That'd be like Roman gladiator times. Too much bloodsport for these more civilized times.
Lol
Admit it..you just want to see Floyd get stomped out by a heavyweight.
So Maidana tried to "unsettle May" and Sanchez fought dirty? Neither was a dq.
Yeah..
Maidana wasn't trying to hurt May with a foul. Except the back of the head stuff. But the low blow was in response to may straying low.. The knee was only a threat... and the spear didn't hurt either.. just unsettled.. hence why I say "unsettled".
There was not ONE long break in the fight due to a foul in May-Maidana.... Pac Sanchez had a long break though..
Says it all really. Pac was really hurt by a foul in that fight
I don't see it,you can really see everything coming..Unless you stand right in front of Maidana,he has very lil chance of stopping you..Pac's in and out style would give Maidana fits..I feel the same way about a Pac Garcia fight..Garcia has much better timing then Maidana,and I can't see him stopping Pac..
The first sentence.. you can see everything coming.. no not really. He took the p4p #1 through a war and landed several respectable shots in the center of the ring..His jab is actually pretty quick and very authoritative, it's what prevented Mayweather from having a field day with him in the latter half of their fight. Maidana has success in fights not only because of grit and power, but because he can alternate between straight and wide punches and has a very nice jab. His in ring cunning is also underestimated as all getout.
The thing to is that people forget that Maidana got scooled/embarassed by southpaw devon alexander, and nearly got put out by amir khan. Even though khan was running second half.
Maidana is indeed an animal but if pac can still take shots and dedicated to boxing he takes it unanimous decision or tko because of busted up face.
I'm willing to discuss Devon to a point. About that I would say Maidana had not yet learned his lesson about that particular brand of fighter and not to give an inch, even in the clinch. Overshadowing such a conversation, however, is the irrefutable fact that for a menagerie of reasons, Maidana was clearly not at his best that night. I assumed we were talking Maidana would be fighting Pac at or around the same level and intensity he fought Floyd. No?
He blatantly hit low, rabbit punched, kidney punched, held and hit, and wrestled Floyd to the canvas. The butt was ruled an accidental butt just like Sanchezs was.
What about the injury to Pac's leg? And the fact that Agapito low blowed about 20 times at least?! And the fact that the fight was stopped early? You don't have a pot to piss in.
People that want to say Pac fought clean and both Maidana and May were fighting dirty... So that lifts up agapito- PAC as a cleaner fight because of Pac's side.. Well have fun with your cerebral point.
But if we are comparing Maidana to Sanchez, Sanchez (rip) was the more viciously fouling fighter.
As prize fighters we assume they prepare to their fullest both physically and mentally. It's on them to be ready to perform, and being unfit doesn't take anything away from their opponent who did take camp seriously. Not training hard enough is never an acceptable excuse.
Well that is an incorrect assumption at times. It's to be taken on a case by case basis. Don't know about you, but if I'm the winner I want to have beaten the best version of that fighter, not one that, for one reason or another, is not at their personal best.
Hard to say... There's something y'all don't understand about Maidana... He's a ****in gangster. Pacqiuao, Mayweather... He don't give a damn he gonna go in and not show respect.
I think it's a competitive fight. Maidana has a jab that can stop PAC in his tracks. And he has game in the center of the ring. If he wins, he wins the fight on the ropes though. Corner PAC on the ropes, and find his range, and drop his hands on Pac
See, he smothered a lot of his work against Floyd because that was his best shot, overall, of throwing shots Floyd couldn't see, though he did have some success against Floyd in the center of the ring.
Against PAC the key would be for Maidana to find his range after cutting off the ring on PAC. Use the jab as a rangefinder and drop the right hand with full leverage. Then crank the left hook to the body and head.
Bradley's gameplan against PAC in the rematch is actually a viable option for Marcos Maidana. Go in to knock the guy clean out. If he lands with any consistency from a proper range, he can
Maidana couldn't KO a blown up Broner or Khan with the glass chin, he gets significantly slower by the second half of the fight and gets hurt badly in almost every one of his fights. I like Maidana but he's made to order for Pac.
Broner is a tough guy. Had an air of invincibility prior to the Maidana fight and had it shattered.... And Chino could barely find his range with Khan... That's why I said its imperative for Maidana to find his range if he fights PAC....
Maidana may get hurt.. Though I think his chin has improved at WW... But he has never been stopped. In addition, when Maidana is hurt it only makes him more dangerous.
It's possible that a fighter has an "off-night" since at the end of the day they're human. It's disrespectful to the opponent however to claim a fighter didn't look good or lost solely on the fact he had an "off-night". It's completely possible that an "inferior" fighter simply has the right style to trouble the "superior" fighter.
During a span of 12 rounds a fighter has more than enough time and infinite opportunities to make up for a perceived "off-night". It's not a team sport like baseball where you only have 3 or 4 opportunities to perform and an infinite amount of time in between to analyze your sub-par performance and doubt your abilities.
You also don't have other teammates you can rely on it's just you and your opponent leaving no room to doubt your skills or performance. If you are doubting your skills then simply the other guy is better than you.
Well in boxing an off night can be representative of a training camp that was subpar, or a personal life in shambles. The performance of a fighter represents the entire span of their preparation, and what did, and didn't occur in that period of time.
People are human dude, they literally have moments where they under perform for a million different reasons.
Exactly this.
You can't expect 100% consistency from everybody. It's like I'm fond of saying: a fighter doesn't stop being a fighter outside the ring, and doesn't stop being a human being inside of it.
Just becasue Pac was koed now everybody can ko him.
He is more susceptible to ko now that he has been ko'd. That's just how it works. But I'm not saying everyone can KO PAC, I'm saying Marcos Maidana can, with the right gameplan.
I think you are too mired in conceptual thought and not grounded enough in actual experience and application. Reminds me of a poetry professor I had that went a week of classes pontificating about a very short poem about a red wheelbarrow in the rain. Well, It's a damn red wheelbarrow in the rain!
If you have ever been in the ring, Size and weight matter, this is why weight classes exist. All things considered, A Prime Tyson easily dismantles any version of Floyd. Whichever two of you that was trying to argue Floyd can hang with a prime Tyson is dumb beyond words, despite whatever illusion of eloquence you might possess.
Words are just a medium; a vehicle for communicating something you feel or believe based upon your OWN experience. Any combination of words, tall or small, are irrelevant if you have nothing worthwhile to add to a specialized pool of thought. It's just wind.
Go out and DO
So, which fighter you think posses better technique and why? Do you think light weight guys have punching power to knock out heavy weights?
In a fight, the guy that can manipulate his environment the most as a sheer physical presence has a distinct advantage from the outset.
In a barefisted fight, any guy can ko any guy. A bare fist is just as much of a piercing energy as concussive, and it doesn't really take much Ppsi of piercing energy on the right spot to hurt a man.
When wearing gloves, your punches become more concussive, blunt. The nature of blunt concussive energy is the more weight and mass paired with momentum behind it, the more devastating it can be. That's why medieval maces were heavier than a mother****er...same concept.
Some people overcome a statistical disadvantage, but the fact of the matter is this: Tyson wouldn't have to land clean on Floyd. He could land on a shoulder and bruise it badly or even dislocate it. He could land on Floyd's defensive shell and shatter it with one punch. Meanwhile for Floyd to even stall Tyson he would have to land the cleanest, hardest punch he's ever thrown.
He was a good puncher at the lower weights. Not 1 punch ko type of guy, but very sharp and accurate, just dismantled guys.
Not a power puncher at 147 and 154 though....
50 sounds like a hurt ex girlfriend. Always takes the chance to take shots whenever his ex is in the news.
Agreed....
First couple of times was funny but he just all over Floyd ain't he
Shane has always been all over the place but tends to be pretty honest. I think he tends to not consider Floyd and Pac as much due to his age. Shane's always said Forrest. Forrest had him in trouble in his prime..Pac and him had a glorified sparring session where he was hit at a rough angle. Shane has also reluctantly mentioned that Floyd has a lot more power and snap than given credit for, that he and Canelo hits as hard so maybe power is subjective to him... Dude has an ATG chin no one really has hurt him since Forrest
Oscar used to be fast back in his day and had great timing which made him seem faster than he was as well. Shane was one of if not the fastest fighter at 147 we've seen in his and the current era.
Oscar didn't say Trinidad though as biggest puncher was is surprising but maybe it's him being salty.
Oscar STAYS salty. My feeling is he purposefully left Floyd, Mosely, and Trinidad off his list because he feels he won against Floyd or feels some type of way.. same with trinidad.. and Mosely he probably tells himself that guy was juicing, so it don't count.
Nope...
In my first couple weeks of sparring, Was in against a guy 200+ pounds and he cranked a body shot on me that sent me to one knee, but I eat head shots like skittles... Got better at body shots too. Really if you've felt worse pain before the shot can be more bearable. It's all relative to your experience
Yup, and that girl would kick your ****ing ass along with everyone on this forum board.
She would Judo throw you and then arm bar you, unless you're highly trained in jiu jitsu you're ****ED.
Everyone? Man speak for yourself. Contrary to what you might believe, some guys in here have actually done more than to merely watch the sport of boxing. They've partaken.
But back to MA, I used to study with a Bagua Sifu and his wife had lots of skill in their version of sparring, but I was holding back out of chivalry. I could have blasted her out at any point, really. Just simply overpowered her.
same with this mma girl... any man she manages to get to spar with will be holding back, so, if shes in a fight with a guy for REAL that has any concept of how to throw punch and he has a functional 80+ pounds weight advantage....she will be surprised by his power, and struggle with it.
Mma aite... I like Nick Diaz. But he more of a boxer type.
I see the method to all the jockeying for position on the floor... but it is not fun to watch for me. I like watching punches and attacks... not the writhing of men's body and limbs over another.
What is wrong with NSB...... Seriously.
Y'all are literally never right. It's disturbing on many levels.
So instead of giving Maidana his props for having a unique set of attributes to rock Floyd's world... We're now saying any brawler with heart can beat Floyd? What a pathetic joke.
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Chino!
Maidana was boxing beautifully at times...making Mayweather miss with some sweet pea-esque slips.
See thats how I know these normally good posters got Floyd glasses on to the fullest and are in full damage control. Trying to suggest Maidana never hit him flush. Laughable.
By the same token, fans of a certain other fighter need to chill as well. They are ****ting on Chino AND Floyd at the same time. From saying Floyd fought like that on purpose to saying Floyd was never that good and lost to a C level guy, hardly ANYONE is giving Chino the credit he deserves....oh well
so flame on.. this thread is nothing but laughs
Have no idea why people compare Maidana to Rios. Maidana is wayyyyy better than Rios.. at this stage of the game.
Maidana coming in at 165 with horsehair gloves? Also dont know why he's viewed as slow and flat footed.. he cut off the ring on Floyd well in their fight and was fast enough to catch May ducking with an uppercut.. and catching may in the middle of a pullcounter. Maidana actually has good reaction time defensively.
not sure who I would pick. Id need to see both guy's camps. Thats how I knew with Chino-Floyd