Mayweather learned from Arum. Arum is the Inhouse Fight Master.
Look at how successful Crawford has been? Top 3 P4P above fighters with better resumes than him, #2 at 147 above welterweights with better wins than him at 147, 3 weight champion. Praise all over the place by media and fans. 0 good wins at 147. Last good win was at 140, 5 years ago vs Postol. That's all it takes for the media/journalists to rank you at the top. Biggest names he has fought are Khan and Brook at 147, who were not ranked in the top 10 at 147.
Mayweather figures he can do the same with Gervonta Davis. Using the Arum formula will catapult you into top 3, then why not? As a promoter, why not? Wouldn't you do the same as a promoter?
It sucks for fans for sure, I have no desire in following Crawford's career. I will have no desire in following Tank's career if he's only fighting lower tier opponents. But for the promoter and the fighter themselves, it's more money, more praise, more popularity.
What fighter can you say right now, fights the best and is rewarded with high rankings, high praise? Canelo is #1 P4P because the media can't deny it. But they do it begrudgingly.
GGG stopped getting massive praise as soon as he stepped up. He was a killer when he was fighting guys like Geale, Lemiuex, Rubio, Wade, Macklin, etc. As soon as he stepped up, journalists hype of him died down. Even though he was still a good fighter and just fighting better opponents.
Canelo has been fighting top opponents since about 21 years old, during that time, fans and media have largely hated him. Even though all he does is fight the best in the weight class. If he was 59-0 with 59 KO's vs lower tier fighters, fringe contenders, he would have been praised to death by the media and fans.
Lomachenko was ranked top 2 P4P, many had him #1. P4P is an imaginary list, supposedly showing who are the best 10 fighters if everyone was the same weight class. Lomachenko lost one time, and was dropped from #2 to #9. Even though he is just fighting the best in his weight class that is available to him. Crawford, Estrada, Usyk, Spence do not have better wins or a better career than Lomachenko in the last 5 years. Estrada was given a gift decision vs Gonzalez in the rematch. Usyk looked like ass vs a journeyman in his last fight.
From 2017-2021, Lomachenko has wins over 6 top 10 fighters. In the same time frame, Spence has 3, Crawford has 4, Taylor 4, Estrada 4, Inoue 5, and Usyk 5. Yet all of them are ranked above Lomachenko P4P. The only fighter who can match Lomachenko in top 10 wins in the same timeframe is Canelo.
Lomachenko was punished for losing to Lopez. Yet Usyk stays in place for beating Chisora and Witherspoon, two journeymen with a combined 12 losses between them. Estrada stays in place with a a gift decision over Gonzalez. Crawford stays at top 3 by doing fck all. Spence comes back and beats Danny Garcia, who has 0 wins over top 10 welterweights.
The top 10 P4P list really makes no sense. It should really be called the Knee-Jerk Top 10 P4P list. Ranking fighters based on senseless knee-jerk reactions.
Oscar Valdez, Jamel Herring, Teofimo Lopez and Vasyl Lomachenko call him out all the time.
Meanwhile, the PBC pretends like the WBO doesn’t exist when making on air graphics of current champions to avoid mentioning Terence Crawford.
That wbo stuff was ages ago. They’ve been noticing them. I haven’t heard anyone at 130 mention him.
Teo just shifted his position because Tank sold tickets while he “ caught covid”.
Apples and oranges. Top Rank has all the relevant fighters at 135 and 140 outside of Haney and Garcia. Tank doesn’t want any part of any of them. He is in the Haymon Protection Program.
Relevant in what sense? Not ticket sales or PPV buys. You want Tank to come down off of the PPV mountain, to share purses with fighters who could not sell out an IHOP?
This is a MONEY issue, if you want to fight Tank, they YOU NEED TO TAKE 80/20. If not, then continue to fight in low revenue matches. Top Rank best fighter is a NET LOSS every time he fights. What does that tell you?
tank was ducking people before he was a big draw. look up lomachenko-tank, tank-machado(literally stole his belt without fighting him), and tank-farmer. also tank has never made any 70-30 offers to them because they dont want to risk that they might accept his offer! he continues with the bums
They made a 70/30 offer to Farmer. Farmer balked at it, and that was that
Tank has been as big a star that there is in 130-135 since he beat Pedrazza.
If Loma wants to do 70/30, and fight on showtime, I am sure PBC will take it. If not, continue with fighting boring fights, that no one watches, for mediocre money.
Ask yourself...WHY DOES TANK MAKE MORE MONEY THAN ALL THESE GUYS (Loma/Haney/Teo/Garcia)
and that is based on what? valdez just beat the #1 ranked guy. tank has only ever beaten the #6 ranked fighter and a bunch of unranked bums lol. now does that logically make any sense to you? how is he ahead? try it out in another division. imagine if tank beat javier fortuna who is ranked #6 at 135 and then placing tank above lopez. wouldnt make much sense now would it? they are just hyping him cause he makes money and those other guys dont make as much. they ignored their own rankings to artificially place him at the top. its not like everyone vacated the division and no one beat any of the top guys. valdez just beat the #1 guy. diaz just beat the #2 guy. yet tank who hasnt beaten anyone ranked there in 4 years is #1? please.
and no one at 130 is avoiding him. tank clearly ducked loma, machado when he was top 5 and farmer when he was top 5. floyd himself said he wasnt interested in anyone else yet you keep ignoring all the evidence that this guy is a cherry picking fraud. why? its like you have already made up your mind. this is my guy im going to defend him regardless of the evidence. im going ot pretend hes great regardless of his horrible competition. here is some advice. get some standards of what you like in a fighter and then find that fighter. dont start with the fighter and work backwards cause then you come on here writing jibberish and defending someone like tank who wants no part of the real boxing league that is taking place without him. its been 4 and a half years. thats embarrassing.
Multiple media rankings have him at #1 or # 2 at 130.
no one at TR mentions him even though he is clearly the top draw. Bob is not inclined to match any of his guys against him, yet soon as Floyd says this you clowns start with duck.
Yet the guys that actually duck- like when they drop the title to avoid a fight- you make excuses for them.
No one is avoiding him at 130. Floyd just said only in-house fighters. That’s a duck!
Of course they are. Tank is the top draw at 130 by far and no one from TR mentions him.
He can fight in-house fights at 130 because that is where he is the top boxer. He isn’t at 135 or 140.
So if the goal is to have the best fight the best, why would Tank factor in the discussion at 135 or 140 when he isn’t the best at either weight?
So let's look at the options at the 3 weight classes he's fought at.
130: Claudio Marrero, Jaime Arboleda, Xavier Martinez, Chris Colbert
Colbert the only interesting option here, would be a fun fight, but more likely becomes an option further down the line at a different weight class. I doubt Davis returns to 130 at this point imo
135: Jezzrel Corrales, Michel Rivera, Javier Fortuna, Rolly Romero, Isaac Cruz
Options aren't great here as well. I've been pushing for the Fortuna fight for a while, think that's a really good and tough matchup for Davis. Fortuna will be in line to fight Haney if he beats Diaz, but I'm sure they could pivot from that win into a big fight with Tank. Even if he loses, he's an option again at 135 or 140 for Davis if he wins a comeback fight. Corrales a solid fight that I wouldn't mind, tough stylistic fight for Tank imo. Would Mayweather put Romero and Davis in a fight together? Who knows, but I bet they could sell it pretty well and it'd be an easy fight for Tank. Cruz seems likely in the near future imo. Mexican, exciting style, small guy. Leans towards an action fight that isn't really too tough or dangerous for Tank.
140: Ladarius Miller, Argenis Mendez, Robert Easter, Rances Barthelemy, Batyr Akhmedov, Ivan Redkach, Juan Heraldez, Subriel Matias, Regis Prograis
Miller, Mendez, Redkach and Herladez are probably fringe guys that would be disappointing fights that you'd have to put on regular Showtime. Easter and Barthelemy make sense. Akhmedov is a good fight, but high risk/low reward. Matias and Prograis are huge fights that would be incredibly dangerous.
There are also some ShoBox 140 guys that could be wildcards like Ergashev, Brandun Lee, Richardson Hitchins, Gary Antuanne Russell, Malik Hawkins.
Wild, wild card: Mikey Garcia at 140
Also can't rule out some kinda crazy foray to 147 vs a handpicked opponent, like Broner did with Paulie. Would Davis fancy his chances vs Jamal James for another WBA regular title or maybe a future vacant world title fight against someone like Abel Ramos or Stanionis? Can't rule it out
My guess is he'll jump back and forth between 135 and 140, fighting guys like Cruz, Fortuna, Easter and Barthelemy.
and that is based on what? valdez just beat the #1 ranked guy. tank has only ever beaten the #6 ranked fighter and a bunch of unranked bums lol. now does that logically make any sense to you? how is he ahead? try it out in another division. imagine if tank beat javier fortuna who is ranked #6 at 135 and then placing tank above lopez. wouldnt make much sense now would it? they are just hyping him cause he makes money and those other guys dont make as much. they ignored their own rankings to artificially place him at the top. its not like everyone vacated the division and no one beat any of the top guys. valdez just beat the #1 guy. diaz just beat the #2 guy. yet tank who hasnt beaten anyone ranked there in 4 years is #1? please.
and no one at 130 is avoiding him. tank clearly ducked loma, machado when he was top 5 and farmer when he was top 5. floyd himself said he wasnt interested in anyone else yet you keep ignoring all the evidence that this guy is a cherry picking fraud. why? its like you have already made up your mind. this is my guy im going to defend him regardless of the evidence. im going ot pretend hes great regardless of his horrible competition. here is some advice. get some standards of what you like in a fighter and then find that fighter. dont start with the fighter and work backwards cause then you come on here writing jibberish and defending someone like tank who wants no part of the real boxing league that is taking place without him. its been 4 and a half years. thats embarrassing.
Damn...you put an end to that real quick!...Having gone up to 140lbs for this fight,i seriously doubt that tank has the commitment or desire to cut back down to 130lbs anyways. I say it's catchweights from here on out for Tank.
tank was ducking people before he was a big draw. look up lomachenko-tank, tank-machado(literally stole his belt without fighting him), and tank-farmer. also tank has never made any 70-30 offers to them because they dont want to risk that they might accept his offer! he continues with the bums
"Ducked Machado" :lol1:
Its not a duck. Top Rank fighters do not sell tickets. Look at the Teofimo Kambosas debacle. If they want to fight Tank, they need to take a 70/30 split. Otherwise, they can kick rocks.'
Apples and oranges. Top Rank has all the relevant fighters at 135 and 140 outside of Haney and Garcia. Tank doesn’t want any part of any of them. He is in the Haymon Protection Program.
Its not a duck. Top Rank fighters do not sell tickets. Look at the Teofimo Kambosas debacle. If they want to fight Tank, they need to take a 70/30 split. Otherwise, they can kick rocks.'
tank was ducking people before he was a big draw. look up lomachenko-tank, tank-machado(literally stole his belt without fighting him), and tank-farmer. also tank has never made any 70-30 offers to them because they dont want to risk that they might accept his offer! he continues with the bums
Subriel Matias, Gary Antuanne Russell, Batyr Ahmedov...In house at 140 for Tank is not easy at all I doubt he jumps in with any off those guys right now I think he goes back to 135
Watch Out for Tank Davis vs Pitbull Cruz Gonzalez at 135 eventually which could be HUGE if they keep building it up Pitbull like they're doing I LOVE that fight stylistically would be explosive
Tank is the top guy at 130, he is not even ranked at 140 and isn’t the top guy at 135, just the biggest draw.
me why are you making it seem like he is a LW or JWW?
Bob wouldn’t dare match any of his top 130lb guys against Tank, especially Valdez.
Funny you forgot to mention that the guys at 130 are avoiding him.
and that is based on what? valdez just beat the #1 ranked guy. tank has only ever beaten the #6 ranked fighter and a bunch of unranked bums lol. now does that logically make any sense to you? how is he ahead? try it out in another division. imagine if tank beat javier fortuna who is ranked #6 at 135 and then placing tank above lopez. wouldnt make much sense now would it? they are just hyping him cause he makes money and those other guys dont make as much. they ignored their own rankings to artificially place him at the top. its not like everyone vacated the division and no one beat any of the top guys. valdez just beat the #1 guy. diaz just beat the #2 guy. yet tank who hasnt beaten anyone ranked there in 4 years is #1? please.
and no one at 130 is avoiding him. tank clearly ducked loma, machado when he was top 5 and farmer when he was top 5. floyd himself said he wasnt interested in anyone else yet you keep ignoring all the evidence that this guy is a cherry picking fraud. why? its like you have already made up your mind. this is my guy im going to defend him regardless of the evidence. im going ot pretend hes great regardless of his horrible competition. here is some advice. get some standards of what you like in a fighter and then find that fighter. dont start with the fighter and work backwards cause then you come on here writing jibberish and defending someone like tank who wants no part of the real boxing league that is taking place without him. its been 4 and a half years. thats embarrassing.
floyd was going on floyd's route.. he was like a dog chained by floyd.. i doubt he will lose at this rate.. he might also be undefeated but with a lot of asterisk... he's becoming more of a bum for fighting inhouse bums.. :rofl:
I was happy for Tank yesterday. Great showing.
But then I heard Floyd said this and I want nothing more than Floyd out of boxing. I get it: he is trying to maximize Tank's pockets, but the great contradiction in boxing is that this HURTS boxing in the long term.
As fans, we don't care how makes what. They care with good reason. The problem is of course structural, but this does not make it any more palatable.
Floyd just wrecked some very good matches. Tank will be facing no hoppers for a long time. The Floyd method: get PPV-name, then take no risk. Sure, makes money for him, but ruins boxing.
No one is avoiding him at 130. Floyd just said only in-house fighters. That’s a duck!
Its not a duck. Top Rank fighters do not sell tickets. Look at the Teofimo Kambosas debacle. If they want to fight Tank, they need to take a 70/30 split. Otherwise, they can kick rocks.'