ago

Pirao

Haye made it look easy, and if he was as bad as the Klit fans say he is, then it would have been a close fight or he would have lost - which some, (see my sig), thought would happen. Do any Klit fans think Haye poses any kind of threat? Hey why are you still ducking my post? If you think Haye made it look easy, you must think Wlad put on master classes against Chambers and Chagaev too, yes? He lost 2 rounds against Ruiz, Wlad lost 0 rounds against his last 2 top 5 opponents, and finished both. Haye poses no threat to Vitali, he has a puncher's chance against Wlad and that's about it. Because you would have to give Wlad credit, that's why, you are a pathetic hater, and an hypocrite to boot :lol1:

16y ago

Ivansmamma

I am a fan of Vitali. He is a warrior who comes to fight, who can take a punch and dosen't quit most of the time. I don't like Wlad.

16y ago

Ray

I think Haye had a good win last night. I think he also showcased is porcelain chin as well as stamina problems. I mean he was huffin' and puffin' like an old steam train as early as round 5. TBH I cannot see him have chance against vitali and against Wlad well..... If he doesn't KO the ukrainian inside the first round he's fucked. I agree with everything, Haye looked like he had stamina issues from the 4 round on, I was surprise because he hasnt shown us that in his last couple of fights, I still feel he has limited chance against Vitali but against Wlad i give him a much much more better chance especially in the first 3 rounds but after that its Jab Jab jab and over IMO.

16y ago

KJB

I like them. They are only to two most dominant fighters in the entire sport, taking on all challengers and leaving them destroyed in their wake. Kinda hard to to appreciate that.

16y ago

Ray

Klit fans are 2 or 3 on alts. I have looked at it, and have come to realsie all hate Haye, but like other UK white fighters. The reason I believe they are alts, because some say Klit's are exciting as hell. Then they log on another account and say Arreola is more exciting to not sound like hypocrites. They rarely quote each other or post at the same time either. Well i notice that longtime ago, for example DIRK DIGGLER alway claimed to be a Haye fan, He would spot a Haye Avatar etc to make it look genuine but then he would agree with everything that a Klits fan says about Haye.. Then i found these...http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/bendirs/2008/12/haye.html#P.... And you could see a post named IRONDIRKDIGGLER..showing us how much he hated Haye..

16y ago

BattlingNelson

16y ago