Not saying he didn't have something rendering the wraps non regulation but do you think if they were hard like a cast that they would even need chemical tests to prove that? they could just touch them with their hands and say....yup illegal and then show everyone at a presser by banging the wraps on the desk for everyone to see and hear as they make a hard thump. I can only conclude given the inconsistency of the story and wishy washy findings is that whatever he did was far less egregious than we are led to believe.
I think it was most likely a "gause pad" that was worn in that Margarito had been using in camp and was hardened from dirty sweat and open blisters being soaked in and dried out. The plaster like substance was probably nothing more than coincidence. If you have done construction work you take off your socks at the end of the day and when they eventually dry out they get like almost crunchy.
Either way against the rules and he deserved to be punished for attempting use it
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Cotto isnt the 1 who would pay for the investigation lol, the state would pay for it and it was a huge scandal theres plenty of money for it. He nor anyone else ever even asked for it, shit have they even mentioned wanting one? Surely if Cotto can find a screenshot thats conclusive evidence it would warrant an investigation. Why not any of Margarito's other opponents ask for investigation?
The idea that he could have gotten away with it if Nazim didnt ask whatever is so insane. They take the wraps and gloves after every fight, the commission feels the wraps once they are on, they feel the gloves when they are on too. The idea that when Nazim asked is the only possible point in which this could have been caught is laughable
Using your logic why cheat vs Cotto why not cheat his whole career? Paul Williams, Daniel Santos and Josh Clottey must have plaster resistant skin?
Is taking beatings, inactivity, moving up in weight, changing trainers not how most careers fall of a cliff?
In closing the narrative was fabricated 100% entirely retroactively, never been investigated, makes absolutely no sense. Yet somehow even someone like Jim Lampley takes it as a complete FACT.
It's not unreasonable to suspect Margarito was cheating prior to the Mosley fight. While there isn't legal evidence that he cheated versus Cotto, his performance in the rematch was a complete 180.
Yeah that had nothing to do with getting stopped twice, fighting in a different weight class, with a different trainer and multiple year+ stints of inactivity
Man, I had to pull up this video because I forgot a lot of this already. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xgXwv0jhiTs So in this video, yeah Cotto, presents a shot of Margarito's glove immediately after beating him and the wrap has a tear in it which he cannot give a valid explanation as to how that happened.
So yeah, I think there are enough conclusive evidence to formulate your own opinion on what happenedIf there is conclusive evidence why wasn't it ever investigated? why didnt Cotto ever publicly ask for it to be investigated? Why didnt any other Margarito opponent ever ask for it to be investigated?
Again there are multiple checks after you put the wraps on. How did Margarito get away with using illegal wraps with out the commission being negligent or helping him cheat
but if you are a Margarito fan, I doubt you will agree that something was off with the win. as I stated in the OP literally can not show me a single soul on earth who thought there was something up with Margarito's gloves or wraps or anything else, nothing from Cotto, nothing in the media, nothing on a message board, nothing even in a youtube comment. The theory was created entirely retroactively
All we know is Margarito attempted to cheat vs Mosley. Everything else is a fairytale
Margarito never had the same power after they removed the plaster of paris from the Mosley fight and his career sank Titanic style. You can continue to believe your thoughts and I'll believe mine.
Yeah he took a brutal beating, didn't fight for over a year, moved up in weight, new trainer, thats how like 90% of boxer's career's sink
Cotto presented Margarito with potential evidence during their build up to the second fight. I know it's not lawyer level stuff, but it shows he truly believed it himself. It was just too far past at this point to build a legal case against Margarito.are you saying it took 4 year for Cotto to get a screenshot of Margarito after the fight with red dye on his wraps? Like come one, be for real there is no way you actually believe that.
The legal case would have been against the state for negligence if not out right corruption for letting Margarito use illegal wraps not Margarito. They could still build that case right now 18 years later but there was never a case lol
As far as how come he just got noticed. I forget what was said, but Nazeem Richardson checked or did something that perhaps other trainers overlooked and missed during the wrap check. Nazeem being old school as f**k. I'm drunk so I can't quite remember it all, but I recall Nazeem really being in their a$$ when it came to what he considered suspect and wanting checked. Other coaches weren't as knowledgeable to point the figure and make Margarito unwrap and find what was found.
What you are still failing to realize is that is only the very 1st check he didn't even get both wraps on, or gloves on(checked again) or after the fight WHEN THEY COLLECT THE DAMN WRAPS AND GLOVES
He only got caught after they made him unwrap his hand and start over. If Naz would have let them continue wrapping before he saw them start, his hands would have been loaded in the fight.
Do we know if cottos uncle saw his hands being wrapped from start to finish?
At the time, it was explained that Margarito started wrapping his hands before anyone was actually there to watch from Mosley team
Cotto fired his uncle after for what it's worth.
Also I remember team Margarito didn't want to restart the hand wraps because someone from the commission was present when he started. But obviously they just have some $15 an hour guy off the street who didn't know wtf he was looking at.
Naz had to threaten to not fight if they didn't start over and that's when he saw the plaster pads.
Other people in the boxing world explained that they've made a big deal about starting over in past fights because of how long it takes to wrap hands and the other team gives in because someone from the commission was there watching.
Lastly, YDKSAB and stop trying to rewrite history
YDKSAB even after the gloves are on and signed there are still checks before during and after the fight? How did the cheating masterminds get past all those checks and got caught at the very beginning vs Mosley?
Also you are making shit up there's no $15 an hour guy, the fight was in Vegas and its the same commission people you see for every fight in Vegas.
Why wasn't it ever investigated? Why didn't Cotto or anyone even ask for it to be investigated? Why did Cotto sue? He woukd stand to win tens if not hundreds of millions to prove the negligence or corruption
Just admit you believed the fairytale
When was the last time Margacheato did that kind of damage to any other opp ?
https://youtu.be/QIp2XM_S4Xw?si=L3LEHzItXvJKqwvY
https://youtu.be/eWDtEmcFKvA?si=_EFQFlxh41D8SarH
Cmon man, anyone that gets caught, it's normal to then suspect they may have been up to it previously. That's part of the norm. I still don't understand why Margarito would all a sudden rock up for a supposedly "faded" Mosley that gave Cotto a good fight years prior and Margarito had just beaten up? He suspected Mosley was a tougher challenge than the super bowl of boxing matchup in Cotto? Again, the fight to make him a megastar in Mexico considering the reputation Cotto had and was unbeaten.
If that was the only times the gloves/wraps were checked ok but they are checked multiple times after the point that in which he got caught. There needs to be some explanation for how a cheating mastermind would get caught at the earliest possible point before the wraps are even on when he went through a whole fight and all the checks without even 1 ounce of suspicion.
you could also say why would mastermind Margarito cheat for the 1st time in the 'superbowl of boxing' with the most eyes, most cameras and most scrutiny?
Also why has Cotto or anyone else never asked for an investigation? Cotto or any other opponent would stand to sue for tens of millions possibly hundreds of millions if they could prove that Margarito either paid off the commission or they were negligent. LMAO but let me guess you are going to say "well Cotto is a warrior, he doesn't care about money"
I'm sorry but the Margarito used loaded gloves myth just doesn't hold up to ANY level of common sense scrutiny
There is a chance he did plaster up for P.Williams. Just that P.Williams was able to take it. In fact, I suspect he's been doing something for awhile. The way he punched that one dude's ear off his head (Sebastian something). Then the way he had Kermit Cintron dropping left and right in both fights. Something didn't add up. This dude with that many losses all a sudden is icing everyone.
Margarito had 3 losses as a teenager. 1 of them when he was 16. It doesn’t add up that he got better and stronger as an adults LMAO
Paul Williams has superhuman skin now?
Also you or no one else suspected anything about loading gloves until he got caught in his attempt before the gloves even got on lol. But somehow these criminal masterminds went through all the checks and procedures with no suspicion what so ever
Come on the lengths yall are going to keep this myth alive.
Yes, it is speculation. Though can you answer why on earth would Margarito decide to plaster up vs Mosley and not Cotto, 1 fight prior that would make him a superstar if he won? Just answer that. Curious on your take.1st of all who cares explain how he got away with it and why it was never investigated
2nd of all why would he decide to plaster up vs Cotto and not Paul Williams a bigger better and more talented fighter than Cotto or Mosley
Margarito was a very strong fighter in his prime albeit pretty limited… the first time he ever looked world class elite fighter, and very damaging against a very good top fighter — atleast to me — was against Cotto. Suddenly he was on top of the world in 2008… all the mayweather is scared of him made sense.. or why he was avoided..
Then the very next fight he fights an older boxer who got defeated by the guy he just pummeled then he gets caught with them wraps.
so there alone we could make theories..
1. Why would you need a plaster against an older guy that got defeated by the guy you just pummeled brutally?
2. Margarito never looked as damaging against a top fighter than he did against Cotto, so there’s a possibility that the first time he ever used them wraps was against Cotto? And the second time would have been against Mosley?
at the end of the day, his reputation being ruined, him being accused was all their doing… him and his team.. so they can’t play victim when people have their opinions…
we don’t need to look further with his other fights..
Paul Williams was considered a better and more talented boxer than Cotto ever was which is why Cotto and everyone else was running away from him. So did Paul Williams have an cast iron face?
also Margarito looked just as powerful against Martinez and Cintron x2
The idea that Margarito started to "plaster up" only against Cotto is just completely nonsensical.
Why would Margarito the cheating mastermind choose to plaster up for the 1st time in a fight with the most attention and cameras
and guess what none of that even matters, tell me how he got away with the plaster with zero suspicion what so ever from anyone on earth? Why hasn't Cotto or anyone else asked for an investigation on his supposed plaster use?
At 168 Ward beats him kinda easy by staying on the outside early slowing the pace and then out crafting him on the inside.
At a catch weight of 164 it's totally different I think Ward has to be more cautious with his stamina and would be much more prone to get cut off by GGG's elite footwork
This threads host is an imbecile
Of course being caught means theres a high probability hes done it before and gotton away with it especially in lower profile fights
Most people buy that he cheated in the Cotto fight because in the second fight Margarito suddenly looked like Paulie Malignaggi.
Please explain why you think he would have gotten away with it before? Again he was caught at the very 1st possible point he could get caught at(before the wraps are even on). They would have checked once the wraps are on, they would have checked once the gloves go on, they would have checked before they go out to the ring, they are several points during the fight where the ref would have felt his gloves and after the fight they literally take the gloves and wraps.
Please explain why if he was getting away with it why it was never investigated?
Please explain how Clottey and Paul Williams skin is so durable they took plaster punches for 12 rounds
If he didn't get caught against Mosley, but in his next fight, then with your theory, it's100% a myth he used them v Mosley too - even though we know he did...
He literally got caught during the 1st phase where you could possibly get caught. There is ZERO reason to believe he could use loaded wraps without getting caught. You either thinm boxing equipment and safety procedures are nonexistent or you think there has been a massive multi national scandal to allow Margarito to cheat.
Are Joshua Clottey and Paul Williams and Daniel Santos face and arms and torso made of steel?
Do believe any completely retroactive narrative that anyone makes? Where is the evidence? Why was it never investigated? why did Cotto never ask for an investigation?
So he loaded his gloves to fight Shane Mosley who he was a big favorite against but not against Cotto who he was an underdog against?
If you believe that bs you are just an idiot and not worth conversing with.
He was even odds against Paul Williams, Paul Williams must have mutant skin right? Joshua Clottey and Daniel Santos also? PLEASE ADDRESS THIS
Why was Margarito never investigated? Surely his opponents would want those Ls off their record? Surely they would want financial compensation? Why didn't Cotto or anyone for that matter ever even mention wanting an investigation?
Yall think Margarito used loaded wraps undetected with no susp icion what so ever, but no one ever thought to investigate how he did it so it wouldnt happen again? PLEASE ADDRESS THIS
it's honestly stunning that you people have heard the fairytale repeated so many times that even though you know the entire thing was made up retroactively and theres ZERO evidence you are still 100% bought in.
Are you legit brain dead?
What part are you not understanding that the first wrap had been both finished AND APPROVED by the CSAC you retard?
It wasn't until Naazim asked for them to be RE WRAPPED due to the amount of tape that they found the illegal substances. So it wasn't the "first oppourtinty" because one of the wraps had already been approved.
https://nypost.com/2009/01/27/naazim-calls-doctored-wraps-deliberate/
"The controversy began when Richardson was in Margarito’s dressing room to witness the wrapping of his hands as allowed by CSAC rules. One hand already had been wrapped and approved by the CSAC before Richardson’s arrival.
In the process of wrapping the other hand, Richardson questioned the amount of tape going directly on Margarito’s skin, and asked for a rewrapping. During the rewrapping, it got to a point where a cushion was placed across Margarito’s knuckles. But when Richardson asked if he could “feel” the cushion that’s when the Margarito camp began to protest."
Fuckin retard :lol1:
I am going off Nazzim's words he said the cushion was on the table, not on his hand. Also it has never been said that if there was plaster on the other hand just the cushion that Nazzim found.
regardless there are MORE CHECKS than just the handwrapping process. So if he used it in previous fights they would of had to get past all of those checks. Is that what you think? And if so how? And how has no one ever even asked for it to be Investigated? Surely if he was getting away with it there would be other fighter doing it. At least fighter with the same trainer.
how did other fighters take those plaster punches and never get cut?
You won't address any of this because you can't accept that you're a gullible that's been fed a fairytale and you believed it like a moron
Already answered that question; There could be a plethora of reasons as to why that is. That’s not an argument.
They aren’t being investigated because there’s no way to prove it in hindusight dumbass.
The one glove was approved, after being re wrapped they found illegal substances in both gloves, just a fact you thick cunt.
A plethora of reasons lol you haven't said 1. If he had plaster in the gloves why did some fighters take the punches? Stop being so insecure and answer
They would investigate the massive incompetence and/or any payments from Margarito to the commission for them to have helped him cheat.
just because you say it's true doesn't make it so. Nazzim said he felt the cushion while it was on the table and that's the 1 that had "a block" in it. Nothing about the other hand having also had illegal substances
What is? That he attempted to use illegal hand wraps vs Mosley? It's a literal fact you daft cunt :lol1:
I don't have a theory.
I said if you get caught attempting to use illegal handwraps then ever fight you had prior to that is up for question. It just is, I'm sorry.
Quite positive I haven't even mentioned Miguel Cotto in this thread :thinking: :dunce:
Like I said, I don't have a theory.
But, he got caught attempting to cheat via illegal hand wraps, so, when that happens, every fight he had prior to that is going to be questioned. That's how it is in this thing known as life. Sorry that it makes you cry like a little baby but it just how it is. Get used to it.
Can you read? I said over and over that he attempted to use illegal wraps vs Mosley.
the fact that you don't have theory is exactly why I said it's braindead.
By your logic if Margarito had gotten caught bringing a gun to his fight vs Mosley then you have to question if he shot every other opponent.
If it's not something you can get away with then why the fuck did they try it, genius?
Kill yourself man. You're too retarded to be out in public.
He tried to cheat and got caught immediately during the 1st possible moment you could get caught.
did the the tooth fairy leave a dollar under your pillow?
Where did I say what I believed? Oh yeah, I didn't, you thick cunt.
I said any fight he had prior to trying to use illegal wraps are under question. Which, they are.
Not really. They originally got cleared.
It wasn't until ****m Richardson checked them again that he noticed something out of the ordinary then after being re checked they saw the illegal subtances. So, it wasn't the "first possible point", that's a lie.
Which is irrelevant anyway. None of that would have changed the fact that all of his previous fights are naturally now going to be under question. That fact makes your blood boil and it's genuinely hilarious.
You are lying they were not cleared and no one had checked them.... because it wasn't time to check them yet. The 1st time anyone had checked them it was Nazim and then once the commission had actually picked them up a block fell out.
https://youtu.be/6RvQcHouzQE?si=XpqtQDtgIyDzE0wT
Erm, no.
When Naazim got to the room, one of Margarito's hands had already been wrapped AND APPROVED by CSAC.
While the other one was being wrapped, Naazim questioned the amount of tape used and asked for it be rewrapped to which the substances were found.
So you ain't got a clue you daft twat :lol1: Don't even know your own story :lol1:
Did you watch the video? Na Zim said the pad was on the table it hadnot been checked.
Also even if he finished wrapping what about during and after the fight no one noticed shards of plaster falling out of his gloves? The commission literally takes the wraps and gloves after the fight how did Margarito get away with this with zero suspi cion?
They literally check these things every single fight, yet no one can even come up with a theory as to how he got away with it?
Lol yall just accept it in spite of the fact that the whole thing was a fairytale made up after the fact.
So he first cheated v old Mosley who just lost to Cotto and didn't even try v undefeated Cotto himself?
And the officials didn't catch it did they? Naazim did.
I'm thinking you're trolling now. Fair play. Got 2 replies out of me.
So you argument is based around triangle theory... like come on be for real? He 1st attempted to cheat vs Mosley and got caught immediately because its not something you can get away with.
Tpu think that because Nazim caught it before the commission ever even had a chance to means he got through several checks in previous fights without any suspi cion? That is your theory?
also does Joshua Clottey and Paul Williams have skin made of steel?
Exactly so what in the flying fuck are you talking about?
I don't have a theory because I don't care.
He got caught attempting to use illegal hand wraps, that's the long and short it. So as a result every fight prior to that is going to be in question.
Not really.
A legitmately retarded comparison by a real retarded cunt :lol1: Cong**** on that one.
You don't have theory because that requires thought... hence why I said you're braindead. You believe a baseless retroactive story without any credible evidence.
Yes he got caught at the 1st possible point you could catch someone. To believe he actually did it in previous fights without an ounce of suspi cion would mean he was master cheater and with help from multiple state and national boxing commissions. And would that not warrant an investigation.
He got caught with suspect handwraps. Once that happens he doesn’t deserve the benefit of the doubt for any other fight.
What benefit of the doubt? They check every fight.
If Margarito and his trainer are these cheating mastermind How has Cotto and all Margarito previous opponents not asked for an investigation? Surely they would want to know how he was able to get away with the loaded wraps with zero suspic ion
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I see what ya did there.
If you attempt to use illegal loaded handwraps for a fight then all of your previous fights are now going to be under question.
Just how to works in life, I'm afraid.
1. That's the dumbest most brain dead thing I have ever heard in my life. He wasnt close to getting away with using loaded wraps.
Is your theory that commisions and refs spanning several countries and states all conspired for Margarito?
2. Why then i the only fight anyone questions is Cotto?
Is your theory that Paul Williams and Joshua Clottey and Daniel Santos and have super humanly durable skin?
Both wraps had illegal substances on them DUMBASS. That’s AFTER they were APPROVED by the CSAC.
Learn to read you thick cunt.
How they potentially took them is irrelevant, there could be a plethora of reasons.
The fact is, he attempted to use illegal handwraps in a fight. Meaning, ALL of his previous fights will be questioned. It’s just how it is when you try to cheat. Cry more about it.
If they are in question why haven't they been investigated? Why hasn't anyone even asked for them to be Investigated?
Show me where it says anything that had been approved had plaster?
and you are still running away from providing any theory for how he would got away with it, how other fighters took the "plaster punches" fine. Or how Cotto himself took the "plaster punches" just fine for the 1st several rounds. How did no one find the shards of plaster that would have been coming out of his gloves and wraps after the fight
You're throwing a fit because you don't want to admit what gullible fool you are.
Look at the likes of Wilder or AJ. Never laced up a pair of gloves until they were adults and become world champions. You just can't do that in other sports, no chance.
Christian Okoye in the NFL, Dennis Rodman in the NBA both beg to differ
actually, the one non-tomato can he fought in Mosquerra gave Edwin hell
Bradley probably boxes circles around him
but GO TROJANS tho
Shimada and Pitalua are Tomato cans?
Valero has fought 3 legit guys so has Bradley(Campbell Witter Holt)