Have we found out more about these claims and what exactly A-Side meth is? I member Big Floyd talking about Pac using this years ago but it seems the story went away
He was referring to cortisone, EPO, HGH and methamphetamine.
He's been a breath of fresh air up to this point. I have no problem with Haymon buying up TV air space to get his fighters dates. In fact it should encourage others to do so. The Rigo situation is a prime example. After his greatest victory he was frozen out by HBO. 20 dates on NBC Sports and 3 on NBC. Why would any real boxing fan have a problem with that?
When it's a black guy, apparently.
Think about it. Most to fans clamor for boxing's return to TV and moan about the big networks' reluctance to invest in it.
Not here comes a guy who's willing to invest his own money into buying slots to showcase and air fights -- taking on the costs himself! -- and people bytch about it?!
Are people for real?? If this were Arum, he'd be lauded as the messiah, the savior of boxing.
Just like people said when he made that Mosley-Pacquiao stinker and got CBS involved in the marketing. "Forget the match, it's good for BOXING! They're investing in the SPORT!"
Now that they invest more than they ever had, people complain that they're losing money on the Floyd deal (the same people that complained about Floyd's inactivity), complain that this guy is trying to invest money into bringing more boxing to the mainstream and to the fans.
I just don't understand this sometimes.
Or he is getting them through his PED abusing conditioning coach in the gym that has knowingly trained multiple PED users (his conditioning coach being one of them).
#LarryOlubawimo
Would a positive blood test be clear evidence? If the answer is yes-we can guess why manny refused.
If the answer is no-its hard to understand the refusal.
He did refuse the tests. Why else didn't the fight happen?
His only compromise was announced testing or a 30-day cut-off period, which allows you to juice up all kinds of stuff.
Later that year, they only agreed to testing up until 7 days, which is when they said "oh, we agree to all his demands!"
They only said this when they knew the cut-off compromise was off the table. And they could still get at least 80% of the benefits with the 7-day cut-off.
Of course, EPO can be out of the system in a day or so.
All things considered, if I'm Mayweather and seeing this reaction, I'd consider all of that major red flags.
I think any sensible person would agree with that.
Don't waste your breath trying to explain this to this guy. Trust me he knows Pacquaio didnt
refuse anything. Its in newspaper and print that both sides walked away but these dudes are just hard headed. Its just pure hate because the little dude can fight and the ped accusations by Floyd haven't moved from nothing but speculation for 7 or 8 years now. Anyone with common sense can see that he didn't outright refuse anything except these ride or die floyd fans. Everybody has moved on from 2007 except these guys but if they want to stay on floyd island hey let em.
Since 2007 Pac has been interviewed thousands of times, and every time Its the same response. He'll do any kind of blood/urine tests floyd wants to do. Thats good enough. Anybody not satisfied with that imo is on some deep rooted hate.
He can say what he wants. That means little. (He doesn't call the shots in his camp anyway, Arum does.) What means a lot, however, is running from tests while coming up with irrational reasons for doing so.
Not to mention suing the guy you're claiming to want to do business with. He could've taken the tests, beat his a$$ and THEN sue him.
It's just all very flimsy and suspect.
Plenty of evidence has been posted. all you do is discount it. Manny has never tested positive because he has never taken advanced testing other than the Rios fight.
That's like rewarding someone for not cheating on their wife when they've never been married.
Since manny refused advanced testing for the floyd fight, the only thing we can evaluate is that decision.
Many people feel that is not a decision a man who was clean would make and as such are suspicious.
Manny not taking those test prevents anyone from establishing guilt or innocence.
Don't think he used steroids.
However, I am about 90% sure he used HGH, EPO, cortisone and possibly methamphetamine.
He may have used steroids as well at some point.
The Pacquiao-Cotto fight is one of the most amazing displays of cheating I have ever seen. Of course, a sports fan views this differently; elite sports is where amazing happens.
Unfortunately it's not real. That fight reminded me of Floyd Landis cinching the Tour De France stage in a super human feat a day after being left in the dust.
He took a near-lethal shot of dope, shot up through those mountains like the Roadrunner and beat everyone.
That's what it looked like to me.
Like Victor Conte says -- who knows a thing or two about this combination of dope (he fueled Shane Mosley, after all) -- we should all be wary of guys who suddenly ****e in performance after lengthy periods of stagnation.
If you also consider the fact his dramatic increase in performance -- as well as others' -- correlated with the new training led by a guy known in boxing circles to provide his boxers with EPO with a sudden decline the moment said trainer leaves, it's really not hard to put together the pieces.
Added to all this damning information, consider the facts that this guy 1) ran from the tests and sued -- a common tactic by doping cheaters, 2) requested testing the moment said trainer showed up in the opposite corner and 3) while still having his trademark explosive skill, suddenly looked human; he fatigued, he was no longer impervious to pain and his punches failed to dent a guy coming from lightweight when he would previously leave permanent damage on junior middleweights.
(And Lance Armstrong was never caught, either, by the way.)
All things considered, if one can't see what's going on, it's hard to argue that one is being objective.
hmmm....this is really far out....
let us go back...
"Not to mention suing the guy you're claiming to want to do business with." what's wrong with this?
"He could've taken the tests, beat his a$$"....are you sure the test issue is REALLY the last issue to the fight happening? what about bob? no ppv? and the gloves?
"and THEN sue him." why after the fight?
just asking....
Thank you for your response. I'd be glad to answer you.
1) Everything is wrong with it. You're creating a roadblock. Moreover, it's a common tactic of drug cheaters on the brink of being exposed. Shane Mosley sued. Lance Armstrong. Floyd Landis.
2) Yes, it was the only issue. Mayweather had already signed the bout agreement. So of Pacquiao had signed his, the fight would've gone down in March 2010.
The reason he doesn't want to work with Bob is due to the whole fiasco with trying to make the fight again in 2011/2012 and Arum's 213,499,444 silly excuses. Arum lied to the public about wanting to make the fight while telling the GB-TR mediator in private "we have no desire to pursue a Mayweather fight at this time; were pursuing Marquez 4 on May 5th."
Not to mention Arum slandering Mayweather every chance he gets while trying to undercut his PPVs. Trying to take money out of someone's pocket is NOT the way you build relationships with someone you claim to want to do business with. Come on.
Besides, Arum went ON THE RECORD and said, "we have no desire to do business with Golden Boy Promotions."
So this is why he said after the Cotto fight, "Arum won't let the fight happen." THIS IS THE REASON why they refuse to deal with him; it's too much of a headache. Notice how fast Mayweather-Cotto got made after he left To Prank.
As for the no PPV thing, that's just a common misconception financially illiterate fans run with. How do they think they were going to finance Pacquiao's guarantee? Merchandise and hot dog sales?
For the record, the Canelo fight yielded $75m (max) in gross profits from PPV. PPV is about 80% of the total money pot.
So if the PAC fight generated the same record-breaking numbers, that would have left $90m to the promotion.
People throw around these crazy numbers, as if Mayweather would've kept $200m to himself. Satellite and distributor take about 50-55%.
Do the math. That leaves about $90m + other revenue streams (about $20m). So people saying he would get no PPV don't know what they're talking about. I'm not even sure Pacquiao knew.
3) Yes, sue him after the fight. There would be no cloud of suspicion, he would have a much stronger case, he would've gotten a career high $30m+ purse.
Instead, he went and fought Clottey, lowered his negotiation leverage by drawing half (700K PPV buys) of what Mayweather went on to draw against Mosley while only making around $10m.
Add lawyer fees and owed advances to To Prank and Manny was left with little.
Thank you very much for posing the questions in a nice, sensible and mature manner. I appreciate it.
Nothing I said makes sense yet u were able to respond back with the above so either I'm not making any sense or ur not making any sense lol. U said Armstrong was doing the same combo PAC was likely on. That right there void ur whole argument because PAC has not been caught yet! so how the phuck do u know more about PAC than PAC himself? lmao!
Armstrong was never caught either, genius. He was ratted out years later after suing everything on sight who would dare suggest he was dirty.
Applying something from 2013-14-manny's real tax problems-to 2010 when he refused tetsing 1st time and 2012 when he refused for the JMM 4 fight. OK.
Dunn, I don't know why you bother. That dude is so dumb I'm really astounded at the increased levels of stupidity that comes from him when he tries to make or defend a point. (Either that or he's just really young. This is teenage reasoning on display here.)
But then again, it's no surprise. Like another poster said, you're dealing with fanaticism, not reason.
He will not admit anything is suspicious because his entire paradigm would literally crumble.
speculation should not taken as facts. in arguments all party should deal with facts. your post alternate between speculation and irrelevant data not related to the matter at hand.
How so? How is it irrelevant? I simply answered the man's questions in the order they were posed. Stop with the feeble minded nonsense.
um no, pretty sure i was right the first time. u typed all that up as if those are facts when the truth is those are just ur opinions. LOL! 30 day cut off allows u to juice all kinds of stuff LMAO! floyd doesnt do year round testing, thats a red flag for me! floyd so sprung off of and accusing other fighters of cheating. thats a red flag for me! floyd's own team has been caught more than on one occasion, thats a red flag to me!
Nothing to do with opinion. It IS fact, as per those who do it. Floyd Landis said it himself, as did Lance Armstrong.
Armstrong happened to be doing the same combo Pacquiao was likely on.
Nothing you said made sense.
Gotta admire this dude. Ride it till the wheels fall off
In some sick way, yes. I wonder how he reacted when he found out Santa Claus wasn't real.
Evol, that is.
Watch out guys, we have a ped expert in here lol!!! Maybe that's why Floyd doesn't do year around testing? lmao!
Ah! The classic insult, sandwiched by LOLs and "lmao". The ultimate go-to move when facts expose a bias.
Perhaps you meant to say, "watch out guys, we have a guy actually being reasonable and objective in here!" I could see why that would prompt laughs though.
So you're saying you wouldn't agree and you wouldn't consider this red flags if you were Mayweather?
OK. Fair enough.
well they agreed to the testing. the cut-off date is the problem. remember the first negotiation, initially pac wanted 6 weeks and floyd wanted 2. when negotiating both party must move toward the middle. guess what when pac move toward 3 weeks, floyd move to 0 weeks. its so obvious that it's not about blood testing- its about having an alibi to get out of the fight. its weird that floyd fans is not aware of the succeeding alibis- there's so many its not even funny. no floyd fans can ever say what drugs pac is on. its as vague as floyd's uncles aside-meth. if a guy is "blatantly" cheating then he tested positive for something.
Not that I'm a Floyd fan, I'm a truth fan, but I can tell you with 90% certainty what he was on based on very, very strong, varied and credible accounts.
And no, you do not need to be tested positive to be blatantly cheating. Look at Ben Johnson in 1987. He didn't get busted but he was blatantly cheating.
Lance on one of his explosive raids on the peleton. Marco Pantani. Shane Mosley. Never tested positive. I don't mean this in a mean way but we have to stop living in a fantasy world.
We agree.
Walking away from a fight because your opponent suggested you both take tests raises suspicions.
Asking a different opponent to take the tests then saying no testing is needed when he asks you do same tests is even more suspicious.
I never said manny was guilty. All I said was his actions made him look suspicious.
At the very least.
And the best way to clear any suspicions before they could even mount was to take the tests and kick his a$$.
Instead he refused the tests, came up with illogical excuses, called it a ducking tactic even though the request was there in the first draft, asked for loopholes and announced testing (super suspicious), then LEFT the negotiating table, and ultimately sued the other side for requesting the tests.
(How anyone could blame Mayweather for this is beyond me.)
I don't care if you're the biggest Pacquiao fan in the world -- and I happen to be one -- but that is awfully suspicious to me.
Other guys later exposed as cheaters would use this lawsuit tactic to silence people as well. Lance Armstrong did it a lot. So did Shane Mosley, when he claimed ignorance and sued for the implication that he was aware that was doping.
Of course, he later admitted to knowing full well what he was doing, leading to a prompt dismissal of the case.
There are tons of other examples of cheaters getting defiant and going the legal route. The best way would've been to just take the test and destroy Floyd in the manner he did Cotto -- that would've silenced any suspicions before they could ever get life.
Instead they chose the other route. It stinks.
If I were a clean athlete in this predicament, I would definitely want to take the tests just to prove something and THEN sue, if the insinuations turned out to be unfounded.
If you took the tests, kicked his behind in the same destructive manner while proving it was natural, I'm sure your case -- from a legal standpoint -- would be stronger as well...
Lol. Coulda woulda shoulda. Floyd coulda dropped the whole OST debacle and went ahead with the fight. Or better still, just went ahead with the 3 blood test Manny was willing to spot him. All of Floyd's other demands were agreed upon. It works both ways man.
Again, you got one cat who fights who they put in front of him,
Vs one cat who fights who he puts in front of himself, only if you play by all his rules. Everybody ain't gotta bow down like that man thats life.
Not if one guy is blatantly cheating and if they feel they had reason to believe he was, they're well within their rights to ask for testing that can expose it when the post-fight test is just about useless.
And asking for announced testing is like saying "Let me juice in peace!" It's so suspect it's not even funny.
I think this is Mrs. Thompson(they embraced a second before) AKA Mrs. Tony-Put-Me-In-A-Wheelchair-With-His-Lovin'. Pic is from the first fight.
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That is her! I've seen two pictures of her.
The point wasn't whether the crowd will be partisan. The point is that Herning is not Kessler's backyard. Far from it. There's actually a regional rivalry between people from the Herning region and Copenhagen.
A guy was beat to death not too long ago for having a Copenhagen accent. Although it's an isolated incident, it does illustrate the regional tensions. So no, the only reason to stage it in Herning is due to site fees - which Herning is known to slang like candy.
He didn't technically fight in Kessler's backyard. They fought in Herning which is about as far from Copenhagen as you can get in Denmark. That's why they're comparing it to London and Nottingham. Because in Denmark that is what it is.
Herning is a promoter town, they've gotten Beyonce, Madonna and people like that to come so they're known for paying hefty site fees. So to say they fought in Kessler's backyard is not true. It's very expensive to travel from Copenhagen to Herning. You either have to fly, pay massive toll fees or pay $150 for a train ride.
So much HIV AIDS in one post... Pac was 152 on fight night so you're saying Floyd was 167? I know he didn't disclose his weight but its hard to imagine that being even close to the truth since he has never stepped into the ring higher than 152 unless you believe the myths of him weighing 168 against Marquez (loool). Golovkin 5'9? He's 5'11 at the least but since we're making up heights hey lets roll with that.
How do you have so much green k.... you consistently post complete nonsense and you never post outside of MayPac topics. Just shows how much of a joke this forum is sometimes.
He actually did disclose it. It was 149, meaning Pacquiao outweighed him by three pounds. He just didn't share it on the telecast but the commission weighed him.
149 pounds, less than recent lightweight champions come into the ring at. The commission has the info.
No you wrote 10,000 words of nonsense.
Tell me Floyds share on a fight that generates 3m PPV buys?
I would guess Floyd makes 120 around 3x the flat offer.
THE LIVE GATE IS A NON FACTOR, PPV BUYS MAKE THE LOOT.
You fail, you sound like a kid that just did his first year of community college accountancy.
GTFOH TurboTax
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Right, PPV is the biggest revenue stream. So where do you suppose Manny's cut comes from then?
You're clearly very ignorant.
you are saying that sr was wrong all along?
then why won't floyd fight the fight that would have given him his biggest payday? don't bother with pac's share on the take.......it is not an issue....
the point is why walk away from more $$$ if the fight vs the one-dimensional midget has-been is easy as a walk in the park?
roach is right...pac waits not for floyd...pac fights 2 fights a year...
floyd waits for opponents to get the wear and tear.....
Because the dude insisted on being allowed to be on drugs. If he would've taken the test, they would've fought by now. That's a fact. Maybe even twice.
And how can he wait for dude to get wear and tear? He's two years older than him.
Watched it 4 times and scored it 8-4 for JMM all times. Watched it with a hardcore PAc fan he scored it 7-5 for JMM. Watched it with neutral party and they scored it 8-4 JMM. Still waiting for that close fight everyone talks about.
I agree. Wasn't a close fight at all. The rounds were close but most in favor of JMM. Being nice to Pac - and I like him a lot! - I scored it 118-111, 9-2-1 for JMM.
Corley, Shamba Mitchell, Zab Judah, and Ortiz have all been champion. These arent bums early in his career. In fact Floyd never fought a southpaw until he reached 140.
He actually fought southpaws early when he was coming up. Not worth mentioning, though...as for the others, I think they were better than Ghost.
Speaking of this Guerrero, he wants to talk all this biblical ****, "he who exalts himself shall be humbled..." how Jesus put him here to humble boxing!
WTF?
What makes him think he's the Chosen One?
He will get CRUCIFIED by Floyd's Hammer and Nail - his right hand and left hand, respectively - with his face bleeding as if he were wearing a crown of thorns.
In fact, I predict that the self-anointed holy Ghost will regurgitate Bible verses all night. Unfortunately for him, he will be echoing the sayings of Jesus on the cross:
"I thirst!" In between rounds 8 and 9, as he's gasping for air.
In round 10, as he's being pot shot to death, Guerrero will look to the heavens and cry:
"My lord!!! Why have you forsaken me??"
As the grand finale, in round 11, right before succumbing his will to the mastery of Mayweather, Robert will look to Papa Ruben with a defeated face of resignation and scream:
"Father! Into your hand I commend my spirit!!"
And it will be over. By the time of the stoppage, Guerrero will look like Jim Caviezel in the Passion, bleeding from the back and ****. I guarantee it.
The basic reality is this: No man escapes death. And The Ghost will find out the hard way that Floyd is the Grim Reaper of the ring, the Undertaker of boxing.
Floyd Mayweather W11 by way of fistic crucifixion.
WTF is this? Mayweather-Mosley testing. Please go troll somewhere else with that bs.
It's the testing protocol that would've been in place for Mayweather-Pacquiao. The same one that has been in place for all his fights since then. At no point do you see a weigh-in blood test. You just made that up out of thin air.
Both are at fault to some degree. Manny should of took the test and floyd should of low balled him. Is Floyd afraid of Pac?.... no is Pac afraid of Floyd?... no. is Arum afraid of Floyd beating Pac?..... strong possibility.
.....For the record Floyd has only ever ducked ONE fighter and that was Gerald "Winky" Wright. If it's not Winky, Floyd never ducked them.
Who the fock is Gerald?
Because its what the whole world wants. don't you?
Of course I want it but my opinion doesn't really matter.
Aside from the massive tease/foreplay they've put on everybody for years, why do you want to see it? What's the intrigue to you?
Not being rude or offensive or anything so please don't take it that way, but I don't think your response (that the world wants to see it) addressed that.
I'm truly curious.
I do want to want to see it but for me it's not the competitive aspect that intrigues me at this stage. It's more so like this hot chick you've been chasing for years who almost gave it to you but never quite.
Now she's no longer as sexy as she used to be, a couple of your boys got to hit it, she has a kid and some stretch marks. It's not as hard to get anymore etc...
But you still got the pot commitment, you put so much energy into so you just want that skeet to get it out the way.
That's how I feel about the fight. The initial appeal of the match-up doesn't exist to me anymore.
But like I said, that's just my opinion and my opinion isn't really that relevant in the grand scheme of things and especially not as it pertains to my question to the gentleman above (and you).
When did anyone say Vegas was building a 100,000 seat stadium?
This one jabroni earlier in the thread, suggesting building the stadium would be a feasible venture.
LMAO LMAO. Are you being serious? 5'8" with shoulder vascularity at 195 would be a tank and more than likely nowhere near being "natural" at most he's 165 in this photo. Small guy, short and very lean with small wrist and not much musculature... to make this comparative, with this leanness at 195, and that height, he could persue a career in national level bodybuilding.
Dude, he was like 141 in that pic. 195?! These people are ridiculous.