The fact is, Wilder is. PBC, Showtime , Haymon fighter. How is you going to make an offer to the Champ to fight someone who isn't his mandatory by throwing money at him with pre-conditions.
Plain and simple. Wilder want A.J and that it. If he beat A.J and unified the division he can blow up on the States bigger than Tyson. And then bring in his own PPV money.
If there’s the chance you could squeeze an extra million dollars out of some deal - wouldn’t you try? His leverage is that litigation takes time, even if you have a weak case. Matchroom and AJ can’t afford to be idle.
That what it is mostly. For that money to be paid out A.R is needed. It can't be made without him. So A.R only leverage to hold things up as long as possible to get more money.....
Matchroom had to know this was coming so I don't think they will drag it out.
I am expecting Thurman to walk threw whatever Garcia throws at him and eventually wear him down by late round stoppage or KO .
Please explain this. I NEVER seen Thurman walk threw any punches from someone of quality
Also true - any dynamic where Saunders can hold a belt hostage like he has is a broken one.
Any system where Jacobs can't make December, so GGG isn't allowed to stay active without being stripped because Jacobs is hiding under a rock somewhere - broken.
The commissions don't regularly make the other belt holders mandatories (so we don't get the best fighting the best mandated most of the time) - broken.
Promoters wanting to protect fighters zeros, so not matching them with the best - broken.
The boxing world needs more heros, eg Ali, he didn't implement a rancid MBA business plan where every move was calculated to his advantage (looking at you de la hoya), he went out on a mission and got there. eg his claim of 'prettiest' was silly if looked at in isolation, but was all part of the mission, get bigger than boxing itself.
Let Canelo take on GGG at 160. Canelo didn't duck - de la hoya didn't allow it - advising him to drop the belt instead- dumb) - we don't care if he loses, he's a hero for going there.
I saw Santa Cruz say he wants to beat Frampton, then he WANTS to go to Belfast and do it again (probably mandated in the contracts anyway, but I liked the WANT part). We WANT Andre Ward to say he wants to beat Kovalev in a rematch, then go to Moscow and do it there - thats hero stuff. Instead we get a boxer who has never strayed further away from home than Atlantic City (ignoring a couple of early fights in the Caribbean), and a supposed p4p No. 1 who wouldn't dare do that.
Ali went into Henry Cooper's home territory and took on a national icon on his home ground. Thats hero stuff right there.
Damn,,,,, I like your style
C.A is a cash cow and a draw. Everyone want a piece of him or make money off of him. If C.A could have it his way, he would do what Mayweather did and start his own promotional company and sign his own contract solo. I wonder how much of his contract G.B is getting out of it.
I think ESPN should overpay to get Garcia at this point at least double what they gave Khan. They know their going to have to overspend.
That would be a huge change for TR to take. It not like DSG can't beat Crawford, and then he can take the WBO belt back to PBC..
Ortiz did what was best for him. I'm pretty sure his management laid out a course for him that would put him first.
He could either take that route. Or just be a fighter on a Canelo undercard for the rest of his career because GB isn't in a position to deliver anyone of importance to him anytime soon. It's not about what you did for me yesterday, it more of what can you do for me tomorrow. GB seems to be good at being a gatekeeper once their stars make a name for themselves they always leave.
The one thing I find funny about Golden Boy Promotions was that their motto was they look for the best fights period.
Then all of a sudden they done did a complete 180. They fought Khan, and now Smith and had their fight relinquish his belt to avoid fighting the best fighters out there.
It funny how things change.
Thanks to godfather haymon for destroying hbold and top prank.... Both are rat snake filled dying ships!!!
Lomachenko needs to leave top prank and go fight some stars on pbc......
I'm pretty sure PBC has been taking notice. Fan of boxing rather see fights on TV then a paid subcription.
HBO has link their bankroll to a bunch of non american fighters.
Canelo-GGG-Kov-Lomo-Ortiz-Klis... That the basic american fan can't connect to them.
Not that the PBC is doing better, but they do have the biggest stars in boxing
I like the fact that he honest in who he wants to fight, and doesn't go the name drop route.
I'm pretty sure he will fight a high stakes name this Oct/Nov at Barclay Center. If I had my choice I would love to see DSG/ PAC...
That would be a slug match
I'm pretty sure that if Ortiz was going to get anywhere close to 6.5 mil he would have to sign at least a 3 fight deal.
If Ortiz decided not to sign the contract then he had to know a low-ball offer was coming.
Hearns like any other promoter is going to take care of their crown and jewel and make sure everything works out in his favor.
Ortiz is to much of a risk to lose against with nothing to gain. If Joshua believe he doesn't need nor want U.S fans so why put forth the effort.
But the bottom line is this, both Fury and Joshua know they need Wilder to make Mayweather type money here in the States. Fighting each other in England would be crazy money. But fighting Wilder in the States could bring in Mayweather type money in the States along with tons if the Queen's money over there in England.
when and if those figits happen it will be be big
why are people so defensive about protected boxing champions (PBC). its a load of ****, sooner it goes bust the better. jsut a bunch of **** match ups
I think PBC is going to be here to stay. Once they narrow down there outlets...
Fox and CBS will give them long term contracts. Or leaning that way. So what does Haymon do. Put good match ups on there stations...
NBC and ESPN (Disney) isnt offering deals thus causing non attractive fights on their networks...
And Spike TV is in it for the long haul...
If Haymon can get deals anywhere close to NHL contacts PBC will be successful...
In any up start business you have to learn from your mistakes. PBC is in its second year and is learning from its mistakes.
I think 2017 will be one hell of a year for the PBC...
Garcia - Thurman
Charlo - J-Rock
Framton - Cruz
Can all be on the same card on Fox once again a week before the superbowl...
Well you're entitled to your opinion and I'm entitled to mine.
If they ever fight I got money on Crawford!
I'm very confident Crawford will tap that ass!
In all reality Danny shouldn't be an undefeated fighter.
I had him losing to Lamont Peterson and he clearly lost to Mauricio Herrera.
I see Crawford getting better with Every fight so with all that I'll bet my money on Crawford.
Did you even watch the Herrera or Peterson fight???
You and I both know that there was no way the Herrera was walking out of Purto Rico with 2 belts without a knockout or a clear victory and he did neither. It was a close fight but your not going to unbelt a champ by doing nothing but throwing jabs and leading with your head.
And in the Peterson fight... He won the last 3 or 4 rounds, but what about the first 7?????
People kills me throwing up the same two names without watching the fight.
Garcia is head a shoulders better than Crawford that DSG isn't even thinking about that fight..
Garcia would be on the top of Crawford list...
Crawford doesn't even appear on Garcia list....
I don't like porter, his style is to bully his way in and try to stay inside. If danny proved one thing is he can fight off his back foot. I'm not that impressed with Porter at all. I do like the fact that he will fight anyone but his Dad is always talking. Isn't Porter the same guy who lost to Kell Brook, and was knocked down by Broner with one punch? Danny is on to bigger and better things.
If Crawford beats Spence the PBC loses the WW hold and the PBC craters.
Spence is the key stone to the PBC
So with that being said, where's the reward for the risk?
A 60/40 split may do it but otherwise theirs nothing worth the risk.
Crawford got 5.5mil and Khan got 4 mil for a 150k ppv full if mitchmatches.
Now that's free money...
That's what they said about Duran! They thought he was a natural lightweight that would be destroyed by Leonard, but it didn't happen that way! I don't think Mikey can do it, but you have to respect him! What I don't understand is, what's the big difference between Spence vs. Garcia, or Spence vs. Crawford? Both are undefeated, former Jr. WW Champions, who haven't proved themselves at 147! Why is Mikey such a mismatch, but Bud is such an equal to Spence? Is it because Bud beat Horn and Benavidez? Seriously?
One of the realist post I read on here.
Oscar f*cked up cottos last fight by trying to use cottos name and the allure of fighting him to try and build up his dwindling stable of fighters. Now we're stuck with cotto vs Sadam Ali because he wouldn't agree to let these dudes fight cotto without agreeing to sign with golden boy.
One of the most realist statements on this post
OK I'm officially calling out any and all Wilder fans if you don't get Kauffman's point AND agree with him. You went bonkers at Povetkin for trace amounts of a banned substance... and somehow Arreola doing the same thing is nothing? What planet are you on? No, not the same drugs, yet still banned substances. Get your priorities in order and stop coddling your hero. You guys AND Wilder are ecstatic the Povetkin fight was postponed, because you know Povetkin would've demolished your hero. Go ahead and admit it. Geez. SMH
This fight is nothing but a warm up or money grab... Like him or not but Chris can help sell out an arena in L.A and then if you bring the Heavyweight Champ there it might just sell out. With such short notice who else could he have fought. And stop with the Povetkin stuff. He's a cheater and will always be labeled as a cheater. Even in his own backyard he had to go there.
1st, Kell Brook is the best Spence ever fought. 2nd, Arum offered Danny 4 million and Danny could have countered with 5,6,7,8 or 10, whatever, but he didn't counter at all. Instead Danny fought for 1 million in front of 3,000 people. Logically, what's that tell you?.
What Danny wants Arum can't offer and that's an easy winnable fight for a few million. Danny is NOT in it to be the best (his father is not) Danny wants enough money to keep buying laundry mats and small apartments. That's his fathers plan, always was. Deep down Danny would probably like to test himself but his father runs the show and he's a small business kinda guy that fits right into the Haymon's business model. Arums best chance are Thurman and Spence because deep down, both think they can beat Crawford enough to defy Al Haymon. Danny via his father is not that guy.
Danny will fight tomato cans and cash out against Thurman.
That's the business model...see the game within the game.
DSG could have counter but when the first offer came in but he has a Lion as a manager/advisor. He offered 4mil coming off a loss. Now T.R have TOooffer more more money up front and part of the PPV sales cause DSG name can help sell more PPV he has a much bigger fanbase than Khan. And Crawford has no where else to go.
So if your DSG.. In Feb it was 3mil.. In Sep/Oct it can be as much as 8/9 mil.... Remember They need DSG, DSG doens't need them.
And to top it off. DSG would be the best Crawford ever faced. Not like it would be a easy win for Crawford either
That's what I said! And somehow he's always ranked as a top 5 ww. His best win was Guerrero who lost to a literal cab driver his next fight.
I don't get how he got to become Mando when he just lost to Porter last year. Makes no sense. Stop recycling these fighters. Crawford should drop the wbo and try become the ibf or wbc Mando.
Because he lost split decisions in title fights at. WW. D.G has a fan base and a name and have fought the best. So it's understandable why he constantly get title fights....
If he was to lose badly, or even hurt for that matter he wouldn't get anymore chances.....
The knock on DG is simply he doesn't let his hands go
Sound just about right. If the shoe was on the other foot Bob would do the same exact thing. People may want to see Crawford vs Spence. But won't be upset to see Thurman, Porter, or Garcia against Spence. I mean, it's not iike he can't lose against them.
Real talk there are diuretics that you can take with blood pressure medicine. I know because one of my drivers takes it and that **** makes him piss like every 5 minutes. Whenever we're on jobs together this fool has to pull over like 10 times and it annoys the fvck out of me.
This can be true, but he never informed VADA or the WBC that he was on any blood prussure meds. He knew he was going to be tested and tried to hide something..
Wow! I never thought about that. That price is steep. It does kinda make you think though. If that's going to be the PBC's new business model, then DAZN is well worth the $10 online live streaming service.
DAZN would be worth $10 a month service once they start putting on worthy fights. But I would ask you this. If DAZN had they same line-up as PBC how long would they're services remain at $10. a month..
Your getting the same not better fights for $10 a month on both FOX and Showtime with Marquee match-up pay per view...
T Crawford not interested in joining PBC boys "WW" club...he's in a class of his own and the boys with PBC understand this!
Is you serious. T.C have not one notable win at WW but yet he's in a class of his own.
lol
I'm a B-Hop fan and I'm amazed that he's about to step into the ring at 51 and stay in shape.. I'm 44 and just stare at a cookie and gain 5 pounds And he able to drop 10 pds in one week... WTH
PBC is pretty much Showtime and they get far worse numbers than HBO, even prorated
Showtime don't have as many subscribers as HBO. So you don't expect the same numbers as HBO