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I have to admit taylor fought a lot better this time around in the early rounds compared to his recent fights but Pavlik's heart and right hand was just too much for Taylor. I was pulling for Taylor but the fight was stopped right when it was supposed to be stopped. Taylor was knocked out on his feet and the ref who was inches away from them could see what was going on better than any of us. Ref, Well Done. http://www.smh.com.au/ffximage/2007/09/30/kellypavlik_wideweb__470x323,0.jpg

The fight was a VERY close fight and an excellent bout at that. It couldv'e gone either way imo. I was surprised by Cotto's speed and surprised that Mosley was backing him up in the final rounds... Both Won imo.

Somebody mustv'e been high to call the mosley/cotto fight a "disapointment"! It was a hell of a fight , imo. Way better than the crap Mayweather and Delahoya gave us. Fight was a very close fight and couldv'e gone either way.

I rarely let a fighter being annoying or an asshole affect how I like them as fighters. Some of my favorites: Sugar Ray Robinson- the guy used to beat up his wife and kids. Mike Tyson- no comment necessary. Joe Louis- almost killed his mistress in a domestic argument. Diego Corrales- incarcarated for beating his pregnant wife Bernard Hopkins- the way he treated and talked about Bouie Fisher was pretty cruel. Julio Cesar Chavez- had a reputation for being an asshole. ...And we're such perfect little saints. Hypocrisy at its best. You are aware that these athletes are human beings, right? I don't know about the rest of ya, but I shed out my money to watch these guys fight in the ring...not what they do behind closed doors.

Oh yea..Floyd's the role model alright. A frickin woman beater.. A guy who's also narcissistic obnoxious and boisterous. Is that Class?? This immatured man goes out and talks bad about his own father in public. If he doesn't get along with his father or what have you...that's his personal business, and he shouldn't go around bashing his father. Good or Bad, that man is his father. Keep your dirty laundry to yourself and stop crying. Is that Class?? Where's this guy's integrity or principles. Whenever a journalist questions his methods, he can't disagree without being disrespectful and throwing rants at people. Is that Class? Hatton vs Floyd aside, Last thing i heard about him in the news was he got into another scuffle in another bar or club. Is that Class?? People try and bring up Ali's name to this topic, which should be very offensive to him, stating Ali did the same thing as Floyd... lol True ALi talked and talked, and he also mostly backed up what he stated. Ali also spoke for his people. Ali would go everywhere around the world to help the poor or minorities. He was a humanitarian, a politician, poet etc.. He had Charisma and loved to give the crowd or audience the entertainment they deserved. Floyd loves Floyd..that's it. A rebel without a cause..or should I say a rebel without a clue. Is that Class act?? Very cocky arrogant and Insecure of himself in the same time. You think someone who's secure of oneself finds it necessary to throw money at a camera to convince the people how rich he is..lol In the ring: Telling people he is the best of ALL TIME. :lame: Ali might've said he's the greatest but he himself said that the ony boxer that could've truly beaten him if he was a heavyweight was Sugar Ray Robisnon. Brother, if Floyd wants to be even considered one of the All time greats..he has to atleast be accepted by the majoriy of boxing fans , have journalists kissing his behind, the media and tv hosts inviting him to shows such as Leno or Larry King and have his own crowd that fills up the seats. A skilled and talented boxer he is...best of THIS era I admit. It's just too bad he doesn't have rivals that equals his talent like the way Leonard had Duran, Hearns, Hagler etc. Or Ali had Frazier, Foreman, Norton..Delahoya had Trinidad, Mosley, Whitaker, Vargas...etc It may not be Floyd's fault that we have a lacking of all time great canidates in Floyd's division but it doesn't change the fact that's one of the main reasons he hasn't been truly tested. Anyway, if that's today's role model...you can have him. I'm just glad I lived and grew up in the early 80's and had plenty of role models to look up to.

Hatton's people say this fight will be like Duran vs Leonard1..fighter beating the slick boxer. Some other people think it might be like Meldrick Taylor vs Chavez...another fighter beating the quick boxer at the last minute. But, I beg to differ.. Duran beat Leonard in their 1st bout because Leonard took a risk by fighting Duran's fight. Same thing with Taylor vs Chavez..Taylor wanting to show his "machismo" by squaring off with Chavez in the last round was another mistake. This won't happen to Floyd. Why? Mayweather never fights anybody's fight or takes risks, he comes in with his usual style , sticks to his game plan, makes his opponent fight his fight and plays it safe till the end of the fight. Only thing going for Hatton is his Heart and Desire. And this by no means will be like Gatti vs Floyd. Floyd fought a walking dead man that night. Gatti that night had no will like in his other fights and quite frankly didn't put up much of a fight. Prediction: Floyd's style will be too much for Hatton..though Hatton's desire and heart will keep him going. A lot of misses, wide punches and clinches by agressive Hatton. Sure, hatton might win a few rounds but that's it. Floyd will play it safe by fighting him on the outside using his reach, speed and pot shot routine. Floyd winning by decision that's if Floyd doesn't stop him first by tko due to cuts. Hatton is capable of beating Floyd...in a phone booth! :rolleyes: But in the ring, Floyd will have enough space to Pot Shot and move in the fight. Floyd wasn't stupid by taking this fight.

@ 21 i think Jr. still has the license to fight Cab drivers. Maybe he can step it up @24 Fighters optimum/Prime comes on different age. Vargas was shot @25 ( more of the mental aspect ) Tyson was champ @20 Benitez was champ @ 17 or 18 PAC was champ @ 19 Morales was downhill from 29 Lennox Lewis' prime was when he was already 35 IMO Evander thinks he can be undesputed @44, 45 :puppy_dog and so on..... so if jr's handlers feels that he's not ready yet then they might be right. Point is...Those guys didn't win 33 pro fights or make it far by fighting only cab drivers. Vargas had no business being in the ring with Tito who was the Tyson of the welter and jr midddle div at that time (who imo was the begining of the end for vargas) but Vargas could've continued fighting guys like Winky who's not heavy handed or former champs with more experience instead of Tito. And that's what's going to happened to Chavez jr if he only continues to fight cabbies...if not worse. He needs a boost, he needs someone that will test him and challenge him in the ring that will take him the full 12 rounds..He needs someone in his league not below or above. That is how he will get the real experience he needs for the big shots. You're suppossed to climb up the steps of the ladder, not stay in one place.

If he wasn't 21 years old, I'd agree. But you're asking him to become a second coming of Fernando Vargas......and take his place as the most precocious fighter in the history of boxing. Sure he'll eventually fight better opponents. Nobody "steps it up" at 21 years old, it's unheard of. End of story. Are you new to boxing?? You ever heard of Floyd Patterson, Kid Chcoclate, Tyson, Benitez, Trinidad.. etc... Those guys won titles at age 21 and under. But i'm not talking about Titles, i'm just saying Chavez jr should step up a notch or two to challenge himself. He has 33 wins..it's about time to move up to the Garbage truck drivers and forget the cab drivers. And stop bringing up his age...YES HE"S 21 a young ADULT!!!!! He's not 12!!

he needs this he needs that, stfu already, what he needs is what he's doing, taking it slow. if anyone here has ever been a fighter you know you need a good amature career to learn everything, if you don't then it won't work unless you do what they are doing with jr. everyone wants him to have big fights against better opponents already, why? he's still in that learning stage. look at oscar, he had something like 200 fights in the amatures, jr has 33 fights total, and you idiots are wondering why he's going slow? you guys are either stupid or don't know shit about the process of making it as a prize fighter. now i will give you this, he should have done the amature thing, but he did'nt, so he's doing the next best thing there is,going slow. i think he has the potential to be one of the greats, but it will take time. from the fights i've seen he's been learning alot fast, so in the next 5 years he will be one of the top names. so give the kid a break, stop hating, at least he's trying If he has no amatuer fights...guess who's fault is that?? If he's still in the learning stages and needs to go slow...then he should be fighting in Fair park gyms and not on tv..especially on the ppv undercard receiving airtime and money for fighting cabbies while the rest has to earn it the hard way. That's why Boxing is mesed up today. Boxers can pick any opponents suitable for them...outprice themselves in order to avoid a confrontation... Become professional even though they're not..lol I wish Boxing was more like Baseball or Football where you have to earn your professionalism!! Not become professional only to use it as a training course and of course making money off of it doesn't hurt either. Problem is we have too many die hard cheerleading Jr fans that are willing to turn a blind eye to the situation , make excuses for him and not point out the mistakes. People now a days mistake constructive criticism with "hating". I'm not hating on anyone and i'm only speaking for myself. Chavez jr has talent and decent skills but needs to be tested every once in awhile to keep him sharp before moving to the next level. It's called common sense.

It's not about age...yes your right but it is about money. That was a very naive post, making things out to be very simplistic and forgeting the business aspect of the game. Chavez Jr. handlers understand that one loss can not only kill this kids confidence at such an early age but postpone a big payday which is why every prospect is handled the way they are. Remember that this guy is a Profesional boxer now..not an amateur! He's a big boy now and should know that sometimes you win and sometimes you lose! That's what being a "professional" is all about. Yes it's about money and it's our money that's going in to his pockets for fighting clowns. If he needed time to gain confidence or what have you then he shouldv'e stayed in the amatuers. And no sir..not every prospect is handled that way..only the ones using their father's names. Remember Camacho jr, they fed him cab drivers and never tested himself.. the result..he couldn't handle an experienced veteran. The biggest obstacle facing Chavez Jr. is his name and fathers legacy. I agree that the biggest obstacle facing jr living up to his father's legacy See, if he was just some "other" Mexican fighter, people might say, "Oh, he's pretty good and I would like to see what he can do in the future". Don't agree.. If I looked at any other up-and-coming fighter disregarding race or ethnicity with JC Jr.'s record, but without his name, and without all the TV appearances, then i'd probably not pay much attention to him. After all, boxers have to accomplish something in the ring to be recognized. JC Jr. is being recognized because of his father's name, not his boxing accomplishments. His lone draw and subsequent rematch have been his toughest tests. Yet, no one is in a hurry to continue to improve the level of his opposition. Promoters would rather milk the cow till she's dry. Since he's the son of a legend, the scrutiny on him is immense. People instead say, "He's nothing like his father and only getting by on his father's name, he will never be like his father". It's way too early to know if he will ever live up to his father's legacy. Only time will tell. So far, ChavezJr doesn't have dad's punching power, and he gets hit more than Senior ever did. Probably because, being so tall, it takes much longer for him to get out of the way of punches. Chavez Sr. could simply dip this way or that, because he wasn't as big of a target. Who knows? Maybe Junior will grow into a middleweight monster, complete with punching power and physical strength. But if the experience isn't there to handle former champions or elites..if he only has the experience from beating up on cab drivers...he won't last long. It's almost a lose, lose situation for Chavez Jr. and it's a shame because the kid does have skills and I'm sure being brought up in that household, he doen't lack heart either. Only time will tell if he will turn out to be a good fighter, will he ever live up to what his father was? I doubt that ANYONE will. It is a shame that we have a kid with talent, good skills and is not being tested every now and then to bring out his full potential and earn experience. If I was senior(who knows a lot about the business) I would advice my son to take on a new trainer like Emanuel Steward , Steward knows a thing or two about tall, lanky fighters. Chavez Sr at one time hired him for a couple of his own fights.

HE'S TWENTY FUCKING ONE YEARS OLD AND HE LACKED AN AMATEUR CAREER. Who is he supposed to fight right now? Miguel Cotto? Nope...he supposed to fight Superman and Spiderman with one hand tied behind his back. :ugh: RunW/Knives, I will repeat myself one more time...i've already explained that he should now consider to fight other prospect contenders, former 'washed up' champs that could give the young little innocent child better ring experience. I'm not saying that he should fight The #1 Champion Title Holder of the world...i'm simply only stating that he should just move up a level or two in opposition. Can you comprehend that? I`m not putting him down or hating on him..It's called giving a "Constructive Criticism".

Maybe this so called "young boy" shouldn't be in a man's sport. He should either Man up and step up to the plate or go play soccer and call it a night.

Nobody's hating on Morales, Marquez, Diaz, Barrera etc Anyway, we're talking about Chavez jr..right? Not all of Mexico. That's a whole different topic and thread. Chavez jr should follow the same paths as the fighters I mentioned above. Margarito..Tough son of bitch who can give anybody trouble, is a perfect example of someone Chavez jr shouldn't follow career wise.

Quit Hating on Chavez Jr................. i say guys need to quit hyping Jr. young or not, most certainly unproven, and spoon fed opponents. this is a classic case where a record is over shadowing the fact that he's been put into fights that he can and should win. although it's a building process and it's obvious that it is, there is no reason to even consider Jr. a legitimate prospect or contender until he steps up his competition. i will say that he is getting better but if it weren't for specialized judging and favoritism in match making, he'd already have a loss or two on his record and thats a fact. chavez jr's record is disguised to make him look better than he really is. they're trying to make him legitimate while he's learning, its a spin, and it appears to be working on some/most. until he steps up the competition and wins one of those fights on his own, lighten up on the hyping of Jr., it's too soon to be given this untested, protected kid any real credit. if his record was built up in the south where the commissions and the competition is weaker maybe it would be more clear to everyone and more people would be on the same page, but since his people are smart and having him fight softies all over and they have him fighting often, with putting the spin on everything, he looks great to those who want to have someone fill in his fathers place. Finally someone with a little common sense responds.

great post man. age has nothing to do with it. so many fighters turn pro at a young age. he has 33 wins. its time to step up. its not about how many wins its bout quality wins. i can build up my career by fighting bums and look good doing it. but what happens if i build my career up so much like jr and fight someone worth fighting and get blitzed in a couple of rounds. those wins before that dont mean shit Exactly... Prince Naseem Hamed sounds familiar? Prince might've had better opposition than Chavez jr but my point is Prince wasn't ready for the likes of Barrera. It's happend to Prince and plenty other boxers out there. They try to build up their record and then when it comes down to fighting a real opponent...boom. Ray Leonard doesn't have a large impressive record but he fought the best and his resume' speaks for itself. My point is, records only look good with credible good opponents attached to them.

Let's quit bringing race and or ethnicity into the subject. I have plenty admiration and respect for fighters like Chavez sr, Sal Sanchez, Duran, Arguello, Gavilan ,Trinidad, Rivera..Benitez etc... There's no reason to HATE on latin fighters. That being said - Chavez jr needs to start challenging himself by fighting better opposition and enough with fighting cab drivers. Age? has nothing to do with it. Examples: Wilfred Benitez won his first Title at 17... Floyd Patterson won the WORLD Title at 21.. Tyson at 21, Vargas at 21, DeLahoya won two titles in two different divisions at 21 etc etc Those guys didn't ruin their careers by winning titles at an early age. Vargas ruined his career by taking on elite champions one after the other without taking tune up fights. But anyway, Age is not the case here and neither is him not fighting for titles. He can't fight for titles because quite frankly he doesn't look ready. Why?? He's not fighting decent enough good opponents to get him there. Chavez jr needs to be tested and challenged every once in awhlie. Chavez jr has been a professional now for two years going on three. For his own good, he needs to raise the level on the quality of oppostion he's fighting. Start fighting ex champs or up and coming prospects. There is where he will find the experience and the stripes he needs. Bums and Cab drivers are only good at first to get self confidence and some self recognition. He should be fighting guys like Alfonso Gomez, Pauli Malinaggi, Teddy Reid, Eduardo Snachez, and then Carlos Baldomir in the end before taking on the Big guys on top. It only took Paul Malignaggi 18 fights before he hit his first title fight and it only took Cotto 13 fights before his...Chavez jr already fought 33 guys and he's still not even ready. I don't blame Chavez jr..I blame his corner.

As good as that fight may sound- I think it's a little premature to discuss Pac vs hatton... way too early imo, lets wait until they get through their fights in 2008 and if they are still on top come 2009 then we should get anxious and excited.