HighUnderground

I blame OP

OP is one of the biggest meatballs on this forum. 3 years of posting and it's always the same crap..."blah blah blah, Floyd sucks, blah blah blah, broken English". Go jerk off to your Pacquiao posters and let somebody else say dumb **** that nobody really cares about. Your routine is old and boring.

This theory has no merit whatsoever considering Mayweather and GBP agreed to back off from using the USADA. They just want the blood and urine testing to be random. The fact that Manny and his camp have declined to participate is what people think is fishy. Regardless if Manny is innocent or not, the actions and comments of himself and his camp in all of this have created a real PR nightmare. He could clear this whole thing up and look like the bigger man by just agreeing to the test and then fighting Floyd in the ring, not in the courtroom. I have always liked Manny but, for the good of the sport, this issue should be cleared up ASAP. Manny is widely considered to be the best fighter in the sport today, and no doubt he is one of Boxing biggest stars in terms of celebrity status. It is for that reason that we can't afford to have these kind of looming questions hanging around. If he is clean, taking the test will only reinforce that and his willingness to be compliant would go a long way. If he is dirty, it's better that the sport finds out sooner rather than later. Then again, if he is dirty, even with the stricter tests, we may never know. It backs Manny into a corner, which does suck for him, especially if he is clean. However, that's the way it has become with this situation of PED's in sports since the 90's. I think it's a small price to pay for all that money involved.

you can't end a sentence with "who when". You should rephrase it. .... and who fought who and when ... or who fought who and what date. FIX IT. The issue at hand is GBP is demanding, not requesting, that Pacquiao's team comply with imperatives that are nonexistent in their sport or any professional sport in America. Ony in America can a participating athlete can demand and be praised for pressuring the foreign opponent to abide by unprecedented demands. No boxer has EVER had to do what Mayweather is asking. The original unnecessary directive was for Manny provide 15 random samples. (piss and blood) Well, that is one error. I thought there were more since that is what you implied by using the plural form of the word "sentence". Seriously, you are a joke. I would call you a Grammar Nazi, but the truth is you are really just devoid of rational thought. Rather than address the points I made, you just tried to attack a typo and went right back to spewing the same points that we have already heard. I feel bad for Manny, even if he is hiding something. Because fans like you are making the whole side of his argument seem desperate and moronic.

1. He is suing his father and the Mayweather company. Sr is the one that made the accusations. GBP made it public along with Mayweather camp. 2. I'm not a lawyer. I have common sense. Manny's lawyers would not advise this action without confidence of victory. Plus unfortunately money talks in court as well. Ask OJ. 3. Floyd Sr started his accusations months ago. Nothing happens overnight. Paulie expressed his opinion when asked. Mayweather's people made it an objective of the day to escalate doubt of Manny's clean reputation. how about them .... apples 1. What did GBP make public? That they wanted a drug test? Please show me a press release or direct quote from Floyd Mayweather Jr that says "Manny Pacuiao is on steroids". 2. No, you have no common sense. You just have a keyboard and a fascination with Pacquiao. Common sense is that these types of lawsuits are hard to win because of the first amendment. Lawyers say they have a good case and lose all the time, and it's not always about money. Remember, OJ may have gotten off once, but he is in jail now. Shit always catches up to people in the end. 3. So, now when Paulie says it, it is just an opinion? You are a retard.

ur playing reverse psychology lol...GTFOH How the hell is that reverse psychology? Do you really think they are going to be up for negotiating if Manny takes them to court and still refuses to take the tests? It's silly that people have such blind hatred for Mayweather and blind love for Pacquiao. how is standing up for yourself making matters worse? Because Manny is a fighter and he should do his fighting in the ring. Not the courtroom. If you don't think that filing a lawsuit over this is going to add to the mess, you are in total denial.

no one is getting owned but Mayweather, GBP, and Schaeffer ... and DLH lawsuit will go through ... Manny will get paid drug tests will happen ... Manny is clean fight will happen ... Manny punches Mayweather in the face every fight afterwards ... millions for Manny every fight after not including Manny ... not enough money for MAyweather to pay off the casinos Do you seriously believe that? If Manny follows through with the lawsuit, he will only make things worse. This will just stay in the press and hurt Pac even more, and I honestly believe that if he DOES sue, the fight is off for good.

From another thread and another post WHAT MAY NOT BE APPARENT TO FANS IS THAT THE PACMAN WAS VERY SUCCESSFUL IN DERAILING COMPLETELY THE ASININE PLANS OF THE MAYWEATHERS AND GBP. THESE EVIL CREATURES WILL NEVER -- AS IN NEVER -- EARN ANYTHING AT PACQUIAO'S EXPENSE. OSKIE'S ATTEMPT TO ERASE HIS MOST EMBARRASSING LOSS, AND FOR MAYWEATHER TO PROVIDE FORWARD COVER FOR HIS INEVITABLE LOSS, THROUGH DESTROYING PACMAN'S REPUTATION WILL NEVER COME TO BE. YOU SAY PACQUIAO IS WALKING AWAY FROM USD30 MILLION??? DID MAYWEATHER PIGLETS FORGOT THAT FLOYDIE COWARDIE WILL LOSE USD30 MILLION WITH CERTAINTY, AND ALL THOSE PERCENTAGES OF OSKIE, ELLERBIE AND ALL OTHER DESPICABLE MAYWEATHER HANGERS-ON CAN BE KISSED GOODBYE???? HAR! HAR! HAR! TRULY THE LOW LEVEL INTELLIGENCE OF THESE GREEDY MAYWEATHERS AND GBP CAN ALWAYS BE RELIED ON TO RUIN THEM. PACQUIAO CAN EARN A LOT OF MONEY FIGHTING JUST ABOUT ANYBODY. WHETHER YOU SEE HIM AS A HERO OR A CHEAT, YOU WILL STILL WANT TO SEE HIM FIGHT, IF FOR NO OTHER REASON THAT NO OTHER BOXER FIGHTS THE WAY HE DOES. OH, I FORGOT!!!! PACMAN IS WILLING TO UNDERGO ALL THE APPROPRIATE CLEANLINESS TESTS!!!! HAR! HAR! HAR! BUT IT WON'T BE MAYWEATHER WHO WOULD BENEFIT FROM SUCH TESTS!!!! MAYWEATHER VS. MATTHEW HATTON, MAYWEATHER VS. FLORES ISLAND PYGMIES, MAYWEATHER VS. THE STINKING IMP MOANING "MY PRECIOUS", HAR! HAR! HAR! THAT IS ALL THAT IS LEFT OF FLOYDIE. GIVE THE GUY AND HIS PYGMY FRIENDS HIS BEGGING BOWL, AS HE WILL SOON HAVE TO PAY UP TO SOME VICIOUS LOAN COLLECTORS IN HIS HOMETOWN..... WHY IS IT THAT IT IS ALWAYS THE DIRTIEST GUYS WHO ARE BAWLING OUT THAT OTHER GUYS MUST BE CLEAN???? I would lay off the coffee bro...it's not good for your heart. :lew:

1. I'm not getting paid to find your numerous grammar errors. 2. This is my thread so I do not have to address your questions. BTW I need you to provide 3 blood samples and 12 urine in a 10 week span prior to posting in ths thread ever. You won't find them anyway. You're just a tool. I ask again, how old are you? Be honest. Oh, that's right, it's "your" thread, so you don't have to address anybody's questions... :bryce:

None of your points have any strong merit though. Mayweather and GBP agreed to ditch the USADA and pick another organization to do the testing. Sure, you can kinda make the argument that GBP is being hypocritical, but ultimately this was Mayweather's request. Making the argument that there is no evidence does not always mean that there is NO suspicion, you are absolutely right about that. However, the difference between this conspiracy theory and the one against Manny is that there have actually been some questionable actions and statements that would make the general public have this suspicion of Manny. While your conspiracy theory actually has facts working AGAINST it. Some of these points you are referring to and calling neutral opinions are funny. Seriously, anybody who actually pays attention to boxing knows all the points and counter points for and against Floyd, and every other fighter for that matter. Talk about the issue at hand instead of creating new issues, like this make believe one, and old issues about weight or who fought who when. Both these men want this fight, and both men would fight any man who steps up with the best offer, whoever believes otherwise is being naive. Ignoring the actual events that have transpired and trying to turn this into a Mayweather bash-fest does not help Manny's case at all. That is a fact.

You have some incomplete sentences in your paragraphs resulting in a headache. Here is another point for you coming from an Avid MAywether Fan regarding GBP and DLH: We only see & hear lies, lies & more lies, plus ridiculous demands never before done in the world of fighting sports... Please go back and point them out. Please put all the grammatical mistakes in red and give me a grade. I assure you, I will be anxiously waiting. :wave: Although, I'm willing to guess the problem is not my sentence structure, but rather your lack of proper reading comprehension skills. Seriously, how old are you? I hope this isn't how you spend your time practicing for the high school debate team, because these methods are not helping your cause. Plain and simple, you are a blind follower who is not going to address the suspicious actions and statements of Pacquiao's camp. Like many others, they sadly just refuse to believe that their icon could have something to hide.

NSAC is the standard since all professional sports in America use a similar system. USADA not necessary. It does not matter the agency....anyone can be paid off. I agree that anybody can be paid off, Bob Arum knows a thing or two about that. So, how deep do you really want to travel down the rabbit hole with a topic like this? I mean, do you think that NSAC has never been corrupted? You said yourself, that mistakes are "likely" made when doing testing, why is the NSAC free from question about the validity of all their results? Now, I like Manny. I want this whole thing to be resolved and him to clear his name, but the fact is that we know people can beat the urine testing. Trying to deny that is like trying to swim against the current in a tidal wave. Manny's hardcore supporters are never going to budge on the topic, but the fact remains that Manny looks suspicious to a lot of fans, and even Keith Kizer said that it is an issue that the two camps should work out between themselves. Of course he is not going to say that the NSAC should rework the system they are using, because that would make him look bad. He don't really wanna get involved in the mudslinging. The truth is, the idea of completely random blood and urine testing is the most logical way to test athletes. The World Anti Doping Code gives a pretty thorough explanation of what are the measures that should be used when preparing individual testing plans. It's actually sad that the NSAC doesn't do MORE blood testing. For the record, I think the idea of completely random blood and urine testing is something that should be done across the board. Not just for this fight.

Manny has rights that he feels has been violated. There is nothing wrong with praticing your right to defend yourself. He will not have to do much fighting since evidence of slander is there for all to hear, see, and read. Plus his legal team have a head start on the situation. This is not news. Manny was considering this lawsuit while training for Cotto. Mayweather SR and Mayweather Camp have conducted press releases, press conferences, and interviews to purposely ruin Pacquiao. So now boxers should sue each other rather than fighting in the ring? Are you truly incapable of seeing how that could have a negative backlash on Manny? I know. You must be a lawyer who is privy to the detailed information of the case because you clearly have no doubt that Manny will win the court battle. Even though libel, slander, and defamation lawsuits are notoriously hard to win when dealing with public figures. Clearly though, you know more than the rest of us. Arum has no problem booking Malignaggi as a replacement, and he has been much more vocal about his opinions that Floyd Jr. Paulie basically came right out and said that he thinks Manny is doping. Why isn't he suing Malignaggi also?

That is how you are summing it up, and you are right to some extent. However, based on the interview he never speaks of the cutoff as being an affront to testing, and in fact he downplays it as not the real issue. The real issue according to the interview is having a competent overall drug testing program, but the cutoff date seemed more of an issue to the interviewer. WADA claims, for example, that "out of competition testing is considered the most effective means of detection and deterrence of doping". You are summing it up without fully reading what the man is saying. No, I am summing up what he is actually saying in that paragraph. Tygart downplays it as not the real issue, because to him it's not. He feels that the testing being done by the state athletic commissions is not enough in the first place, so adding any cut-off dates is irrelevant. That is what he is saying, plain and simple. I bet if you had heard him actually say it, as opposed to having read it, you would probably understand that. He is definitely NOT saying that it's okay to impose a cut-off date that the athletes know about. The WADA guidelines are very clear, and I actually took the time to read them when this whole fiasco started. They don't believe the athletes should have ANY say in when or how they are tested. That is what protects the integrity of their system and how it is applied to each sport and it's athletes. They do not have "cut-off dates" that the athletes know about (at least they shouldn't be if they are actually following the WADA guidelines and not their own version of it) , regardless of what people in the media or on message boards THINK they know about testing. They also don't play their entire hand when talking to the media because they don't want to let the world of dopers in on EVERYTHING they know. What is clear from this interview, and this whole debacle, is that testing needs to be stricter in Boxing, and in all sports.

That's always been the case with Floyd. Honestly, if it wasn't for his talk--he wouldn't be where he's at. I agree, you make some good points but you also have to consider Pacquiao's reasons---while albeit weak from a nuetral point of view-- is important to him, so there should be some give and take from both sides of the negotiations. No doubt. Floyd's character has definitely fueled people love and hate for him. However, there was a lot of give and take in the negotiations. Floyd made a lot of concessions for Manny, and his request for extra testing should not have been a big deal. It had nothing to do with money, ring size, glove size, weight limit, or any of that stuff. It was a simple request, and Manny (and his hardcore fans) blew it way out of proportion. Honestly, I'm not sure Arum wanted the fight to happen. He seemed to be hovering over this whole thing like a black cloud just waiting to pull the plug and constantly saying the fight is dead. That's just my opinion.

I am not taking it out of context. Here is the question preceding that answer: "Q: One other thing I wanted to touch base with you on -- when the Mayweather-Pacquiao discussions finally fell apart at the beginning of the month, it came down to a 10-day differential; Mayweather bent to 'I'll agree to 14 days prior to the event when there will be no blood testing,' and Pacquiao wouldn't go later than 24 days. Even if Mayweather had yielded to 24 days, what can an athlete do in 24 days? I mean, if you're clean 24 days before the fight, what can you do in the next 24 days that would have any impact on the fight whatsoever?" His answer is based off that. He implies that the issue is mainly if the testing prior to that period are up to standard, which he claims NSAC and CSAC are not. "The 14-day period, I'm a lot less concerned about that than what you're doing in the two months before that 14-day period." That quote clarifies any confusion between how we understand his words. Very clear and concise. I'm not sure where they were in mediation regarding the testing prior to cutoff, but this casts doubt on the 24 or 14 day cutoff being the real issue. You are taking it out of context and ignoring what he says right before that. "The human growth hormone for sure, levels of testosterone, and other designer steroids. Sounds like you've got some information -- I'm not agreeing factually that was the difference, and I'm not disagreeing. But if that's the case, the other piece is that, prior to that 14-day or 24-day blackout period, what system was in place? Were you just using the Nevada, or the state of California, system? If that's the case, I'm not worried about the 14-day or the 24-day blackout period, I'm worried about the rest of it. If someone's telling you that's where it fell apart, I think you've got to add the follow-up, 'Well, what kind of testing was going to happen before the 14-day or the 24-day blackout period?' The 14-day period, I'm a lot less concerned about that than what you're doing in the two months before that 14-day period." What he is saying is, if they are using the NSAC or CSAC standards then it's not cutoff dates that bother him, it's the whole testing procedure. You are either completely misinterpreting his words, or you are just spinning it, either way you are wrong.

Plenty of petitions have been made in the past. Thomas Hearns has, Riddick Bowe has. Just shut up and go away. You are wasting your time bro, there are too many inept individuals on this forum. I don't know how anybody thinks they can reasonably spin this article into something positive for Manny. Too many delusional nuthuggers around here.

well sorry if true boxing fans had hurt ur feeling but we are talking about a man hu is a known ducker in the sport of boxing rofl.:boxing: True boxing fans are not haters and nuthuggers.

No-one is spinning this article into something positive for Pacquiao---I just find it interesting that haters want to use it to prove a point about Pacquiao roiding---which is hilarious if you a look at the interview. and it's great testing is improving. I disagree. Clearly some people in this thread are attempting to spin this to make it look like the cutoff date was not a big deal and that Manny was justified in declining the tests and walking away from the fight. Which is bulls**t. Yeah, there are haters who are gonna say Manny is on roids, just like there are Floyd haters who talk trash all day long. However, Pacquiao could easily quell all that nonsense and shut everybody up by just taking the test. On the other hand, Floyd could beat every top welterweight in the world, save Darfur, cure AIDS, and swim across the ocean and there would still be 100 threads on NSB saying F**K Floyd. It's almost as if people enjoy hating Mayweather more than they enjoy liking Pacquiao. Personally, I like both guys and just wanna see the fight, I just think Manny was wrong on this one. I don't think he is a cheater, at least I hope not, I just think he has acted terrible about this whole thing and that's why this has been blown up to this point. **** all that bulls**t about his pride and not being "bullied" by Floyd. This is about boxing, and doing the right thing for the sport and it's fans. He should have taken the test, fought Floyd, and cashed his 40 million dollar check. You can be mad at Floyd for asking for the tests if you want to, but the bottom line is that he has the right to do that and it is a rather simple request.

The grammar in the message is on par with a lot of the posters here on NSB, lol

shane already bent over backwards for him.. usually when u agree to all the terms when buying a car, u sign it same day, right?.. why spend all the time in the dealership if u aint buyin? This is hardly like buying a new car. For all we know, Floyd may not have even gotten any paperwork put in his hand until today. I'm just happy the fight is on! :boxing:

lol, those are great

Green k given. I dont really know much at all about American football,but the superbowl is massive,right? Do you think leaving an announcement until superbowl sunday might lose some of the attention its supposed to create? Not at all. The Super Bowl is watched by over 100 million people each year. It's the perfect time to start promoting.

this thread is "lose"

ohh no, what's gonna happen to me? They're gonna tase you, brah

Once again, nothing but fair and balanced reporting from Fox News

Just as what you are doing now trying to defend Roger the crackhead even if you're saying you're not. You sound too obvious man, you have to reply to eveyone of us then saying it ain't so... :bsflag: I said I am not defending Roger's honor, and I am not. You can call him a crackhead, woman beater, or anything you want. All I am saying is that it is stupid for people to keep acting like he actually believes that Manny uses a drug that makes him bulletproof. Like so many others around here, you are having trouble with simple comprehension.

What salvation? Now you're professing to be jesus!!! Damned it, this site has become more mental than i thought! Yes. I am Jesus. Now go my son. Find a pistol and blow your fu**ing brains out. Please put yourself out of our misery.

Damn, and i thought you've used it first... Yeah, i deserved not to be conned by the fraud mayweather. It's fine with me if you people wants to be keep suckered on by the fraud though... Nice comeback...real clever. Although it probably would have been funnier if you wrote it in Tagalog. You don't deserve s**t. This is a sport where people put their lives on the line, and it's piece of s**t fans like you that give all of combat sports a bad name. If you are more concerned with seeing blood than actually seeing men compete at the sport of Boxing then I suggest you turn to professional wrestling or even MMA. Or, maybe you are in need of a serious psychiatric evaluation. Just a thought.

Oh yeah, then pray tell me...looks like you're much more obtuse than i thought. The picture of the backwards gun implies that you should shoot yourself in the head. Do you get it now? If you think that you deserve blood for your money, you are a scumbag.