Wilders performance really disappointed me
Same here. If this fight doesn't convince Wilder to hire some new trainers then I don't know what will. It was frustrating watching him throw the same punch over and over, round after round and missing badly. If he mixed it up and gave fury more to watch out for and keep him guessing, he probably lands that right more often than he did.
None of this has anything to do with your comment on Povetkin being a cash grab. Nothing at all. You were wrong and made an ignorant comment, so I corrected you. This proves you're an idiot. I was correct in using the words I did because it perfectly describes most of the people on here. And they just happen to come from your country. Go figure.
The fact that I have to simplify it for you shows your the idiot. Hearn was doing whatever he can to delay this fight from happening, such as the bs 15mil flat fee, convincing AJ to turn down the 50mil, leaving details out of the contract such as the date to ensure the fight was next, and other bs. Even Barry Hearn came out and said he didn't want it next. But let us ignore the facts right? I already know your type though. You're one of the top flight AJ security defenders on here who will defend him to the death. I wouldn't be surprised if you're Eddie Hearn himself.
*You're. It's best you don't call someone an idiot after making a mistake because it's ironic.
You made a comment that it was a cash grab, nothing else. So don't bring in your straw-man argument here.
Actually it was Finkle who kept on delaying things. He wanted to force the mandatory so he had an excuse to why the fight wasn't happening.
Hearn was working on a Oct/Nov fight, so yes, it was going to be next. Hearn just hadn't got round to getting date and venue down because he needed to move fast because he had the WBA breathing down his neck. It was the smart thing to do.
Barry Hearn wanted the fight to wait because he believed it made more money after a bit more hype, not for any other reason.
I defend the truth, not a load of lies and bull****.
So making a mistake makes one an idiot? lol. I'm pretty sure you've made many so don't even go there.
Yeah I said it was a cash grab, but since you couldn't figure out why on your own I had to break it down for you. Now I see why...
You defend nothing but a flag. You and some other posters on here constantly engage in this pathetic and childish flag war. Brits this, Americans that blah blah blah nonsense. You're nothing but another Eddie Hearn zombie. I used to root for Joshua and disliked Wilder, but unlike you I saw through the bs and got tired of it.
The biggest fight to be made in boxing and he couldn't get around to getting a date and venue? You really believe that nonsense? Everything involving this fight should have been his biggest priority. He sure got one quick for that povetkin fight though right? The WBA gave a 24 hour deadline that turned into two weeks, but yet they were breathing down his neck right?
You tried though, goodnight.
The link you posted was AFTER the fact in what you were arguing .
You fool.
You stated the WBA demanded a 24 hr period in which YOU thought was a FINAL negotiations agreement .
That was not the case bc the negotiations went on for weeks bc the WBA were demanding a final agreement to fight to get negotiations underway this is a fact and the actual announcement of AGREED terms would show that by the date AFTER the WBA made the 24 request..:stupid:
You keep posting links that actually counter what you are saying bc it shows that it conflicts with you stating the WBA demanding a 24 hr finalized deal bc in FACT a deal was met and then negotiations continued well over the period of the link you posted .
You dont even know what you're arguing about now bc if in your twisted head the WBA were insisting on a FINAL deal that would suggest a contract be agreed to in 24hr ? Which isnt reality .
Yet your telling me you're not mentioning contracts yet that would be the case if a 24 hr period was given to make a FINAL deal ?
What a dope you are . lol
This is what happens when stupid ppl think that posting links make them look smart , however you also have to know what you're talking about , you clearly dont ! :twak:
The link I posted was from June 7th, well before the wba issued that 24 hour ****, which shows the date of June 26th in the boxing scene article for the 24 hour ordeal. When I had originally stated to sid that they were in negotiations before the wba 24 hour deadline. You tried to say otherwise and failed. So I linked proof which proved my point. Now you're trying to change your words up to save face, it won't work lol.
"Hearn was in talks with Ryabinski , so no! Negotiations were not underway at the time you claim bc Hearn had not signed on yet ."
Your words not mine hahaha. You should have never quoted me now look how foolish you're starting to make yourself look. I backed myself up with facts, while you continue to make up stuff. Then when get proven wrong change your words up. You're a special kind of stupid. I think I'm about done with you, I have nothing left to prove. You'll continue with the nonsense even though you know you fucked up lol.
Except it is you who Fooked up !
" A WBA heavyweight title fight between champion Anthony Joshua and Alexander Povetkin will be "finalised in the next 72 hours", says promoter Eddie Hearn. "
Funny i must have missed the 72 hr signing in JULY ? lol
In the same article (you probably didnt read )
"There would also be an agreement for a unification fight against WBC champion Deontay Wilder in February 2019 at Cardiff's Principality Stadium. "
We know the above quote is false bc Hearn put it out there to get Finkel to come out which he did , Cardiff in February ? lol
Do you see where you fooked up yet ?
Hearn kept asking for extensions to postpone Povetkin ,had negotiations began with Povetkin there wouldn't be ANY postponement requests from Hearn spanning over 2 months .
Again you fool .
Wilder agreed to terms in June this was well after Hearn was delaying Povetkin .,who was several months due his mandatory .
Hearn says a deal with Wilder will be done "in the next month".
You're whole argument is nonsensical bc your assuming Hearn shouldn't be talking with Povetkins team even though he was the mandatory ?
Negotiating took place well over the WBA 24 hr demand ,WEEKS in fact .
Had actual negotiations began in July Hearn would not have requested postponements bc Ryabinski would not grant it .
You just cant grasp what negotiations and talking is ?
Team Povetkin isnt going to draw out contracts if Joshua is asking for extensions .
Negotiating was not actually happening until Finkel was out of the picture ,otherwise the fight negotiations would have not taken weeks AFTER the dates youare reffering to .
Heres a date for you since you like them so much !
““It was a good meeting," Finkel told ESPN.There are still some roads to cross but hopefully it will happen and we'll see the fight this year. If we're going to make the fight, the place where it will take place isn't going to be the problem."
"If is a condition for us to get the fight, that will not be an impediment on our side." S . Finkel June 5th 2018 . Concerning the fight ,2 days before what you posted . lol
Not sure why you're mentioning anything about a 72 hour July signing lol. You making up stuff to argue against me smh. Like I said making up stuff to have a counter argument is foolish. The article I linked contains the quote that I copied and pasted from Ryabinski , which was June 7th. It says it clearly at the top
So what you're saying is Ryabinski lied about being in negotiations with Hearn before the 24 hour stint? lol you keep digging a hole. I'm supposed to believe you over povetkin's promoter huh? As I said before you keep throwing out nonsense as if you were involved in these negotiations, trying to pass off your bs opinions as facts. You claim they were just talking, but clearly Ryabinski used the word negotiations.
It's simple. You have a hard time taking this L I understand.
Not sure why you posted those quotes from finkel. In no way does it help your arguments against me.
I never once said Hearns team shouldn't have been talking with povetkin's team. More lies by you. For the 100th time all I had did was point out that they were in negotiations before the wba 24 hour deadline. But you can't seem to get that through your thick skull.
You say negotiations didn't happen until finkel was out of the picture, but Ryabinski clearly said he was in negotiations with Hearn. This was clearly when Hearn was still in negotiations with Wilder's team, evidenced by the date of the article I linked to.
At this point it's getting sad and pathetic on your part. Like I said you mastered the art of idiocy and non sequiturs. You're boring me now.
I didnt agree with anything you said .Nothing you stated was based on fact besides Hearn talking to Povetkins team ( you didnt know deals are and have to be put in place anyway for options bc you haven't a clue ) .
A DEAL is what i just posted,its a signed agreement to fight Povetkin ....its not a signing contract .
You dont get forced into a contract in 24 hrs you fool . lol
You didnt address anything bc the events that took place were before that article and i explained why promoters work with or on other fights .
Wilder had his chance , Finkel then told the WBA to step in basically by going on social media ,bc they knew Wilder had no intention to sign the fight bc it would have been a rematch claus issue .It was one excuse after another ..
The only fact here is you talked in circles bc your a Wilderette ....see above bc it applies to you to ! :burnout:
Fool you tried to argue with me about Hearn negotiating with povetkins team while they were talking to wilders team, something I knew they were doing. It was sid who didn't think they were. I swear you're slow as hell.
It was more than a rematch clause issue and you know it. No date, no venue.
I never said anything about a "contract", so nice try. I said the wba gave them 24 hours to finalize a deal. I even linked the post. You're one of the clown posters on here, good riddance.
Hearn didn't get date or venue because he needed to move fast and get Wilder's signature before the WBA forced him to make the Povetkin fight. Hearn had already got the WBA to give him extra time for the Wilder fight twice so they weren't going to give him any more time. Had Hearn spent over a week getting date and venue sorted, the WBA would have called time because he didn't have Wilder's signature on the contract making the whole exercise pointless. But with Wilder's signature before the WBA called time, Hearn could have got the date and venue within a week or two. There shouldn't have been a problem. Hearn did it the right way. But Finkle wanted to force that mandatory, which is why he kept taking his time.
If the wba knew Hearn was getting a date and venue together, I doubt they would have called time. They only called time when they felt negotiations had stalled. As you and others have pointed out, Finkel sat on that deal for a while(which is where I fault wilders team) where in the meantime Hearn could have searched out a date and venue, and added it to an updated contract to remove all excuses Wilder's team could of had.
That's my take on it, you feel otherwise, fine. But this is where we're gonna have to agree to disagree and move on. I'm tired of coming back to this thread. Peace.
Lol they have upstaged the snore bout against Potvekin. It’s almost laughable now the fight with Potvekin is going on. Just admit it, AJ and Hearn got one upped.
It's been pretty quiet over there lol. No wonder Hearn got desperate and tried to get wilder to fight chisora or whyte for 8mil. Hearn had two wins on his plate to choose from. Either avoid wilder for an easy cash grab fight (Povetkin), or make the fight for the $15mil offer Wilder accepted. He tried to get both and failed.
You said the Povetkin fight was a cash grab. How can it be a cash grab if Povetkin is a mandatory? You HAVE to fight your mandatory regardless of how much money it makes or doesn't make. And even if it wasn't a mandatory, it still wouldn't be a cash grab fighting the number 3 heavyweight in the division. So yeah, what you said made no sense.
Hearn was in negotiations with Wilder and his team because they wanted that fight, but he was still going to stay in contact with Povetkins team just in case the Wilder fight fell through. Promoters do this because you don't put all your eggs in one basket in case a fight doesn't come off. At least you then have a back up and don't need to start from the get go with another fighter, you have the ground work sorted out.
The WBA wanted Hearn to go into negotiations and sign that fight off, yeah. But Hearn hadn't signed off on anything at this point because he was still dealing with Wilder. Hearn and Povetkins team had agreed a few things, but not all. You even said yourself that it took 2 weeks after this period to get everything signed and sealed. That's what the WBA wanted, for Hearn to go into negotiations and get EVERYTHING signed and sealed. I don't consider it to be proper negotiations unless you have a real intent to make the fight, which Hearn didn't at this point.
I didn't make myself look stupid in this thread at all, you did by claiming the Povetkin fight was a cash grab. Which, lets be honest, is ****ing stupid.
I called it a cash grab based on my opinion that Hearn wanted the fight first, due to wilder being a risky fight, and a loss to him would derail the money flow. Stop acting like you don't know how these promoters are.
The second paragraph is irrelevant, because all I did was point out that they were in negotiations beforehand. I never asked why or claimed to have a problem with it.
It doesn't matter what you consider to be proper negotiations, you aren't the one at the negotiating table so I could care less.
You claimed Hearn didn't get around to getting a date or venue for the biggest fight to be made in boxing, which is why it wasn't in the contract. This is where you really made yourself look stupid. Tell me where was his priorities at? He got one quick for povetkin though like I stated before. I say it's because he clearly didn't want the fight next, evidenced also by Barry Hearns statement, regardless of his reasoning. You guys need to stop acting like Hearn was a saint in these negotiations. Wilder's team wasn't either, but I put more of the blame on AJ's team, for reasons I already stated.
How is fighting Povetkin as a mandatory a cash grab? Do you Wilder fans even know how idiotic and delusional you come off as?
You know damn well Hearn didn't want that Wilder fight next. Hearn was happy as fuck when the wba issued that 24 hour deadline bs (which turned into 2 weeks). If you can't see that, then you need to go look in the mirror before you start slinging the words "idiotic" and "delusional" around.
Hearn was in talks with Ryabinski , so no! Negotiations were not underway at the time you claim bc Hearn had not signed on yet .
You dont start negotiations until a fight is established so you are the slow one ,your a Wilderette Come'on now you ain't going to win any debate with me . :doh:
The fight wasnt finalized until WEEKS later ,bc in fact the FINALIZED deal (agreement to fight )was the starting point for negotiations . The WBA cant demand a finalized contract in 24 hrs to get the fight done , they can request that team Joshua comply and acknowledge they are next .
This is what you ARE arguing.:stupid:
No, it's you who won't win a debate with me. You hardly win any debate on here, you only think you do because you have mastered the art of idiocy and non-sequiturs. I posted a link to the article where the wba gave Hearn 24 hours to close a deal, and you keep trying to twist my words by mentioning 'contract' in a pathetic attempt to have a counter argument. You talk as if you were part of these negotiations. You spew a lot of nonsense that you make up on your own. You spend 24/7 on here defending Hearn and AJ like a madman, when they don't even know who you are, or would give a **** about you.
“Negotiations with Eddie are going good. We have worked together before and feel that have a good enough relationship to handle things in a partner like manner. In the next week we hope to be able to provide more information on the location of the fight and the date. I think that Joshua will follow his obligations with the WBA and perform his mandatory against Povetkin.”
This comment was made by Ryabinski himself, while Hearn was still negotiating with Wilder's team. So who should I believe you or this article below? Keep taking these L's boy, you are done.
https://www.badlefthook.com/2018/6/7/17437232/povetkins-team-expects-fight-with-joshua-to-be-finalized-soon
Like the other poster said, you won't stop. You have no life, you're some loser who won't quit until you get the last word in, no matter how foolish you make yourself look. I'll sit back and continue to enjoy watching other posters rip you a new one.
"Not sure why you're mentioning anything about a 72 hour July signing lol.Not sure why you're mentioning anything about a 72 hour July signing lol "
Im mentioning it bc it shows how ridiculous that you thinik Hearn was in deep negotiations with team Povetkin --- That was IN July yet negotiations went well over what the WBA request which was just a signed agreement to fight NOT a FINAL signed contract .
The above proves you are wrong bc the sanctioning body would never put such a time frame on a fight of 48 hrs to get a final contract ( that would be a FINAL deal then )
You just dont get it that Hearn never was in negotiations he was in talks bc he needed to SIGN on to fight Povetkin then long before the WBA made its request and had that happened Ryabinski would never have granted Hearns extensions that were ALREADY over 2 months .....
The quote i posted was two days before yours which states Finkel admitting he was satisfied with Hearn negotiations . This is an ACTUAL negotiations bc both sides have made ACTUAL offers , again you just dont get it .
I'll concede outlines may have been in place but this isnt an actual negotiations bc Hearn never signed on to fight Povetkin , Hearn doesn't get his extensions if Ryabinski claiming Povetkin is next .
ACTUAL negotiations ( stipulations of a REAL contract ) would have to have taking place with Ryabinski and Hearn wouldn't be sending contracts to other parties if that was the case .
None of this happened until WBA stepped in on Ryabinski request .
“The Povetkin deal will be finalized in the next 72 hours,” Hearn said. “The Povetkin deal is virtually done"
https://www.boxingscene.com/joshua-vs-povetkin-deal-close-being-finalized-says-hearn--128903
This was from June 8th my friend lol, not sure where you're getting July from.
I'm not sure why you find it hard to believe they could have been in negotiations beforehand, there's no official rules to this that says they can't. You weren't at the table.
I never mentioned how deep in negotiations they were, you're putting words in my mouth on that one. You don't seem to get that all I said is that they were in negotiations beforehand. You said they weren't and I showed proof they were from Ryabinski's own mouth. Now you're trying to tell me what type of negotiations went on when you weren't even involved. All of that is nothing but your opinion that you're trying to present as facts and doesn't help you in any way. Negotiations is negotiations, no need to try and use words like 'outlines' , 'talks' and 'Actual negotiations' to twist things.
"I'll concede outlines may have been in place but this isnt an actual negotiations"
Now we're at the point where this is becoming nothing but a word game, and I'm not interested in going there. If Ryabinski said negotiations (the guy who was actually there) then that's who I'm going to believe. Forgive me for taking the words of the guy who was actually at the table. At this point you might as well go dm Ryabinski, and tell him next time use the word talks and not negotiations since he was "wrong" based on your eavesdropping, since you somehow seem to know what was actually spoken between them.
As I told sid, I'm done here. You're not changing my mind, and I'm not changing yours. Agree to disagree. If you see me in a different thread you can argue me a different topic, but I'm done with this one it's getting boring now.
The WBA wanted Joshua and Hearn to go into NEGOTIATINS with Povetkin, not get a deal done in 24 hours. It takes time to get deals sorted out.
When you call someone an idiot, it's best you don't spell something incorrectly. It's ironic and makes you look stupid.
They were already in negotiations from way before that 24 hour deadline, the wba wanted them to finalize the deal. You could've easily looked this up, but you're probably just playing ignorant hoping I didn't know the truth.
I haven't seem Joshua make one comment about the Wilder/Fury fight, and Hearn isn't talking much about it now either. So yeah, Hearn isn't talking about it non stop at all.
Oh look a mistake. How "Ironic" lol . So I guess you're stupid now, congrats. Like I said before you make mistakes too, so don't go around trying to call out people for little errors. Especially since you were the first one throwing out insults.
Learn to take L's. When you start grasping at straws (especially by becoming a grammar nazi) you just make yourself look ridiculous. You have no real comeback for anything I posted in my previous comment. Let it go and move on to a new thread, you have nothing for me.
Of course Hearn was sorting things with the Povetkin team, you don't put all your eggs in one basket in case the Wilder fight didn't come off. That's what promoters do, they don't just focus on one fight and have no back-ups. But the fight wasn't signed until they knew the Wilder fight definitely wasn't happening.
You called me stupid whilst making a spelling mistake in the very same sentence, I didn't do that. So no, it wasn't ironic on my end.
What was your previous comment? What did I refuse to answer? I've got an answer to all of your rubbish because you're talking bull****. So don't get ahead of yourself, you'll just make YOURSELF look stupid.
You said the wba wanted them to go into negotiations when they issued the 24 hour deadline. I pointed out that they were already in negotiations, because you were saying some other stuff that I don't care to go back and read.
You then proceeded to make mistakes of your own, especially since you were throwing out insults first. I don't care when you made the mistake. Everyone makes mistakes. It doesn't imply that one is an idiot or stupid as you tried to make it seem.
You've already made yourself look stupid. You have nothing for me. If you think you do, then go back and read any of my comments to you. I ain't holding your hand and doing it for you.
The WBA gave SEVERAL extentions to Hearn , so yea Hearn had to talk to them anyway .
Promoters just dont talk to ONE set of ppl at a time they plan ahead bc thats what they DO bc fights fall through , you dont know what you're talking about .
So you basically agreed with me only to tell me I don't know what I'm talking about lol. It's your boo sid-knee that thinks they weren't already negotiating with Povetkins team on the side. Next time try to comprehend what your reading, or else you'll look just as foolish as your homeboy.
The 24 hr deal you talk of is nonsense , the fact is they wanted Joshua with a sighed agreement from Hearn that they would fight Povetkin after Finkel made it clear on social media he was sending the contract back unsigned , this was after he had the contract over a week .
If Hearn didnt want the fight he would not have sent Finkel a contract and stalled Povetkin mandatory situation that long and dragged it out ,in fact he put out fake news that he signed Povetkin and immediately Finkel came out and said they accept a Joshua fight !
In which Hearn sent them the contract ! :oops:
Stop with the revisionist history lol. Here is the post from this website itself about the 24 hour deadline.
https://www.boxingscene.com/wba-gives-joshua-24-hours-close-deal-povetkin-fight--129452
I already addressed your last statement previously to your boy sid. I'm not gonna keep repeating myself over and over.
Dthat guy will never stop, he will find a way to argue in favor of hearn/aj even when there is none
lol yeah I've seen plenty of his comments. I'm Probably gonna ignore him and sid-knee from now on.
Wilder has (or had) a very good jab. Was one of the only punches that was textbook. he just doesn't use it anymore. Don't think he's really used it since he won the title.
It's literally how he won a bronze medal in the olympics though. He jabbed for three minutes.
Yeah Fury complimented his use of the double jab after the rematch. Wilder just needs to use it to set up his power punches instead of telegraphing them.
“I felt like Deontay’s jab had improved, and he did take his time more, like he said he would,” Fury said. “Yeah, and he was using his jab quite well, actually. I was very impressed with his double-jab that he was using. And credit to his team for applying that in this fight, because when you’ve got two giant guys, I think the jab is very important. It sets everything up”
Looks like garbage. Graphics is like from 2005.
Anything boxing here forward should be VR gear. There are various boxing apps where u actually workout. using an analog controller seems outdated imo. But I don’t play games anymore in a hot minute
All they showed was the opening trailer in the beginning. That gameplay footage was from fight night that came out in 2011.
Wilder’s pride will prevent him from stepping aside. I just don’t see him taking that route.
When Fury backed out of the rematch, Wilder should have just said F*** it and went after Joshua. The Ortiz rematch was unnecessary.
Isn’t fury coming in about 40+ pounds heavier than wilder? Of course wilder is gonna have trouble pushing him.
Pushing don’t win boxing matches last time I checked anyway.
thurman may want this but we all know al gaymon won't let it happen. his worst nightmare is his guys losing to bob arum guys. fury beating wilder was a huge blow to pbc. crawford is the best welterweight his skills and style makes him the favorite over any of the pbc welters. crawford would beat thurman via body shot. in addition to being skilled crawford is just too tough and gritty for thurman.
Crawford has a belt, Thurman doesn’t. It would be a risk worth taking to bring another belt across the street.
Pretty sure it still won’t be enough to feed his family. If 1.2mil wasn’t enough to get his family off the never ending top ramen noodles breakfast, lunch and dinner diet, then nothing Lomachenko can offer him will.
This would require Wilder to let the rematch clause go. Aj still has to get by Pulev. Wilder would be sick watching these two fight for undisputed so I think he takes the third fight and try to get the belt back.
I said that after the first fight but people said it’s too late in his career. If he takes the third fight I think he has to. Best to at least try something different.
Bronze,silver,gold,diamond,regular,super....etc
https://www.totalsportek.com/boxing/how-many-world-title-belts-are-there-in-boxing/
"6000 boxing belts worldwide: one of the biggest boxing statistics site called “boxrec” has produced a list of titles and they calculated around 350 little known titles at different levels of boxing pyramid alongside 4 major titles in every division, now there are around 17 weight classes and multiply 350 to 17 and you get around 6000 belts floating around the world of boxing from lower levels to elite level of boxing."
Sulaiman can't even slip one past the most stoner bro posters.
We are on to you! And have been for some time.
(Don't take offense people I quoted as I might even smoke more weed than you do... Just a light hearted joke.)
lol none taken, I can take a joke.
At this point even God is waiting on his “Creator” belt.