He was Abner Mares, I think. Mares also won the U17 world championships and the bantamweight gold medal at the Central American games 2002 beating Juan Manuel López <---- this according to wikipedia.
corious things.
Poll doesn't make sense, should just say which of these fighters does he beat.
Not hard.
Neithers his chin so he loses them all imo, could do with seeing more of the last 3 though.
4k posts, WOOOHOOOO!! :D
Congrats dude, those are a lot of posts
The question is what could have happened if khan had the cut, not if both were without cuts..
What could have happened if khan had the cut instead of barrera?
I give all credit to pac for his impressive win, but styles make fights and ricky hatton's style was like a pize of cake for pacman. We cant say that because he won to this who won to that and who won to that other, acquiao will win a fight against floyd. Actually floyds style is a marquez like which gave big problems to pac, just that floyd is stronger and faster. I say it could be a close fight in the first rounds, but than floyd takes the second half of the fight. By the way, I thought hatton was going to win, I think I was fooled by all the 24/7 shit and propaganda..
First mayweather has to beat jmm. That will be a closer fight than yesterdays
Pac hasn't come close to a fighter who has a superb defense and laser like accuracy counterpunches that Mayweather will use against him.
He did, Marquez.. and remember what happened..
Thats a way of selling more ppvs. obviously, thanks to floyd sr, many more people wanted to see this fight.
i think FM sr. is a better trainer than roach..
I was right, the only reason why Marquez lost is was because he got robbed
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Yeah that formula worked the first two fights didn't it??? It's one thing for someone to come in with a game plan it's another for that someone to follow it thru 12 rounds.
He did it for 10 rounds 2 times
why wouldnt he do it for 12 rounds this time?
Understand this, Pacquiao has to be boxed by an accurate puncher, thats all. Hatton, David Diaz, DLH, there plan was to knock pacman, wrong thing, he has to be outboxed, just as marquez did.
i would favor pacquiao over marquez if they fought at 140. too many advantages for pacquiao, imo.
i notice marquez's handspeed @ 135 has slowed down, but it looks like his power has gone up, KOing casamayor , and juan diaz , and marquez was the naturally smaller man in both of those fights.
who knows? maybe marquez's power might be even better @ 140?
pac/jmm 1 happened @ 126, the rematch @ 130. it would be nice to have the 3rd fight happen @ 135 if pac can still make that weight. @ 135, i would favor pac by a small margin.
the key for Marquez hasnt been his speed, it has has been his timing, he is fast tho..
I am not very impress with pacman's last wons after JMM fight.. Marquez would have knock them all too..
he already beat him twice. the first one the judge made a mistake the second one was a very close fight but he still won. a victory is a victory no matter what. end of thread.
Avictory is a victory, a robbery is not a victory, it is a shame
as you can see what he did to hatton while he went on the offensive. he has progressed. he may want to rethink game plan next time around. i have nothing against marquez but his fans.... marquez is a great fighter but i hate hearing excuses. marquez does have a chance but as pacquiao has progressed into an ATG, beast, boxing god, p4pking. the smaller the chances and game plans must be outright something special.....though pacquiao can get hurt and hit. he has yet to hit the canvas in some time.
The thread purpose was to say that marquez win a 3rd fight in my opinion, but some where the thread took another way, maybe I did that, dont remember
Seriously....you have to give better reasons than "pac is predictable" or "Pac only has one style" for someone to take you seriously. Did u see how many times Ricky whiffed at air? Hell...I dont think Pac has been touched in his last 3 fights. Its bad enough you sn gives u away. I know I know...I can only imagine how it feels like to have you boxing heroes mowed down by the Pacman but can we at least pretend to be a lil objective here? JMM was competitive with Pac coz at 130 he had comparative strength and handspeed with a weightdrained Pac.
Here's an objective reason as to why I think Pac will beat JMM---> JMM has gotten older and slower whereas Pac has just gotten bigger, stronger, faster than JMM.
A peak Pac fighting at his prime weight will have an easier time with JMM the third time around...probably ko him.
now pac was weightdarined.. WTF
mexican. swine flu and die. your worthless.
your boy got knocked down 4x and you say he still won....if they fight again and he loses once again. you will make more excuses...
a fan is a fan and you live life on marquez's nuts.
if he was so skilled how the f*ck does he land on the canvas 4x and doesn't even knock him down once? congrats he came back and won most of the rounds. but do understand the score card? wait. your mexican didn't get enough education......to do the math. /end argument
opinions are opinions. if you think marquez won....you lose anyway cause it will go down pacquiao won. 145 is still fighting at welterweight. 147 is limit.
Welterweight: Limit - 147 pounds
LIMIT
now do your research...... /class ends
seems that Mexicans did not cause that shit
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Threadstarter....the most effective Marquez has been against Pacquiao is not when he was counterpunching...it's when he actually went on the offensive.
If anything I saw Pacquiao landing more counters that 2nd fight than Marquez.
Its also a testament to how vastly Pacquiao improves every fight.
That knockdown in the 3rd round was a counter. When Pacquiao staggered Marquez in the 10th....that was a counter.
When Marquez had Pacquiao wobbled in the 2nd...that was not a counter...that was offense.
When Marquez had Pacquiao reeling in the 8th....and nearly scored a 10-8 round which would have made the fight a draw...was Marquez counterpunching?? No sir....he was on the offensive.
Moral of the of the story is that Marquez did not find the blueprint to defeat Pacquiao. Morales did...when he stayed on the offensive for 12 rds.
Please watch the fight and take your pacman's shirt when doing so.. It is funny because, ovbiously, most of the guys who think MP landed more punches are phillipines.. Just look at the punchmeter or whatever that hbo punch counting thing calls.. marquez landed more on both fights, the comentators even said it, and they love pacman..
Mate Pacquiao is faster and stronger these days. Remember how Diaz outboxed Marquez in the early rounds? That shows JMM is not getting younger. Lets just hope JMM could upset Mayweather. I see no reason Pac couldn't knockout Marquez this time.
Pac doesnt pressure as Diaz, if pacs tries to do that against marquez, he would get ko too. Again, Pacquiao just goes in throws combinations, and goes out again.. Marquez qould catch him right there, just as he has done twice.. I saw the fight against hatton, please, dont compare hatton to JMM
Hattton has no defense, this style is great for many
JMM is a counter accurate puncher, this is hell for pacquiao
what robbery?? how u call that robbery when ur ass got floored 4 times?? that fight could go either way yet Pac won coz MARQUEZ ALWAYS KISSING THE CANVAS EVERY TYM THEY FIGHT..if a 3rd fight happens, it'l be at 140 coz Pac can't make 135 anymore...
you can be floored, but still won most of the rounds.. manny has power for sure, but not big boxing skills. look the fight again please, see how he was schooled
Tru. I can agree, but you cant say it didn't work up until Diaz got cut. Throw a vet in their instead of a young fighter like Diaz... a fighter that didn't leave himself open as much as Diaz did... then Marquez could have easily lost that fight. but it never happened like that and I never thought Diaz was that good to begin with. lol
I have to repeat it.. JD and Pacman's style are completely different.. if you were talking about pacman, by the way
you are one delusional dude. first marquez WONT move to 147. second his fighting style is completely different. he would have handled diaz. sd odlh. got ktfo by hatton. get real leave your swine flu at home.....get checked. :bounce:
Just read your post again, you have to bring the flu becuase you know shit about boxing.
DLH wasnt even a welter, he weighted 145 and couldnt rehidrate, thats not healthy dude, just common sense
I dont even know what your saying. Who said anything about Floyd? Reputation? WTF?
You got some serious brainpower deficiencies...get help druggie.
I got your reputation right here :nutkick:
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That wasnt even for you lol, check the post again.. Originally Posted by FasTHarD
If Marquez beats Floyd trust me Pac would knock him down again or knock him out.
mangler: If Marquez beats Floyd trust me Pac would knock him down again or knock him out.
Thats the only you can say to defend your boxer Fasthard.. Just watch the video..
JMM could win at 140 too.. But why fight at 140 if they can fight at lightweight.. Pacman just has brute force and speed.. a technician as JMM can win him.. is just matter of timing
Pac have already put marquez on his ass 4 times. Pac seems to e faster and more powerful now.
If feather fisted Diaz was beating Marquez and had him on queer street, manny will finish the job!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
i am tiered of hearing the same shit over and over.. "pac is faster", "pac is stronger" Just as everybody said before there 2nd fight and just looked what happened.. Even the comentator from HBO were sayig "what a great athlete" and he got his ass schooled.
He wont drop JMMin a third one, JMM will counterpunch all night, he wont take the risk again..
So you seriously think Marquez convincingly won the last 10 rounds in both fights easily??? If anything, I could see them splitting those rounds... fact still being PacMan knocked Marquez down 3 times in the first fight and once in the 2nd. You make it sound like Pacquiao went to sleep after the 2nd rounds and never threw any punches again. Both fights were great fights for a reason, and that's because they both fought to the finish. I'm obviously a Pacquiao fan and I won't even say he won all the rounds because I actually watched the fights!
And if you wanna talk about formulas, the formula to beat Marquez is to pressure him on the ropes like Diaz did and keep doing it. As soon as Diaz got cut, he turned into a punk and stopped fighting... Diaz was just soft. Marquez didn't turn that fight around until Diaz saw that blood.
I probably not the last 10 rounds, but at least 8 for the rest rounds.. By the way, the formula you are saying will beat marquez, is not a recommended formula.. Diaz got knocked beacuse he thought markez wasnt strong to do hurt him.. Boxers who do that kind of fight, are at risk of getting ko.. Just watch what happend to Margarito..