Agree, it all depends on what Spence has left and his preparation because Tim is a bang average fighter.
That's crazy when considering before the cut Tyszu was whooping Fundora in their first fight. That cut and loss really seemed to affect him.
Much respect to Errol Spence Jr., but I would not favor him in a matchup of this caliber. If he's the favorite I'd definitely take the underdog. He hasn't fought in 3 years for a reason. He's not the same. And fighting now is just a money grab and not a real attempt to try and revive his career.
I believe he suffered too much trauma in that accident. Combine that with the tough bouts he had with Crawford and even Ugas and he should just retire. I suppose him seeing Keith Thurman comeback gives him some motivation.
You must have got your diploma from the Al Haymon school of boxing...
The Kid turned down $4 million a fight over 10 fights for 5 years.. He won't make half that with Haymon fighting bum after bum, which he will be doing for a while.
Al Haymon must be a killer cause these dudes are running away from big money to stay with his azz.... Broner vs TBA coming in March...enjoy...
I don't see why you don't understand that that contract cripples his earning potential and flexibility as a fighter. What if within those 10 fights, say the 5th fight, he becomes a unified belt holder. Lets say Jay Z makes huge fights for him. Lets just say as an example he eventually fights Mayweather, Pacquiao, Danny Garcia, Amir Kahn and Lucas Matthsye, how much money do you think those fights are worth? I know the example is to the extreme but it's just an illustration.
If he signs to fight 2 fights a year and he gets these fights, he'd be getting robbed. And he'd be locking himself up in a contract crippling his earning potential if he becomes a star. He's already known by quite a few people. If he wins the right fights, its not hard for AB to become a PPV attraction. In fact since everyone " compares " him to Mayweather due to his flashy attitude, **** talking, and shoulder roll, it's a good time for him to try to become the next hated star.
Now what if he does and has the opportunity to make even a quarter of what Mayweather has made per fight? No he'd be locked up in a contract making the same amount for the next 5 years. It's an insult to a guy who wants to be a star and PPV attraction. Andre Ward didn't have much of a choice. As good as he is, and he is clearly one of the best, he's not really an attraction right now. More general fans know who Broner is, they probably have no idea who Ward is. He cant even sell out in his own hometown.
Boxing needs guys like Broner assuming he actually performs and wins fights. Negative publicity is what sells. It gets peoples attention. That's how Mayweather takes advantage of the US. People watch the guy because they want to watch him lose because he's ****y and talks ****. If you had a bunch of blue collar boxers, how is that good for boxing?
So I believe in the future Broner could actually, and Im not giving it too high of a percentage, but he could actually become the next PPV star. Same with Thurman. He has a style that could make him a PPV star. He gets lots of KOs so far. He boast of his power and skills. And if he wants he can start saying a bunch of dumb **** to make people hate him and want him to lose. If these guys sign these contracts it's basically an insult. Its like they're saying " I know for a fact I wont ever be a big star in the sport so I'll take what I can get ". It's an insult to a fighter who definitely has the potential to make more than 40 million over 5 years. These guys are marketable and have a shot to make more than that.
I swear, if you start paying attention to posters who talk about business a lot, you start to notice they don't actually have any clue what they're talking about.
How many of those contracts have a predetermined amount the fighters make over a period of time? Or isn't each contract for each fight worked out differently? For instance lets say Bob Arum signs Pacquiao for a 2 year deal. Does Pacquiao have a predetermined amount he makes or a percentage he has to pay to Arum?
I know I just seen Mayweather sign a large contract to Showtime for a number of fights. But if Im not mistaken I don't think those fights have a predetermined amount he makes for each fight. In fact it depends on revenue of the fight is that right?
I mean Im no expert. But I've been watching boxing and I haven't seen lots of fighters lock themselves up for a predetermined amount of fights and a predetermined amount of money.
Actually when you think about it that offer was insulting. Maybe everyone doesn't take the time to think hard about it. Why would he lock himself up to Jay Z for 5 years? Even if he's not going to make that much money, it's not an ideal situation. You guys are right. I haven't seen any boxing contracts like that. All that would do is make him Jay Z's *****.
I think he has aspirations is being a PPV star like Canelo is trying to be soon when Mayweather retires. Someone will have to carry the torch. I agree he's not that talented as he thought. But what if he works harder at what he failed at and becomes the next star up? It would be insulting because eventually he could be to the point where he'd make 8 mil a fight or more. Signing with Jay Z now means he wouldn't even have the opportunity to try and become that kind of star. He'd just be Jay Z's ***** until he was done with the contract. It's like serving a jail sentence and being paid for it. But having no control over the work you do. He'd have to fight whoever Jay Z set up for him until the contract was done. Its not an ideal move.
He makes decent money now. And he's trying to cash out now and land a big fight. I think he has to take a risk and fight someone like a Maidana or a Matthsye or Garcia. If he can somehow secure one of those fights and win, this is where the campaign of being a PPV star can start. The same thing can be said about Keith Thurman. It would be foolish for these fighters who plan on being stars to lock themselves up. 1 or 2 solid fights and they are in line to be stars.
I'm still not sure how true this is. I'd like to see it on some major news outlet. But I seen something that explained why he looked like he just smoked a blunt before he got to the arena. That s*** was concerning how he looked.
I was like he does not look like he's going into the most difficult fight of his life. Read the look was due to his neurological condition. I'll wait to see but man I hope this isn't true.
Outside of inadvertently taking away from Crawfords dominating performance, the guy could've been killed or put in a coma. But I swore they examine these guys before the fights. I'll wait to see how true this is.
Thurman still top dog, but he doesn`t beat Pacquiao, Crawford and Spence. He will lose when he fights them.
I think the only guy who would worry Thurman is Spence. He destroys Pacquiao. Crawford hasn't beat any legit WW to be worried about him.
This sort of **** pains me. Has anyone researched this? The guy lost 7 times. He's 34. His most significant win is against a shot fighter who he was down on all cards before he caught him with a shot with his mouth open. He gets credit for the win. But he got lucky vs a shot guy. Hes not even a ko fighter. Its not like he was setting ortiz up for the ko. Even if thurman took 4 years off he would destroy this guy. If he had some sort of power i would say ok he has a shot. This guy is a 140 lber. He's just tall and couldn't make the weight. The question isnt rather thurman wins but its how he looks and what round if any does he get him outta there. 100 bucks on a dream. Nah. In boxing we have these upsets but its usually some undefeated fighter from some poor country getting a shot. Prime example indongo. Those are the guys you put money on facing some rising prospect the jury is still out on. Not someone we know is a C level fighter taking on someone who beat 2 of the top WWs in the division. Id say Porter and Garcia were top 5. And he won convincingly to me. Save your money. Oh even that pablo Cano fight was worthy because if you know boxing you know Cano wasnt horrible and he was the bigger man. So at least he had some advantage. This guy lopez has zero advantage. Reach the same, older, no power, no chance.
Agree. Josesito was stopped with Canelo, Maidana, Berto. If he says Thurman is nothing special, than it must be the truth.
Laughable. Lopez had 1.5 good rounds vs a guy coming back from a pretty serious injury. A guy who hasn't fought in nearly 2 years. He lost just about every round.
If he fights Thurman pre injury he gets stopped easy. He's overlooking the facts. 1 good round don't mean a guys overrated.
Lol, he couldn`t even destroy Josesito Lopez.
Best guys Thurman destroyed are Soto Karass and old Collazo.
Why don't you go and lift weights every week for 10-15 years, injure your hand and elbow, then stop for 2 years. Now when you lift weights again for the 1st time will you lift that 225 like it was yesterday? Prob not. Eh but maybe after a few months of it, if you had strength to begin with, it comes back.
His 2nd fight will be much better. Also he destroys Pacquiao because it's a poor matchup. Thurman can and will box and land powerful shots. Pacquiao not the power puncher he was in the past who can overcome the skill and power. He gets retired if he fights Thurman.
Pacquiao aint dumb though. He would rather fight Mayweather. He can't beat any of the top guys at WW including Thurman. And if he fights one of them he risk getting seriously hurt. It happened to Adonis Stevenson unfortunately.
I think maybe he's made enough because there isn't any money fights for him at his age that's worth risking his health. Thurman will kill that guy. Btw he beat Lopez pretty bad. You guys seem to think 1 round of success that didnt even result in a knockdown negates 10-11 rounds of dominance. Clear dominance.
Garcia and Porter fights were before injury. And it were a close decision fights. Last man Thurman destroyed was Collazo. So I don`t know what makes you think Thurman can DESTROY pacquiao, lol.
He's a bad matchup for Pacquiao. He's 10 years younger, he's stronger, and bigger. He's also better technically at this point in their careers. I don't think it would be close. Just like this Lopez fight wasnt close.
Thurman would stay on the outside box and land bombs. Also work the body. He's too good a fighter even after a layoff for a 40 year old undersized WW to beat. I doubt Pacquiao can be competitive with any of the top WWs.
What’s amazing here is people don’t understand the levels to this boxing game. Thurman has skill power and a balanced attack but what I witnessed was a chin issue and just good basics good but not special. I would give Pacquiao a shot if not hurt, and pick Crawford or Spence by KO if he were to fight either. Thurman is more talk than bite for sure!
You consider getting caught flush with a left hook which is Lopez best and only legitimate punch a chin issue? He's been down once in his career. It was a well placed punch. There is levels. And one of them is being able to get hit and survive. Which he did. Anybody can be hurt in boxing. He fought bigger punchers than Lopez man. Garcia's left hook way more power. How come no knockdown? Porter physically bigger stronger than Lopez. You guys take one punch or one round and run with it.
Do you think he wants a good undercard for the FANS? You obviously don't have a clue about Mayweather. He wants a good undercard because he's insecure and his fragile ego will be severely hurt. Without a good undercard for the upcoming Maidana fight, it wouldn't even do 700k buys and he won't be able to brag anymore.
Damn idiot. Mayweather could eclipse 700k with just him and Maidana and no undercard. It is a good thing he's doing by putting together great undercards. Especially the Matthyse vs Garcia fight which EVERYONE wanted to see.
Amir Kahn vs Broner would make a great fight and I'd take Broner because he's proven he can take a punch. Kahn not so. Matthyse would be a dangerous fight for the young Thurman. Plus Matthyse would have to move up. But that would be a ridiculous card. Just leave J Leon Love off the card because he's never impressive in any of his fights so far.
You dumb asses hate Mayweather so much that you dont even give him props for obvious things he does. The guy is not perfect but he's been dominating the sport for 17 years. And he's still making great fights and giving fans what they want to see. Im glad he didn't take the Kahn fight because who wanted to see that ****?
When I first heard of the fight you can look in my prior posts and find I didn't believe he was that inept to do such a fight. Then I heard rumors Kahn was favored and I was like wow, that would be a big step back for Mayweather claiming to fight the best out there. Because Kahn does not deserve a mayweather fight for barely escaping a fight with a journeyman.
I hope Mayweather continues to make the best cards and give young guys opportunities to make a name for themselves. There's no better card to make a name for yourself than on Mayweather's card. Ask Canelo.
Half these guys are just casual fans. Heard the same **** about roy jones. He made everyone look regular. Then they said he didn't fight anyone. Same **** diff day. To me if floyd beats canelo that's a wrap. If he doesn't fight him at 154 he's scared period. He claimed fighting people at their comfortable weight was what he did. Why drain canelo? Besides I think floyd wasn't focused and was sloppy. He also wanted to go toe to toe which isn't his fight. His father seen he had trouble with cotto because of that. So he thinks he should stay at 147. Floyd will be fine if he fights his fight at 154. Ill lose much respect for floyd if he wants to drain canelo. Then we can say he's ducking.
The notion that Terence Crawford actually has doubters is a complete fiction. Insignificant individuals use forums and comment sections on social media and the internet in general to try to make themselves feel significant. Whether y’all believe what you put out there or not it makes you feel important to be able to affect the narrative. And the actual media eats it up because affecting the narrative is what gives them power and keeps all of y’all coming back for more. The truth doesn’t sell basically. So keep on internet pretending and social media narrative bending. But the proof is in the pudding and we all know that Terence Crawford is the absolute best right now. He’s the man to beat and any conversation about who is the best in boxing right now is centered around him. Hate it or love it. Openly accept it or try to spin it. But no one truly doubts it.
Is this is a serious comment? If this is serious this is one of the dumbest I've read in awhile. You'd have to be a complete idiot to believe there's no doubt or doubters. He hasn't beat a significant 147 lb fighter since he moved up. He fought someone who already had their face broken, someone who got shot in the leg, and some other guy who had a great nickname in mean machine but no one ever heard of. Only an idiot would refuse to acknowledge doubt.
this is laughable. Trout has proven to be nothing but a journeyman in his career and canelo eeked by him. Cotto was 35 with 2 ko losses (beaten by plaster and a non drug tested prime pac) and looked to be 2 weight classes smaller in the ring and again, it was a competitive fight. Lara was a good win but canelo really didn’t even deserve to win that fight. Spence was a top 5 p4p fighter who was undefeated and got utterly destroyed by Crawford. Canelo has never dominated an elite fighter. I would say nice try but that would be giving you too much credit as your reply was ridiculous.
You're nit-picking what you can but have no relevant point. It's not debatable but you think it is.
Canelo went and fought the best guy in his division that was destroying everyone 2 times before he cleaned out 168. Then fought him again. It took Crawford his whole career to fight Spence. A couple car crashes and eye surgeries later. And you're blaming it on " entitlement ". What a clown show
Let it go. Crawford's opponents compared to Canelo are shitty. Youre embarrassing yourself here. I heard a lot on these boards but comparing Crawford and Canelos resume by far the Dumbest shit ever.
lmao that’s not true. If he beats Madrimov he’s got Ortiz, tsyzu, fundora, he could go to 160 and win a belt there tbh 160 is barren I think he’d have an easier time winning a belt there than keeping one at 154.
You do realize this man is turning 37 right? Move up to 160? It's laughable there are people who exist that believe he could best Canelo at 168. He's not a defensive master like Mayweather was. He's going to get hit by the hardest puncher 3 divisions up from his weight class. It's a money grab at best which is why Canelo isn't interested. He can make money without Crawford. And he won't get credit for the win.
You guys are gassing this man up after dominating a clearly faded Spence Jr. Crawfords never looked that good in a fight. Kel Brook and Porter gave him some good rounds. I'm not saying he's not good, but he's not as good as he looked vs Spence Jr. That was more a product of a slowly deteriorating Spence Jr. when you do the math. And that's his best win.
In case you haven't noticed, its tough for him to clean out the division because he can't get fights: Sturm practically paid off the WBA not to enforce a GGG fight, Geale made an excuse about not wanting to interfere with Aussie TV ratings and your cowardly hero Quillin admitted he wants nothing to do with any top fighter. Martinez could have fought GGG but opted to fight Cotto instead.
I'll bet your stupid ass was praying for Stevens to knock him out :lol1:
So you still haven't addressed why GGG said he wanted to clean out 160 yet is about to take a fight with Chavez Jr and not Ward. Perhaps because he seen that Chavez Jr has a following and is a lot more beatable than Ward. Hey I understand it's a business. He's probably going to make more money on that fight and he'll probably win it.
You guys at one end are saying that Stevenson switched networks to avoid a fight. Now we all know Floyd Mayweather doesn't want to deal with Arum and as long as Pacquiao is with Top Rank the fight is pretty much virtually impossible to make. Can I say Pacquiao is ducking Mayweather since he resigned with Top Rank knowing that Mayweather refuses to deal with Arum?
So this guy resigned with Top Rank, knows that Mayweather doesn't want to deal with Arum, yet Manny calls Mayweather out to make the fight. Maybe if he was serious about the fight he would've thought about being his own boss and making the fight?
So if you're saying Adonis Stevenson is ducking Kovalev(the guy knocking out a bunch of bums doesn't merit much reason to duck him), then we would also have to say Manny Pacquiao is ducking Mayweather. Of course that's not the case right? No sure it's the other way around. Mayweather is afraid of a guy who hasn't knocked anyone out in I dont know when. And who took a power nap on the canvas vs a lightweight. Sure that makes sense. Just like Stevenson is shaking in his shoes to go against a guy who so far has shown he has power. Well Stevenson has one punch power too. Power isn't the only thing you need to win fights man. You **** with these guys that can hit you hard and not get hit back, you get a reality check. Ask Canelo, Donaire, and JCC about that.
Guerrero is a tough fighter. But that's about it. He has a good chin which is probably the best thing about him. He doesn't move quick, have great power, box smart, etc. He's just a tough competitor. Thurman is a boxer puncher in every sense of the word. He will move around and not fight Guerrero on the inside. So this fight will look similar to Guerrero vs Mayweather. Except for Thurman will hit him with some real power and get him outta there. Just go to the body and that dude is finished.
Its not about mayweather fighting manny. That fight is not getting made anytime soon. Outside of a miracle. But mayweather claims he wants to fight the best. Now it looks to me he's trying to take easy low risk fights. I guess to secure paydays before retiring.
I guess that's why he's trying to stack his undercard. Because kahn isn't going to attract that many buys. I agree I'm not buying the fight unless he has a ridiculous undercard. I'm talking two main event potential undercard bouts. Thurman maidana and broner matthsye? Garcia matthsye 2? Garcia don't really have big fights he can make at 147 now besides floyd.
This really makes me lose a bit of respect for mayweather. He knows damn well kahn is a bum. Easy fight. Id rather see him fight thurman or even garcia. Kahn? Its a disgrace to real boxing fans.
This was a very competitive fight that Manny edged out. Keith Thurman was too thirsty for the ko. He could've beat Pacquiao even after the knockdown if he actually used his jab and stop loading up right hands. I suppose he really wanted to win that Ko bet. If he uses his jab he probably wins 2 more rounds and the fight. I'm sure he will be back and have to game plan better. And i suppose his power isn't capable of knocking out anyone at this point. Because he hit Manny with the best shots you can land and he didnt flinch.
You’re wrong man. Get over it and stop crying like a b****.
Height doesn’t equal size. It’s a biological fact.
Lmao yeah ok well find one respectable boxing figure that agrees that Canelo is bigger than his opponents. Otherwise for boxing purposes the taller man is the bigger man. And you don't know s***.
That's where I stopped reading because I started laughing at how you think your opinion is any more valid than mine.
Go watch a fuckin basketball game or something.
Its not an opinion, it's a fact that they proclaimed they would fight anyone from 154 to 168. They weren't interested in a fight with Ward saying they wanted to clean out 160. Then they are negotiating a fight with JCC. Those are facts.
Your statement that GGG isn't ducking Ward because he hasn't fought at 168 and doesn't deserve a fight at 168 makes no sense at all . It's pure opinion. Who are you to determine who deserves a shot at anything btw? Oh yeah forgot just an opinion. There's a difference in fact vs opinion. Just admit you cannot explain why his team proclaimed they were ready to fight anyone from 154 to 168, said they were focused on cleaning out 160 when asked about a Ward fight, then started negotiating a fight at 168 with Chavez Jr.
There's no time to waste arguing or debating with idiots who believe Kahn can give Mayweather problems. Kahn hasn't fought one ****ing legit WW. Not one. Brook who he talks **** about has at least fought Porter. That's higher than anyone on Kahn's list of his last 5 fights. All he did was fight the guy that Porter dominated in Alexander who I don't even look at as a legit WW. He hasn't fought one legit WW and he gets wobbled by 140 pounders and journeymen. And this is the guy to beat Floyd? Man please. Now he fighting Algeri. Yeah another 140 pounder who moved up to WW for the first time to get dominated by Pacquiao.
Thurman has a much better chance. And I still think he would have a punchers chance. Although he's a good boxer with power and movement, he's not fast enough to give Mayweather problems. Mayweather's too slippery. His only chance would be to land some devastating blows to the body while Mayweather is in the corner. I doubt Floyd takes on that young bull in his last fight. So he probably will fight Kahn. Whoop his ass. Then Kahn will make excuses about how long he had to train etc. There's no one in this era and at this moment that has what it takes to beat Floyd.
There's no way Mayweather is fighting GGG his last fight. GGG should focus on fighting people his size or more. Instead of little Floyd. Go fight Canelo, go fight Cotto, go fight Ward even. You're so good. Fight one of those guys.
It’s a biological fact, you were wrong you single digit IQ moron.
Usyk is listed at 6”3, Chisora is listed at 6”1, who was the bigger man when they fought?
You haven’t got a clue what you’re talking about. :lol1:
You keep reaching trying to find every example possible. You're pathetic in that all you can do is find limited and rare exceptions which I've already said exist.
The common sense fact is taller fighters are in the higher weight classes. And the fact that again the fighter who is doing the fighting has already said the other fighter is bigger, you're too stupid to comprehend it.
Even though Canelo has fought at higher weights Charlo is bigger! Every fighter Canelo fought at 168 has been bigger because it's not his natural weight class. And Charlo moving up is no different. He's bigger. 160 or 168 would be a more natural weight class for Charlo because of his height. His brother is the same size and he's been at 160 and was about to go to 168.
If you are a taller fighter, you will most likely be in a higher weight class. Some fighters shrink down in lower weight classes. Doesn't matter. A average super middleweight is 6' and up. It doesn't matter how many stupid people don't understand this lol. That's why all the heavyweights are well over 6 ft. There are limited exceptions. LeBron James and Kevin Durant would both be in the heavyweight division lol.