Ishy_Aytan

Like Mayweather said Roy's defense was his legs... Wants his legs went, so did his defense.

Since when does beating Cotto equal that much???...Cotto clearly isnt the same anymore..and I fully expect Pac to KO Cotto..147 or not.... Pac has to beat JMM CLEARLY and Mayweather. You seriously expect Pac to stop Cotto when not even Clottey could stop him even with that bad fuked up cut?

Like i said he sold out against Baldo, Judah etc etc etc. Theres not even any proof of this 3000 seats sold crap that you guys are going on about.

How many people have beaten those two? C'mon you and I know there are always some weak beltholders out there. If zab is floyd's best win past 135 how much does that say? Look at all the people who have beaten him I cant talk to someone as ignorant as you. So if a fighter losses then losses again the guy that beat him the first time gets less credit? Baldomir was the lineal champ. Judah lost 95% of his fights after he lost to Baldo.

Who is "they?" The only people who actually care about catch weights or being too small or too big are hardcore boxing fans. To the majority of fans and casual fans, none of that shit matters. Have you ever talked to a non-boxing junky who casually follows the sport?? They don't know shit about catch weights. If Pacman beats the crap out of Cotto and/or Mosley at 144, it's because Pacman is the reincarnation of bruce lee. If cotto and/or mosley beat pacman, it's because they are bad ass mofo's. It's true, ask any casual fan about the Pacman/Oscar fight. You wont hear the words "weight drained" or anything of the sort. Who gives a shit about what the casual fans think? Seriously. The boxing purists are the ones that carry the sport along. The thousands of boxing purists that are members of this website are the ones that carry the sport along. If it was up to the casual fans, we'd proberly see some fuked up stupid fights being made. Stop talking about casual fans, they have no relevance to what Reed is saying. We as boxing purists would rather see a fighter fight a guy at his best weight rather than him fighting him at a weight which will give him a disadvantage.

he'll be closer to Sweet Pea. higher? not IMO if he beats Mayweather aswell then I'd say he is What im saying is who did Whittaker take a big risk against by moving up to their weight and beating them, like this fantasy Pac-Cotto scenario. I'm talking about a serious threat who people thought Whittaker would be way out of his comfort zone and would lose.?

When did the boxing world ever accuse him of ducking JMM prior to his retirement? He was accused of ducking Cotto, Mosley, and Marg. Since his retirement, Pac has emerged as the man to beat now. When asked about fights with Pac and Mosley since his comeback, all we've heard is excuses from Floyd. What else are we suppose to think? Read my sig. You chose to hear the excuses.

Well exactly. Clottey always does that so I would have NEVER expected him to beat Cotto. Not a chance in hell. The only real surprise was how close he came to doing it. Beating Cotto won't push Pacman to the heights you speak of. Nope...not him. But beating Cotto at 147 will bring Pacman to new heights. Thats what im saying. Regardless of whether you'd prefer him fighting Shane, a Cotto win at 147 would put him amongst the very creme of our sport. A guy coming from flyweight and beating a top welter, if not the best welter.

Yep thats why i wrote that it must happen at 147. If its at a catchweight then obviously not. But at 147, certainly no one can argue with this.

I wouldn't surprised if it makes it way onto the show. It should do because during the press conference he said that 24/7 is already being filmed.

Yes, because Pacquiao will actually try. Yeh thats true. With a cut like that Pac wil definetly go for the stoppage.

Just because Baldomir was a title holder for 15 minutes, doesnt make him great. He's a c-level journeyman with 11 losses. This is exactly what i mean. So beating the champion doesnt make you the champion right?

I've yet to hear Floyd say he wants to fight Mosley. Post a link/source if u have one. He said it in some interview with some website. I cant remember which one but it was posted on here. This is where i got my sig from. The interview was posted on the forum last month. I think it was fighttalk or sumfin.

Idk what to say, RJJ is the best fighter of all time for me but that is because i am a RJ nut hugger. As for Pacquiao beating Cotto, it shouldn't be a surprise to anyone. I think Marquez beats Berto at 147, but would that win make Marquez the GOAT? After the Clottey fight, idk who thinks Pacman can't knockout Cotto. With a Win over Floyd, I would consider Pacman the GOAT. The Hatton win i praise him for also, the way that he did it was ridiculous. Pacman is already an ATG. Pac beating Cotto would be a greater victory than RJJ beating Ruiz. Simply because Ruiz was not the best heavyweight out there at the time. Arguebly Cotto is the best welter at the moment after beating Clottey. And if Pac beats him then that will be incredible.

You're right Ishy, it's all just talk. The facts are that Shane has fought pretty much everyone but Pwill. Floyd hasn't fought an elite welter (I'm completley ignoring that horribly weak argument you keep making for Baldomir over Margarito). Who do you think is more legit in wanting the fight? Zab isn't elite, he's a gatekeeper, he gets spanked in all of his fights vs the elite. How can i take you seriously when you've just discredited 2 former undisputed welterweight champs. You've not only discredited them as fighters but have also discredited them as opponents to anyone, especially a guy moving up from 140.

I'd say yes if he beat Mosley, perhaps but not a Cotto who just doesn't seem right anymore. Cotto looked good against Clottey. Am i the one who thinks he pulled out a great performance considering how bad and fuked up his eye was?

You don't get tagged because you're struggling to make weight, you get tagged because you don't have good defense. He was getting hurt because he was struggling to make weight. And being able to move doesn't make you elusive...at all (evidence: please see Cotto's grill following last Saturday night). Was he elusive against Margarito? Hell nah, he got tagged PLENTY. PLENTY. The first 6 rounds, he was moving away from Margarito's punches and at that point was pretty much giving him a boxing lesson. It reminded me a bit of De La Hoya-Trinidad.

I was thinking about this aswell, they already started shooting for 24/7 so if they show Floyd going for xrays etc etc then thats proof.

What i'm saying is, just because someone holds a title/belt, doesnt make them better than someone who doesnt hold a title. Baldomir was the lineal WW champ because he beat Zab, but are u gonna sit here and honestly tell me that Baldomir was better than Shane, Cotto, Margarito, etc.? Clottey was whooping his ass up until the DQ for headbutts. If I recall correctly, Clottey was on his way to a shutout before the dq. Stop trying to make Baldomir out to be this legitament threat in the WW division just because he beat Zab. Its about the quality of the opposition u face, not what straps they hold. Cotto beat Shane, while Floyd beat Baldomir. What win was better? You fail to remember that Cotto was NOT a top welterweight contender when Floyd fought Baldo, only Margarito and Mosley was and Mosley already backed out of a fight with Floyd. This is just getting so repetitive, like i said before i was one of Floyds fans that critisized him for NOT fighting Margarito. But this was not out of substitution for the Baldo fight. For me the Baldo fight got him the lineal title at 147 which is more important than a win against Margo at that time, but i expected him to fight Margo after. And for obvious reasons Cottos win over Shane was better than Floyds over Baldo but this is with hindsight as his win looks greater now due to how bad he dismatled Margo.

Its a broken record with some guys. Ive said this once and will say it a thousand times, if Floyd fought Margarito instead of Baldomir people would have said he ducked Baldo because he didnt face the guy that beat Judah before he did. Simple Fact. LOL, no ones making excuses. Im the first to critisize Floyd for not fighting Cotto or Margarito but fact is Floyd would have got screwed if he didnt fight Baldo.

What does the cuthave to do with it?? Pac hs great speed movement and power...Cotto gets KO'd in this one. Cotto ent exactly short of movement and power. You go on like Cotto's some sort of punch bag. He's a pretty elusive fighter.

I think you underestimate Whitaker a little bit. Overtaking the likes of Jones Jr., Mayweather Jr., Hopkins, etc. is one thing, overtaking someone who is not only one of the 5 or 10 most talented boxers ever but has a GREAT resume full of marqee names too is another It's the difference between top 50 ATG and top 20 ATG I think Cotto would be a great name on Pac's resume for the record, and I prefer this fight to a Mosley one (I think at this stage Cotto IS better than Mosley) Trust me i never dream of underestimating Whittakers resume and hall of fame status. I'm just trying to put things into persepective. I think you guys ent seeing the bigger picture of a flyweight moving up and beating a true welterweight. Thats effectively what im trying to say.

I am a fan of boxing who spend money and buys PPV's I am a fan of boxing who purchases tickets to see live fights. I live, sleep, eat and shit boxing. There are many more like me who feel the same way. When Floyd held all the cards he put them down to go do some WWE and dance and make public appearances and run a record label now he is in debt and needs moeny and these guys who have been cleaning up should drop everything they are about and hand him a piece of the pie? Let him set a plate at the table because he is rady now to mix it up. What about when they were looking for a plate to be set and he took two loafs of bread and ran into retirement with themm under his arms? You don;t see the big picture my friend the best thing any boxer can do for one antoehr is too fight them. That is how boxers feed themselves and their loved ones. If they cannot get fights then they can;t earn. if we can;t get good match ups and card then the sport dies. He thought he made enough and left these guys out in the cold. oscar held it down for one more year past his prime. He handed the torch to Manny now manny is holding it down. Floyd don;t deserve ish in my eyes. Let him fight a tune up or 2 and then we see where we are at.....Lefty Why you critisizing Floyd for handing the torch on to Manny? One minute you say you breath boxing the next you critisize Floyd for ****ing boxing up. Theres nothing wrong with the sport at the moment. What you blaming Floyd for? The sports doing incredibly well. How many big fights have we had this year? And you critisize Floyd for having a life outside the sport. You should hear yourself. Dont you have other interests outside your working life? Plus you must have forgotten how Floyd was doing the dance with the stars and training for the Hatton fight simultaneously. This threads pretty bullshit. Your basically critisizing him because of Manny's spotlight at the moment.

Yes, you are. If Clottey didn't have such a fear of success, he would've stopped Cotto. Personally i think Clottey is overrated but still obviously a top welter. He lacks simple intelligence and is not a thinking fighter. He could have won the fight but Cotto was far more intelligent in the ring.

Cotto is anti-elusive. It's his biggest, most glaring flaw. Come on, everyone tagged Cotto at 140. At 147 his chin has gotten better but his defense sure hasn't. He got tagged a lot at 140 because of weight issues mainly. What i was saying is he ent no human punch bag. He can move when he wants as proved in the Mosley, Margarito and Clottey fights. There were times when he was able to miss and skip punches.

1. I could care less whether you like Floyd or not 2. The Marquez fight is POSTPONED, not cancelled 3. Margarito was overrated 4. Baldomir was considered a legitimate 147 pounder until Floyd gave him a boxing lesson 5. Yes Floyd contradicts himself all the time which is why should speak on what he does in the ring not what comes out his mouth Shit Floyd said Leonard lost to Camacho...as if it was prime Leonard:lol1: Its a broken record with some guys. Ive said this once and will say it a thousand times, if Floyd fought Margarito instead of Baldomir people would have said he ducked Baldo because he didnt face the guy that beat Judah before he did. Simple Fact.

He sold out against Baldmoir and Judah, Corrales etc etc.

Nobodys runnin scared, homie... Every pound under 147, makes Cotto less and less at his peak potential. Here is my point. If you want to fight Cotto, you want to beat Cotto... Then do it.. at his best weight. When you are trying to make weight, and you FINALLY get down to 147... do you think losing ANOTHER pound, and then ANOTHER pound after you are already dehydrating does not make a difference? Thats exactly my point.

There was/is a group called the Mayweather Mafia? Wow, i've been away for too long. i werent part of this stupid group.

I would love to see it play out like this Cotto Vs Pacquiao Mosley vs Berto Winner vs Winner (Cotto vs Mosley) or (Pacquiao vs Mosley) Floyd left out in the cold I don't think that Floyd deserves to come back and get that fight when guys like Mosley and Cotto have been doing his dirty work for the last past two years or os. Especially when he retired and pulled out on Oscar due to negotiations and the split for that fight. It is clearly his fault that state of boxing is the way it is. he let Manny in. If he had fought Oscar when he was supposed to Manny would have never fought Oscar and the flood gates of all this would have never have been opened. Blame Floyd for Manny becoming the cash cow that he is right now....Lefty LOL, who are you to say whether Floyd deserves to fight these guys or not? If a fighter beats cream opponents he always gets another shot at another cream fighter. And please dont start with all that Floyd didnt fight the welters because there were only 2 welters that people wanted Floyd to fight and they were Cotto and Margarito. Williams and Clottey werent no where and Mosley blatantly ducked a fight 6 months prior to Mayweather-De La Hoya.