I keep seeing people write that GGG clearly won rounds 4-9. Please, re-watch round 5, that might have been Canelo's best round of the fight. GGG landed at most 2 solid punches the whole round and Canelo countered him and landed the best punches of the fight.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RrPIYCOyZG8
I have no problem with people scoring it either way, but round 5 was not even a close round, Canelo took that round and landed way more clean punches than GGG and actually had GGG rocked. GGG landed that one solid shot on the ear, but Canelo was blasting him most of the round as he made him miss wild shots.
Round 6 was a close round that could have gone either way, but not round 5, that was one of the clearest rounds in the fight.
I've not watched the video, nor have I posted anything about this fight yet.... nor have I rewatched it since watching it live.... I wasn't really scoring it live... just semi-scoring it and enjoying it.... and I said at the end of the fight "I wouldn't argue with a draw". However - it is clear to me that Canelo won at least 4 of the first 6.... so it isn't hard to give him 2 or 3 of the last 6.... so how people are going nuts about this decision is beyond me.... it's totally fair and I think if you are arguing who 'more likely' won... I'd favour Canelo for the early rounds. GGG left it too late and didn't have great championship rounds either.
You have harold ledderman & jim lampley to thank for that. Low I.Q.'s listen to them instead of actually paying attention & watching a fight round by round.
People with really low IQs don't realise that not everybody watching the fight can hear the same commentary as them..
It's a video.
Close round, but GGG won it clearly.
Note: You don't win a round by shaking your head after getting hit. Your opponent wins the round for hitting you!
If you're correct then there's always room for human error. There's also no way you can guarantee neutrality.
I already said the stats were skewed in favor of Golovkin. I do think he landed more punches but I don't think it was at the rate they were counting.
They are just as subjective as the actual judges with one big diference, a bad compubox judge will never be questioned about his bad night.
And just like most fans, what if a particular compubox judge largely ignored body work? That can dramatically effect the pinch count.
My thought is that there are a data point, but sometime can be way way off. Just as often though I bet they are pretty accurate.
I've not watched the video, nor have I posted anything about this fight yet.... nor have I rewatched it since watching it live.... I wasn't really scoring it live... just semi-scoring it and enjoying it.... and I said at the end of the fight "I wouldn't argue with a draw". However - it is clear to me that Canelo won at least 4 of the first 6.... so it isn't hard to give him 2 or 3 of the last 6.... so how people are going nuts about this decision is beyond me.... it's totally fair and I think if you are arguing who 'more likely' won... I'd favour Canelo for the early rounds. GGG left it too late and didn't have great championship rounds either.
You have harold ledderman & jim lampley to thank for that. Low I.Q.'s listen to them instead of actually paying attention & watching a fight round by round.
It's 2 guys watching the fight with 4 buttons each. jab landed, jab missed, power punch landed, power punch missed.
Each operator takes one fighter. So if that 1 person can't see because they are blocked they could completely miss a 6 punch combo that landed. You also are at the mercy of 2 different perceptions. If one judge is counting any graze as landing and they get assigned GGG then you can have wildly different stats from what really happened.
What they should do is randomize the rounds. Say operator 1 gets GGG for rounds 2,4,6,7,8, and 11 and gets Canelo for rounds 1, 3, 5, 9, 10, and 12. That would normalize some of the variance. I guess that might be too confusing though.
So if Canelo gets assigned a Compubox operator that only counts super clean punches as landing his numbers could be way low compared to the more liberal operator on the other side.
I think someone had a good thread about round 1 where the operator who was assigned GGG said he landed 15 punches when there is no way he landed more than 7 or 8.
If you're correct then there's always room for human error. There's also no way you can guarantee neutrality.
I already said the stats were skewed in favor of Golovkin. I do think he landed more punches but I don't think it was at the rate they were counting.
I'm curious, how does this computer count punches? Are there sensors anywhere on any equipment or on the boxers that count punches? Or is a human being siting there hitting a button whenever they see a punch landing.
It's 2 guys watching the fight with 4 buttons each. jab landed, jab missed, power punch landed, power punch missed.
Each operator takes one fighter. So if that 1 person can't see because they are blocked they could completely miss a 6 punch combo that landed. You also are at the mercy of 2 different perceptions. If one judge is counting any graze as landing and they get assigned GGG then you can have wildly different stats from what really happened.
What they should do is randomize the rounds. Say operator 1 gets GGG for rounds 2,4,6,7,8, and 11 and gets Canelo for rounds 1, 3, 5, 9, 10, and 12. That would normalize some of the variance. I guess that might be too confusing though.
So if Canelo gets assigned a Compubox operator that only counts super clean punches as landing his numbers could be way low compared to the more liberal operator on the other side.
I think someone had a good thread about round 1 where the operator who was assigned GGG said he landed 15 punches when there is no way he landed more than 7 or 8.
I've not watched the video, nor have I posted anything about this fight yet.... nor have I rewatched it since watching it live.... I wasn't really scoring it live... just semi-scoring it and enjoying it.... and I said at the end of the fight "I wouldn't argue with a draw". However - it is clear to me that Canelo won at least 4 of the first 6.... so it isn't hard to give him 2 or 3 of the last 6.... so how people are going nuts about this decision is beyond me.... it's totally fair and I think if you are arguing who 'more likely' won... I'd favour Canelo for the early rounds. GGG left it too late and didn't have great championship rounds either.
The computer punch count may not be perfect but they are neutral. They just count punches and don't care which boxer landed more. They said in round 5 GGG threw 74 punches and landed 18 of them while Canelo threw 43 punches and landed 14 of them. So GGG threw a lot more punches and landed a few more punches than Canelo. That doesn't sound like such a clear Canelo round to me.
I'm curious, how does this computer count punches? Are there sensors anywhere on any equipment or on the boxers that count punches? Or is a human being siting there hitting a button whenever they see a punch landing.
I just watch the replay of round five. I thought GGG won the round unless you give Canelo extra credit for shaking his head no a few times after GGG hit him with a good right hand.
The computer punch count may not be perfect but they are neutral. They just count punches and don't care which boxer landed more. They said in round 5 GGG threw 74 punches and landed 18 of them while Canelo threw 43 punches and landed 14 of them. So GGG threw a lot more punches and landed a few more punches than Canelo. That doesn't sound like such a clear Canelo round to me.
I felt Golovkin won what was a very close 5th round.
The difference?
That huge right hand and short flurry after with about a minute left in the round.
To his credit, Canelo knew it was a pivotal scoring segment in the round and tried to respond.
Came up a little short that time, IMO.
I did give Canelo the next round tho
I scored 5 and 6 for Canelo. Outside of that 1 shot, GGG landed nothing significant. Canelo landed maybe 10 hard sshots that round to GGG's 1 or 2 at most.
I felt Golovkin won what was a very close 5th round.
The difference?
That huge right hand and short flurry after with about a minute left in the round.
To his credit, Canelo knew it was a pivotal scoring segment in the round and tried to respond.
Came up a little short that time, IMO.
I did give Canelo the next round tho