I've seen many white people declaring Canelo an ¨honorary white man¨, because he's just too good and his skin is light enough
I guess the same can be applied to GGG
too bad his superior russian genes got mixed with the weakass korean genes, otherwise he could be even stronger (and whiter) than he is
Both Russian and Korean genes dont have much fast twitch muscle
The hurt excuse doesn't fly with me. So he was he not hurt when he opened up and started throwing 60 punches a round late in the fight? He was careful because he didn't want to get caught with something big and that's exactly what happened in the 12th round. Lomachenko wanted to play it safe early on and then try to drown Lopez in the late rounds when some of his power would be zapped. And for a few rounds it definitely worked for him, but again, in the 12th he got hit with some big shots that he was trying to avoid all fight.
Exactly. Loma would lose to Tank easily, for this very reason.
tank was ducking people before he was a big draw. look up lomachenko-tank, tank-machado(literally stole his belt without fighting him), and tank-farmer. also tank has never made any 70-30 offers to them because they dont want to risk that they might accept his offer! he continues with the bums
They made a 70/30 offer to Farmer. Farmer balked at it, and that was that
Tank has been as big a star that there is in 130-135 since he beat Pedrazza.
If Loma wants to do 70/30, and fight on showtime, I am sure PBC will take it. If not, continue with fighting boring fights, that no one watches, for mediocre money.
Ask yourself...WHY DOES TANK MAKE MORE MONEY THAN ALL THESE GUYS (Loma/Haney/Teo/Garcia)
No one is avoiding him at 130. Floyd just said only in-house fighters. That’s a duck!
Its not a duck. Top Rank fighters do not sell tickets. Look at the Teofimo Kambosas debacle. If they want to fight Tank, they need to take a 70/30 split. Otherwise, they can kick rocks.'
Apples and oranges. Top Rank has all the relevant fighters at 135 and 140 outside of Haney and Garcia. Tank doesn’t want any part of any of them. He is in the Haymon Protection Program.
Relevant in what sense? Not ticket sales or PPV buys. You want Tank to come down off of the PPV mountain, to share purses with fighters who could not sell out an IHOP?
This is a MONEY issue, if you want to fight Tank, they YOU NEED TO TAKE 80/20. If not, then continue to fight in low revenue matches. Top Rank best fighter is a NET LOSS every time he fights. What does that tell you?
neither fighter is perfect. Loma is a better boxing. If it occurs at 135, Loma wins, if it occurs at 140, Tank stops him. one thing I hate about Loma, and I've been saying it since before he fought Linares, I don't like it when he does those pitty pat jabs to score and set up something. Nakatani caught him a few times last night by timing it. This is one thing trainers always scream at their youth about is consistently throwing those pitty pat jabs because it develops a pattern that could lead to someone throwing something over the top against u. He didn't do it agains Lopez because he was surviving for his life the first 6 rounds by not throwing punches as he was aware of Lopez' right hand. But that's just my opinion. Loma is still troubled by body work though. All this bs about one guy just destroying the other in a one sided fight is nonsens.
I think Tank is a lot better than people think he is. The only reason Tank looks bad is because he only likes to "catch" people with his power. So in the midst of doing that, he looks like he's being outboxed. But he really isnt, he's just seeing what's in your attack.
I think it is clear that Tank Davis would be out boxed by Haney.
Davis would be dropping rounds, and looking to time one big punch.
I honestly don't see Davis winning rounds. Stylistically I think it is a good match up for Haney.
TANK would not let Haney jab his face up like Kambosa did. He would stay out of range or plant his foot and counter.
They mentioned it during the DAZN broadcast. Said he was on the brink of tears after the fighters meeting. Said he had 20k left in his account. Also revealed he was separated from his wife and hasn’t been able to spend time with his newborn. His team he was with up to this point had been dismantled.
Teo is an emotional fighter. And if you can’t compartmentalize in boxing. The big lights will melt you. That’s what happened tonight.
The same wife his whole family told him not to Marry? lol pussy, it is undefeated.
That’s even more worrying then. He definitely needs to focus and dedicate himself or he’ll waste his potential.
He obviously looks up to Floyd, and if there’s one thing he should try and emulate it’s Floyd’s dedication and work ethic.
Everyone in this thread is crazy. The only thing that lack in yesterdays fight for Davis was his conditioning. Conditioning is EASILY fixed.
I find it funny people are questioning his power...as if he didn't score a knockdown in the 2nd round that broke Gamboa foot. You guys have incredibly selective memory/hatred.
Wow!!! You must have a vision impediment!!! Davis looked like a C class fighter against a fighter that should have retired about 5 years ago, not to mention the one leg... tank will get destroyed by any of the guys you mentioned... their promoters must be ringing up Floyd's phone like crazy for a fight!!! Of course we all know how that will play out!!! Tank will fight about 5 more nobodies.... will wait for one of the top guys to be injured, sick, or way past their prime, and floyd will finally return their call.... 'who ris bee?' 'We fina ax ya fo da fight, kno am saying?'... that's about how that call will be.... 95% verbatim!!!
Davis was tired and didn't train. Doesn't me he will always do this. He broke Gamboa's leg in the 2nd rd with one punch.
It was a good fight, I will give Tank props for being a warrior and mixing it up and making it a action fight, hat's off to both warriors for that. Now, a ton of people are making this out to be more than it is, and this was Tank going up to fight a decent fighter, and catching a secondary belt, he's not a champ at 140, but he did go up and fought a bigger man, and went for it unlike other guys, (cough, cough, Haney, Charlo) so he gets some credit for that. If Taylor and Ramirez move up, Tank can probably become champ at 140, since after those two, talent falls off a lot in this division until other guys at 135 move up, I will say Tank gets hit a lot, and bigger punchers will have success against him.
Tank gets hit because he's trying to knock guys out...
Tanks has the speed and footwork to play the pitty pay game...but that's not what people pay to see. That's why tank is the highest paid fighter in those divisions.
If Floyd was a fisherman, Haney would be the guy scrubbing the chum off the floors.
Floyd's IQ was developed over his entire career and over different fighting styles. Haney cannot just pick up Floyd's style from the end of his career and adopt it and be just as good. Floyd was the master of baiting people into fighting the type of fight Floyd wanted. This is what made them so "boring". In the rare occasion where his opponent was able to adjust they were exciting for the average viewer but eventually Floyd figured them out and his opponents were never able to adjust.
Haney does not have that IQ right now and if he keeps fighting this style he will never have that IQ. If Haney is find with coasting to decision wins this early on in his career then he is going to have a hard time finding opponents. Promoters want to promote fighters who put butts in the seats, not fighters who bore people to sleep.
Haney could be the best guy in the division (Rigondeaux) and yet nobody will fight him or he will never make a reasonable mark because no promoter wants to touch him. Look at how different Loma and Guillermo were managed and fought. Loma is way more known than Guillermo (regardless what you think about Loma's abilities). Guillermo was a very methodical, precise fighter. To the average fan he was boring. Now look at Loma. He made 4 straight opponents quit. To the average fan they want to see him fight and see how he does that and why his opponents quit.
Hate it or love it boxing is a business and if you cannot sell yourself, you will have a much harder time getting to where you want to be.
I don't disagree with anything you said except the first part about Haney taking Floyds 2010+ style. But that's not the most important thing here....
You are 100% spot on about your assessment of Haney's boring, precise style scaring away promoters....but I also think Garcia vs Haney is a bigger drawn than Garcia vs Campbell.
Who can Loma fight next that is a bigger draw than Haney (outside of Tank and Garcia?
Who can Lopez fight next that is a bigger draw than Haney (outside of Tank and Garcia?
There is no reason for any of those guy not seek the WBC title, regardless of how boring Haney is.
None of these guys are bigger, longer or faster than Haney, so the fight will be boring and they will most certainly lose.
I’m now convinced you’re a troll. No one is this idiotic.
Good luck with whatever it is you think you’re doing. Good day.
You have no cogent response, because there is no way to structure an argument against what I am saying, and you know this.
Haney is not at a physical or technical disadvantage to any of those guys, you know this.
Loma, Lopez and Garcia will continue to take opponents without belts and who are worse than Haney, you know this.
Someone fights with a somewhat similar style to Mayweather and you automatically jump the conclusion he’s unstoppable. Wow. Stay off tiktok, dumbass. Lmao
You need to read up on your boxing and study more, kid. You’ll learn a thing or two. You need it because ydksab ha.
He’s nothing close to Mayweather. There is a very evident speed, power and IQ differential. I didn’t see Mayweather give little chinny guys too much respect and coast to a boring decision at lightweight. He was wrecking guys twice as good as old azz Gamboa. Stick to your day job.
Your reading comprehension is awful, did you graduate from 2nd grade?
I never compared Haney to 135lbs Floyd. Lightweight Floyd fought totally different from 150lbs Floyd. The LATE CAREER Floyd is who Haney fights similar to.
You're just too stupid to understand. Coasting to a boring decision, is exactly what Haney would do to Loepz, Garcia, Loma and Tank. You're just too stupid to see that because you equate "wrecking guys" with winning. But that's not Haney's style.
Even though you are stupid, I'd still think it would be obvious that Haney is unbeatable by the simple fact, everyone is afraid to fight him.
Lopez next opponent will NOT be a better drawn than vs Haney.
Garcia next opponent will NOT be a better drawn than vs Haney.
Loma next opponent will NOT be a better drawn than vs Haney.
These guys would rather run through hell with gasoline draws on, than fight Haney.
...enjoy your consolation prize I guess?
You act like Gamboa just magically broke his foot. You act like there was some incidental head butt or something.
Davis floored Gamboa in the 2nd rd and broke his foot. You act like if it wasn't for Gamboa being hurt the fight would have went differently.
You're too stupid I guess. Gamboa being injured is exactly why the fight lasted as long as it did because it put him into grappling survival mode.
watching your hero against overmatched opponents will suit you fine then. Enjoy :D
Lol, and watching your hero do MMA grappling sure must make you happy you spent money....oh my bad, they're nobodys, so they fight for free on ESPN lol
True, but that's not the point I was making, and I've seen Tank box a bit and he's a decent boxer, but that's not his strong suit, and won't work against bigger punchers who are as fast and powerful as he is, at the end the day, he's going to mix it up, and it would of been a a lot different if the punches coming back were from Ramirez, Taylor, Proragis, Lopez, Loma, ect ect. Barrios is decent, but he's no where near those other fighters mentioned as far as Talent and amongst other things.
This is true, but there are not one boxer who has the speed, power AND boxing skill to expose Tank.
Loma? His power is not anywhere near Tank and I know for sure he would fold from Tanks power.
I mean just think of it logically, how can you outbox someone who is stronger and faster than you.
If Tank were 5'9, he'd wipe the floor with Taylor and Ramirez. Those guys are just as fast but they don’t have the Power and they are not dogs. But Tank is 5'5, so of course he'd lose.
I dunno....I didn't see him "do his thang". I thought it was a draw or a loss for Davis.
I thought that Davis was making Cruz swing and miss badly showed poor Ring Generalship on Cruz part, and I think that's what won Davis some of the 50-50 rounds
Crazy that anyone who has watched fights for more than a week could think that Devin Haney can’t be beat. He’s going to lose his very next fight. Check back.
Haney only gets into trouble because his promoters and the public has been pressuring him into giving "exciting" fights. If Haney wanted to be an boring a-hole, he could pot-shot-run-away on anybody at 135 with ease. No one has the speed or length to catch him on the way out after he lands. Use your common sense, why else would Loma duck him?
Look, I’m sure that when no one is looking that Haney turns it on and magically becomes a really great fighter. I’m just saying that the guy I’ve seen thus far isn’t all he is hyped up to be.
You appear to be having some type of meltdown. I hope you recover from this.
No, I just find it hilarious how on a boxing forum of all places, you people cannot see why Haney is unbeatable.
Especially since we all just witnessed a late career Floyd (2010-2015) literally do the exact same thing. Floyd fought boring, methodical fights during that time....and all the fans complained...but no one came even close to beating him.
Haney is the exact same way...and if you can't see that, you are stupid.
He was boxing somebody who couldn't plant his feet when he threw a punch. I should hope he never got hurt.
But it was because of a lightning fast left from Davis that Gamboa broke his foot in the first place
The fact that you think Haney is as good as TMT tells me you really do not know what you are talking about.
Haney looked worse against Gamboa than Tank did. You can keep hyping him up but a copy cat is not the same as the original.
Look at Tank's face after Gamboa and Haney's face after Gamboa.
Why did Tank's face have a bunch of bumps and Bruises?
Why did Haney look like a newborn baby?
Jesus Christ, you are one stupid fck. Now you think Lomachenko couldn't time and cutoff Devin Haney? Do you know who Vasyl Lomachenko is? Are you just getting into this sport? How did slow-footed plodder Julio Cesar Chavez time and cut the ring off against Hector Camacho? Good grief. Get off the video games and start watching actual fights.
If it was so easy then why did Loma give his belt to Haney? Obviously Loma knows something that you don't Hector Camacho has probably like 60% of the speed and athleticism of Devin. When was the last time Loma beat a bigger, faster, more athletic fighter?
Like I said before Barrios was chosen for a reason. No holding, corner worried about combing his hair Aztec warrior my a$$.
Holding is how non-black fighters save face
Loma already tried to fight Tank and both he and Mayweather **** their pants at the prospect of that fight happening.
Your view of what Lopez and Loma "deserve" and what platform it should fall on in a potential fight with Tank is asinine. Fans with that type of mindset is exactly who Ellerbe was referring to and is exactly why they keep feeding him underwhelming competition.
How is it asinine? Lopez and Loma want to get paid for the fight dont they? How can you demand A-side money when you have never generated A-Side revenue?
Don't be ridiculous.
I do not see anything in Haney that have me believe he could beat Lopez. Of the 3 you mentioned I think Loma is the best skill wise but with Garcia and Lopez you have youth and natural power.
Haney would do good against any of them but I do not see him beating Lopez. Lopez showed a lot of heart in the last round against Loma and the way he was getting away with elbows earlier in the fight leads me to believe that he will be in the refs/judges favor in the future.
Haney needs to learn to use the TMT style better offensively otherwise Lopez will counter him and seriously hurt him. I need to see how Garcia does against Campbell before I can make a judgement call on how he would do against Haney.
Haney's sole advantage would be his height/length. He does not have the power to keep someone like Lopez away even with his jabs.
Lopez was quicker than Loma...he's not any quicker than Haney.
Lopez was longer and taller than Loma...he's not either of these over Haney.
Haney's Jab is faaaaar better than Lopez's, and so is his defense. The punches to the middle of Lopez face, that Loma was getting off with, would NEVER happen to Haney (That's why I compare him to Mayweather)
Haney's jab is really really REALLY superior to Lopez, Loma Garcia. Haney can stay at distance and out-point all of them with his Jab. Neither of them have an athletic advantage, where they could force Haney to exchange power punches.
It feels very awkward being the only person on a Boxing forum, who has noticed these things.
But Haney taking TMT's style is what is at stake here right? Is that not what you and that other poster were arguing about? I think Haney can do well with that style at 135 since he has a long reach and is tall. I think he needs to learn how to be effective offensively before he can adapt that style.
Once we see the numbers on Haney's fight we can determine whether or not he is a legitimate draw and worth anyone's time (if he did not have a belt).
Ryan v Campbell is a good fight and will draw because Campbell brings in the European audience. Haney does not have the same fan base as Campbell regardless who the better fighter is.
Loma from here on out really has 2 options. Fight the other top guys in the division in an attempt to become true undisputed at 135 (even if Lopez vacates and moves up before then) or go back down to 130 and hope that the top guys in the division will fight him.
Right now there are 4 top guys in the division who can fight each other and each fight would do well in terms of draw power. Haney is one of those obviously but he still has a lot to prove before he can claim #1.
The Mayweather argument came about because people were saying that Haney cruising to boring Unanimous decisions, instead of exciting knockouts, means that he would lose to Teo, Loma and Lopez.
But late career Mayweather did the exact same thing and no one could beat him.
I am basically telling you all that Lopez, Loma or Garcia are not going to out-anything Haney...they would all lose on points, in a boring fight.
Just like Mayweather did to his opps in the 2010s