Third Part: "If he says he's been clean, I can only reply:. This is a lie"
SPIEGEL: testosterone, growth hormone, EPO, that was your combination?
Heredia: Yes, with individual variations. And wonderful things are possible. Jerome Young in 2002 was ranked number 38 in the 400-meter world rankings, then we started to work together and in 2003 he won almost every major race.
SPIEGEL: How were you paid?
Heredia: Per annual fee. With great success there was $ 40,000 bonus.
SPIEGEL: Your athletes have won 26 Olympic medals. How much money have you earned?
Heredia: I can not tell because of the investigation. Let's say 16 to 18 successful Sporter per year and 15,000 to $ 20,000 per athlete. I had a good run, I had a good life.
SPIEGEL: You were living not in the shadowy realm of sport, where no one could see you?
Heredia: No, although I am rarely moved to the big events that had nothing to do with jealousy, but the Americans did not want that, I worked with the Jamaicans and vice versa. But shadow? No. That was all a chain of athletes on agents to sponsors, and I was part of it, but everyone knew how the game went. All it did so because all were so rich.
SPIEGEL: What agents do you think?
Heredia: The great marketer, Robert Wagner, for example, the care of athletes and want to get in great shape because they convey to the meeting.
The Austrians Wagner, founder of World Athletics Management, wrote last Thursday in an e-mail to SPIEGEL that he "never doped athletes" or when doping was "supported and encouraged". And Angel Heredia, the witness was sitting in an office in New York, an athletic man in black shirt, still toned, and wrote the name on a piece of paper. 41 athletes, he said his clients were, to be boxers, football players and skiers come. His Jamaican Raymond Stewart, Beverly McDonald, Brandon Simpson. From the Bahamas: Chandra Sturrup. A few of his Americans: Jerome Young, Antonio Pettigrew, Tim Montgomery, Duane Ross, Michelle Collins, Marion Jones, CJ Hunter, Ramon Clay, Dennis Mitchell, Joshua J. Johnson, Randall Evans, Justin Gatlin, Maurice Greene. Some of those named by Heredia are convicted, some have been doping, others deny it.
SPIEGEL: Maurice Greene? The 100-meter superstar Greene is one of the flagship athletes of the Olympic movement, he vows to be clean.
Heredia: There is an investigation, but when he says he's been clean, I can only reply: That's a lie.
SPIEGEL: Is it specific?
Heredia: I helped him. I made a plan for him. I have provided him.
SPIEGEL: Equipped?
Heredia: Yes, 2003 and 2004, we have worked together.
SPIEGEL: You have evidence?
Heredia: Yes, for example, a transfer over $ 10,000.
SPIEGEL: Greene says he has spent the money to friends.
Heredia: I know better.
SPIEGEL: What Greene, who denies doping, have received from you?
Heredia: IGF-1 and IGF-2, Epo and ATP stands for adenosine triphosphate, it enhances the muscle contraction.
SPIEGEL: Undetectable for inspectors?
Heredia: Undetectable. We have also used creams that leave no marks and give the athletes a consistently higher levels of testosterone.
SPIEGEL: is Gedopt on any sporting level?
Heredia: Yes, there is different then just the quality of doping. The poor take the simple steroids and hope that they are not controlled. If you are among the stars, you earn $ 50,000 a month plus get appearance money and shoe contracts. Are you above, you invest $ 100,000, and I'll build a untraceable designer drug.
SPIEGEL: Tell us das.
Heredia: Designer drugs are composed of several chemicals that induce the desired response, and then I change to the end of the chain, two molecules so that the whole structure of the grids eludes investigators.
SPIEGEL: The Hunting of the investigators on athletes ...
Heredia: ... is again sports. A race. Pure adrenaline. We need to be one, two years ahead. We need to know which drug comes in where the research or used in animals is how we can get there. And we need to know the methods of the tester.
SPIEGEL: Can the testers win this race yet?
Heredia: In theory, yes. If all federations and sponsors and managers, and athletes and coaches agree and use all the money that brings the sport, and if every athlete is checked twice a week - only. What happens now is ludicrous. Alibi. You should save the money - give it to me, and I distribute among the orphans in Mexico! As long as there is commercial sports, shoe contracts, which are linked to performance, and the television contracts, as long is doped.