Comments Thread For: Wilder: Hearn, Joshua Are Envious - Said Fury Wouldn't Happen

"Not sure why you're mentioning anything about a 72 hour July signing lol.Not sure why you're mentioning anything about a 72 hour July signing lol " Im mentioning it bc it shows how ridiculous that you thinik Hearn was in deep negotiations with team Povetkin --- That was IN July yet negotiations went well over what the WBA request which was just a signed agreement to fight NOT a FINAL signed contract . The above proves you are wrong bc the sanctioning body would never put such a time frame on a fight of 48 hrs to get a final contract ( that would be a FINAL deal then ) You just dont get it that Hearn never was in negotiations he was in talks bc he needed to SIGN on to fight Povetkin then long before the WBA made its request and had that happened Ryabinski would never have granted Hearns extensions that were ALREADY over 2 months ..... The quote i posted was two days before yours which states Finkel admitting he was satisfied with Hearn negotiations . This is an ACTUAL negotiations bc both sides have made ACTUAL offers , again you just dont get it . I'll concede outlines may have been in place but this isnt an actual negotiations bc Hearn never signed on to fight Povetkin , Hearn doesn't get his extensions if Ryabinski claiming Povetkin is next . ACTUAL negotiations ( stipulations of a REAL contract ) would have to have taking place with Ryabinski and Hearn wouldn't be sending contracts to other parties if that was the case . None of this happened until WBA stepped in on Ryabinski request . “The Povetkin deal will be finalized in the next 72 hours,” Hearn said. “The Povetkin deal is virtually done" https://www.boxingscene.com/joshua-vs-povetkin-deal-close-being-finalized-says-hearn--128903 This was from June 8th my friend lol, not sure where you're getting July from. I'm not sure why you find it hard to believe they could have been in negotiations beforehand, there's no official rules to this that says they can't. You weren't at the table. I never mentioned how deep in negotiations they were, you're putting words in my mouth on that one. You don't seem to get that all I said is that they were in negotiations beforehand. You said they weren't and I showed proof they were from Ryabinski's own mouth. Now you're trying to tell me what type of negotiations went on when you weren't even involved. All of that is nothing but your opinion that you're trying to present as facts and doesn't help you in any way. Negotiations is negotiations, no need to try and use words like 'outlines' , 'talks' and 'Actual negotiations' to twist things. "I'll concede outlines may have been in place but this isnt an actual negotiations" Now we're at the point where this is becoming nothing but a word game, and I'm not interested in going there. If Ryabinski said negotiations (the guy who was actually there) then that's who I'm going to believe. Forgive me for taking the words of the guy who was actually at the table. At this point you might as well go dm Ryabinski, and tell him next time use the word talks and not negotiations since he was "wrong" based on your eavesdropping, since you somehow seem to know what was actually spoken between them. As I told sid, I'm done here. You're not changing my mind, and I'm not changing yours. Agree to disagree. If you see me in a different thread you can argue me a different topic, but I'm done with this one it's getting boring now.

If the wba knew Hearn was getting a date and venue together, I doubt they would have called time. They only called time when they felt negotiations had stalled. As you and others have pointed out, Finkel sat on that deal for a while(which is where I fault wilders team) where in the meantime Hearn could have searched out a date and venue, and added it to an updated contract to remove all excuses Wilder's team could of had. That's my take on it, you feel otherwise, fine. But this is where we're gonna have to agree to disagree and move on. I'm tired of coming back to this thread. Peace. The WBA had already given more time to Hearn so they didn't care about anything other than a signed contract. When that wasn't forthcoming, they demanded Joshua sign to fight Povetkin. At the point when Finkle was sitting about for a month, Hearn genuinely thought they weren't going to take the fight, so why would he find a date and venue to a fight he thought wasn't going to happen? If you don't want to reply, that's fine. But what i'm saying is not only the truth, but i'm being reasonable in how things came about.

Hearn didn't get date or venue because he needed to move fast and get Wilder's signature before the WBA forced him to make the Povetkin fight. Hearn had already got the WBA to give him extra time for the Wilder fight twice so they weren't going to give him any more time. Had Hearn spent over a week getting date and venue sorted, the WBA would have called time because he didn't have Wilder's signature on the contract making the whole exercise pointless. But with Wilder's signature before the WBA called time, Hearn could have got the date and venue within a week or two. There shouldn't have been a problem. Hearn did it the right way. But Finkle wanted to force that mandatory, which is why he kept taking his time. If the wba knew Hearn was getting a date and venue together, I doubt they would have called time. They only called time when they felt negotiations had stalled. As you and others have pointed out, Finkel sat on that deal for a while(which is where I fault wilders team) where in the meantime Hearn could have searched out a date and venue, and added it to an updated contract to remove all excuses Wilder's team could of had. That's my take on it, you feel otherwise, fine. But this is where we're gonna have to agree to disagree and move on. I'm tired of coming back to this thread. Peace.

I called it a cash grab based on my opinion that Hearn wanted the fight first, due to wilder being a risky fight, and a loss to him would derail the money flow. Stop acting like you don't know how these promoters are. The second paragraph is irrelevant, because all I did was point out that they were in negotiations beforehand. I never asked why or claimed to have a problem with it. It doesn't matter what you consider to be proper negotiations, you aren't the one at the negotiating table so I could care less. You claimed Hearn didn't get around to getting a date or venue for the biggest fight to be made in boxing, which is why it wasn't in the contract. This is where you really made yourself look stupid. Tell me where was his priorities at? He got one quick for povetkin though like I stated before. I say it's because he clearly didn't want the fight next, evidenced also by Barry Hearns statement, regardless of his reasoning. You guys need to stop acting like Hearn was a saint in these negotiations. Wilder's team wasn't either, but I put more of the blame on AJ's team, for reasons I already stated. Hearn didn't get date or venue because he needed to move fast and get Wilder's signature before the WBA forced him to make the Povetkin fight. Hearn had already got the WBA to give him extra time for the Wilder fight twice so they weren't going to give him any more time. Had Hearn spent over a week getting date and venue sorted, the WBA would have called time because he didn't have Wilder's signature on the contract making the whole exercise pointless. But with Wilder's signature before the WBA called time, Hearn could have got the date and venue within a week or two. There shouldn't have been a problem. Hearn did it the right way. But Finkle wanted to force that mandatory, which is why he kept taking his time.

You said the Povetkin fight was a cash grab. How can it be a cash grab if Povetkin is a mandatory? You HAVE to fight your mandatory regardless of how much money it makes or doesn't make. And even if it wasn't a mandatory, it still wouldn't be a cash grab fighting the number 3 heavyweight in the division. So yeah, what you said made no sense. Hearn was in negotiations with Wilder and his team because they wanted that fight, but he was still going to stay in contact with Povetkins team just in case the Wilder fight fell through. Promoters do this because you don't put all your eggs in one basket in case a fight doesn't come off. At least you then have a back up and don't need to start from the get go with another fighter, you have the ground work sorted out. The WBA wanted Hearn to go into negotiations and sign that fight off, yeah. But Hearn hadn't signed off on anything at this point because he was still dealing with Wilder. Hearn and Povetkins team had agreed a few things, but not all. You even said yourself that it took 2 weeks after this period to get everything signed and sealed. That's what the WBA wanted, for Hearn to go into negotiations and get EVERYTHING signed and sealed. I don't consider it to be proper negotiations unless you have a real intent to make the fight, which Hearn didn't at this point. I didn't make myself look stupid in this thread at all, you did by claiming the Povetkin fight was a cash grab. Which, lets be honest, is ****ing stupid. I called it a cash grab based on my opinion that Hearn wanted the fight first, due to wilder being a risky fight, and a loss to him would derail the money flow. Stop acting like you don't know how these promoters are. The second paragraph is irrelevant, because all I did was point out that they were in negotiations beforehand. I never asked why or claimed to have a problem with it. It doesn't matter what you consider to be proper negotiations, you aren't the one at the negotiating table so I could care less. You claimed Hearn didn't get around to getting a date or venue for the biggest fight to be made in boxing, which is why it wasn't in the contract. This is where you really made yourself look stupid. Tell me where was his priorities at? He got one quick for povetkin though like I stated before. I say it's because he clearly didn't want the fight next, evidenced also by Barry Hearns statement, regardless of his reasoning. You guys need to stop acting like Hearn was a saint in these negotiations. Wilder's team wasn't either, but I put more of the blame on AJ's team, for reasons I already stated.

You said the wba wanted them to go into negotiations when they issued the 24 hour deadline. I pointed out that they were already in negotiations, because you were saying some other stuff that I don't care to go back and read. You then proceeded to make mistakes of your own, especially since you were throwing out insults first. I don't care when you made the mistake. Everyone makes mistakes. It doesn't imply that one is an idiot or stupid as you tried to make it seem. You've already made yourself look stupid. You have nothing for me. If you think you do, then go back and read any of my comments to you. I ain't holding your hand and doing it for you. You said the Povetkin fight was a cash grab. How can it be a cash grab if Povetkin is a mandatory? You HAVE to fight your mandatory regardless of how much money it makes or doesn't make. And even if it wasn't a mandatory, it still wouldn't be a cash grab fighting the number 3 heavyweight in the division. So yeah, what you said made no sense. Hearn was in negotiations with Wilder and his team because they wanted that fight, but he was still going to stay in contact with Povetkins team just in case the Wilder fight fell through. Promoters do this because you don't put all your eggs in one basket in case a fight doesn't come off. At least you then have a back up and don't need to start from the get go with another fighter, you have the ground work sorted out. The WBA wanted Hearn to go into negotiations and sign that fight off, yeah. But Hearn hadn't signed off on anything at this point because he was still dealing with Wilder. Hearn and Povetkins team had agreed a few things, but not all. You even said yourself that it took 2 weeks after this period to get everything signed and sealed. That's what the WBA wanted, for Hearn to go into negotiations and get EVERYTHING signed and sealed. I don't consider it to be proper negotiations unless you have a real intent to make the fight, which Hearn didn't at this point. I didn't make myself look stupid in this thread at all, you did by claiming the Povetkin fight was a cash grab. Which, lets be honest, is ****ing stupid.

Now that this fight is a go(so far), I think they shouldn't even mention Hearn or Joshua. Show it's all about them and give Joshua no attention at all. The fight is a go has there been an official announcement can you send me the link please.

Of course Hearn was sorting things with the Povetkin team, you don't put all your eggs in one basket in case the Wilder fight didn't come off. That's what promoters do, they don't just focus on one fight and have no back-ups. But the fight wasn't signed until they knew the Wilder fight definitely wasn't happening. You called me stupid whilst making a spelling mistake in the very same sentence, I didn't do that. So no, it wasn't ironic on my end. What was your previous comment? What did I refuse to answer? I've got an answer to all of your rubbish because you're talking bull****. So don't get ahead of yourself, you'll just make YOURSELF look stupid. You said the wba wanted them to go into negotiations when they issued the 24 hour deadline. I pointed out that they were already in negotiations, because you were saying some other stuff that I don't care to go back and read. You then proceeded to make mistakes of your own, especially since you were throwing out insults first. I don't care when you made the mistake. Everyone makes mistakes. It doesn't imply that one is an idiot or stupid as you tried to make it seem. You've already made yourself look stupid. You have nothing for me. If you think you do, then go back and read any of my comments to you. I ain't holding your hand and doing it for you.

Hearn just had a video come out yesterday of him talking about the fight :lol1: I said Hearn isn't talking about it MUCH, not that he's not talking about it full-stop. Besides, he's a promoter so he's going to talk about fights happening. It's a bit different though when fighters are talking non stop about another fighter though.

They were already in negotiations from way before that 24 hour deadline, the wba wanted them to finalize the deal. You could've easily looked this up, but you're probably just playing ignorant hoping I didn't know the truth. Oh look a mistake. How "Ironic" lol . So I guess you're stupid now, congrats. Like I said before you make mistakes too, so don't go around trying to call out people for little errors. Especially since you were the first one throwing out insults. Learn to take L's. When you start grasping at straws (especially by becoming a grammar nazi) you just make yourself look ridiculous. You have no real comeback for anything I posted in my previous comment. Let it go and move on to a new thread, you have nothing for me. Of course Hearn was sorting things with the Povetkin team, you don't put all your eggs in one basket in case the Wilder fight didn't come off. That's what promoters do, they don't just focus on one fight and have no back-ups. But the fight wasn't signed until they knew the Wilder fight definitely wasn't happening. You called me stupid whilst making a spelling mistake in the very same sentence, I didn't do that. So no, it wasn't ironic on my end. What was your previous comment? What did I refuse to answer? I've got an answer to all of your rubbish because you're talking bull****. So don't get ahead of yourself, you'll just make YOURSELF look stupid.

Except it is you who Fooked up ! " A WBA heavyweight title fight between champion Anthony Joshua and Alexander Povetkin will be "finalised in the next 72 hours", says promoter Eddie Hearn. " Funny i must have missed the 72 hr signing in JULY ? lol In the same article (you probably didnt read ) "There would also be an agreement for a unification fight against WBC champion Deontay Wilder in February 2019 at Cardiff's Principality Stadium. " We know the above quote is false bc Hearn put it out there to get Finkel to come out which he did , Cardiff in February ? lol Do you see where you fooked up yet ? Hearn kept asking for extensions to postpone Povetkin ,had negotiations began with Povetkin there wouldn't be ANY postponement requests from Hearn spanning over 2 months . Again you fool . Wilder agreed to terms in June this was well after Hearn was delaying Povetkin .,who was several months due his mandatory . Hearn says a deal with Wilder will be done "in the next month". You're whole argument is nonsensical bc your assuming Hearn shouldn't be talking with Povetkins team even though he was the mandatory ? Negotiating took place well over the WBA 24 hr demand ,WEEKS in fact . Had actual negotiations began in July Hearn would not have requested postponements bc Ryabinski would not grant it . You just cant grasp what negotiations and talking is ? Team Povetkin isnt going to draw out contracts if Joshua is asking for extensions . Negotiating was not actually happening until Finkel was out of the picture ,otherwise the fight negotiations would have not taken weeks AFTER the dates youare reffering to . Heres a date for you since you like them so much ! ““It was a good meeting," Finkel told ESPN.There are still some roads to cross but hopefully it will happen and we'll see the fight this year. If we're going to make the fight, the place where it will take place isn't going to be the problem." "If is a condition for us to get the fight, that will not be an impediment on our side." S . Finkel June 5th 2018 . Concerning the fight ,2 days before what you posted . lol Not sure why you're mentioning anything about a 72 hour July signing lol. You making up stuff to argue against me smh. Like I said making up stuff to have a counter argument is foolish. The article I linked contains the quote that I copied and pasted from Ryabinski , which was June 7th. It says it clearly at the top So what you're saying is Ryabinski lied about being in negotiations with Hearn before the 24 hour stint? lol you keep digging a hole. I'm supposed to believe you over povetkin's promoter huh? As I said before you keep throwing out nonsense as if you were involved in these negotiations, trying to pass off your bs opinions as facts. You claim they were just talking, but clearly Ryabinski used the word negotiations. It's simple. You have a hard time taking this L I understand. Not sure why you posted those quotes from finkel. In no way does it help your arguments against me. I never once said Hearns team shouldn't have been talking with povetkin's team. More lies by you. For the 100th time all I had did was point out that they were in negotiations before the wba 24 hour deadline. But you can't seem to get that through your thick skull. You say negotiations didn't happen until finkel was out of the picture, but Ryabinski clearly said he was in negotiations with Hearn. This was clearly when Hearn was still in negotiations with Wilder's team, evidenced by the date of the article I linked to. At this point it's getting sad and pathetic on your part. Like I said you mastered the art of idiocy and non sequiturs. You're boring me now.

The link you posted was AFTER the fact in what you were arguing . You fool. You stated the WBA demanded a 24 hr period in which YOU thought was a FINAL negotiations agreement . That was not the case bc the negotiations went on for weeks bc the WBA were demanding a final agreement to fight to get negotiations underway this is a fact and the actual announcement of AGREED terms would show that by the date AFTER the WBA made the 24 request..:stupid: You keep posting links that actually counter what you are saying bc it shows that it conflicts with you stating the WBA demanding a 24 hr finalized deal bc in FACT a deal was met and then negotiations continued well over the period of the link you posted . You dont even know what you're arguing about now bc if in your twisted head the WBA were insisting on a FINAL deal that would suggest a contract be agreed to in 24hr ? Which isnt reality . Yet your telling me you're not mentioning contracts yet that would be the case if a 24 hr period was given to make a FINAL deal ? What a dope you are . lol This is what happens when stupid ppl think that posting links make them look smart , however you also have to know what you're talking about , you clearly dont ! :twak: The link I posted was from June 7th, well before the wba issued that 24 hour ****, which shows the date of June 26th in the boxing scene article for the 24 hour ordeal. When I had originally stated to sid that they were in negotiations before the wba 24 hour deadline. You tried to say otherwise and failed. So I linked proof which proved my point. Now you're trying to change your words up to save face, it won't work lol. "Hearn was in talks with Ryabinski , so no! Negotiations were not underway at the time you claim bc Hearn had not signed on yet ." Your words not mine hahaha. You should have never quoted me now look how foolish you're starting to make yourself look. I backed myself up with facts, while you continue to make up stuff. Then when get proven wrong change your words up. You're a special kind of stupid. I think I'm about done with you, I have nothing left to prove. You'll continue with the nonsense even though you know you fucked up lol.

Hearn just had a video come out yesterday of him talking about the fight :lol1: He's more preoccupied with talking about it than the fight he's promoting in 4 weeks.

Hearn was in talks with Ryabinski , so no! Negotiations were not underway at the time you claim bc Hearn had not signed on yet . You dont start negotiations until a fight is established so you are the slow one ,your a Wilderette Come'on now you ain't going to win any debate with me . :doh: The fight wasnt finalized until WEEKS later ,bc in fact the FINALIZED deal (agreement to fight )was the starting point for negotiations . The WBA cant demand a finalized contract in 24 hrs to get the fight done , they can request that team Joshua comply and acknowledge they are next . This is what you ARE arguing.:stupid: No, it's you who won't win a debate with me. You hardly win any debate on here, you only think you do because you have mastered the art of idiocy and non-sequiturs. I posted a link to the article where the wba gave Hearn 24 hours to close a deal, and you keep trying to twist my words by mentioning 'contract' in a pathetic attempt to have a counter argument. You talk as if you were part of these negotiations. You spew a lot of nonsense that you make up on your own. You spend 24/7 on here defending Hearn and AJ like a madman, when they don't even know who you are, or would give a **** about you. “Negotiations with Eddie are going good. We have worked together before and feel that have a good enough relationship to handle things in a partner like manner. In the next week we hope to be able to provide more information on the location of the fight and the date. I think that Joshua will follow his obligations with the WBA and perform his mandatory against Povetkin.” This comment was made by Ryabinski himself, while Hearn was still negotiating with Wilder's team. So who should I believe you or this article below? Keep taking these L's boy, you are done. https://www.badlefthook.com/2018/6/7/17437232/povetkins-team-expects-fight-with-joshua-to-be-finalized-soon Like the other poster said, you won't stop. You have no life, you're some loser who won't quit until you get the last word in, no matter how foolish you make yourself look. I'll sit back and continue to enjoy watching other posters rip you a new one.

Quick negotiation! If fighters really want it, promoters can't do anything about it. Fury is the man for having the balls to fight Wilder. I won't even mention the name of the scared promoter and fighter coz it's not worth it! Damn quick making this one!

Wilder and Fury can't stop mentioning Joshua all the time, so yes, they need him to promote this ****-fest. But lets see if they can sell it without Joshua's name coming up all the time like two insecure little *****es. I haven't seem Joshua make one comment about the Wilder/Fury fight, and Hearn isn't talking much about it now either. So yeah, Hearn isn't talking about it non stop at all. Hearn just had a video come out yesterday of him talking about the fight :lol1:

The Wilderettes want to sound smart but reality theyre just not. Instead they blame the guys that had no control of Wilder deciding to go back on his agreement to Hearns stipulations in the process anyone with an ounce of intelligence would see its the guy demanding 50% who doesnt actually want the fight unless he gets money hes never remotely generated . If Wilder defeats Fury it makes the Joshua fight easier ,they act like Hearn has messed up when Wilder is only helping grow that fight ( given he wins )No logical thought process at all ...... all around the board . Well its quite simple, if you think Joshua is avoiding the fight then i don't know what to say. Is Wilder avoiding the fight too because of his demands? You can look at it with an unbiase eye or just gloss over it and make it look like Wilder is doing everything to make it happen.

I didnt agree with anything you said .Nothing you stated was based on fact besides Hearn talking to Povetkins team ( you didnt know deals are and have to be put in place anyway for options bc you haven't a clue ) . A DEAL is what i just posted,its a signed agreement to fight Povetkin ....its not a signing contract . You dont get forced into a contract in 24 hrs you fool . lol You didnt address anything bc the events that took place were before that article and i explained why promoters work with or on other fights . Wilder had his chance , Finkel then told the WBA to step in basically by going on social media ,bc they knew Wilder had no intention to sign the fight bc it would have been a rematch claus issue .It was one excuse after another .. The only fact here is you talked in circles bc your a Wilderette ....see above bc it applies to you to ! :burnout: Fool you tried to argue with me about Hearn negotiating with povetkins team while they were talking to wilders team, something I knew they were doing. It was sid who didn't think they were. I swear you're slow as hell. It was more than a rematch clause issue and you know it. No date, no venue. I never said anything about a "contract", so nice try. I said the wba gave them 24 hours to finalize a deal. I even linked the post. You're one of the clown posters on here, good riddance.

Dthat guy will never stop, he will find a way to argue in favor of hearn/aj even when there is none lol yeah I've seen plenty of his comments. I'm Probably gonna ignore him and sid-knee from now on.

I doubt it but I guess everything depends on how well the Wilder/Fury PPV does and if a lot of US fans don't buy DAZN streaming app. US and Brit fans will watch WIlder/Fury but will US fans purchase DAZN to see AJ fight a dude they only know as a PED cheater that got killed by wlad in a fight that was horrible to watch? Not a lot of UK fans would buy Fury against Wilder. The reason are quite simple, the fight is happening in america, Fury doesn't have that Ricky Hatton fanbase (Casuals) who would stay up at 4am to buy it. I don't even think DAZN comes into the equation, they are a streaming site like most of the other streaming sites that are around. So am hoping this fight gets sold by the hype surrounding Wilder at the moment over in america, this whole Joshua thing has been the best thing to happen to his career till date, And they need to jump on it and make hay whilst the sun shine. Because if it does well then they can put their PPV numbers on the table against Joshua's and demand whatever their market value deserve, until then i cannot accuse Joshua of "avoiding" the fight when he made them a good offer as the A-side. Like Mayweather said "You cannot be making 2Million and then want to make 10M against me".