So Oscar prime only lasted roughly a year? :rofl:
GTFOH...Seriously GTFO this forum. You're an idiot.
That was a prime Oscar, he was already a 3 divisional title holder and had fought top rated fighters. You're a moron.
Prime is not determine by age. But, how the fuck would you know? GTFOH.
Stamina? Is that why his ass kept looking at the time against John John Molina? Because, of his great stamina? :lol1:
I'm convinced that you never seen a prime Oscar.
His jab gave Floyd trouble? Oh for 3 rounds... Big whoop.
Wow...I'm honestly amazed at how stupid you are...read my post again...did I say Oscar's prime lasted a year...or did I say he hit his prime (in other words, for a ****ing retard like yourself) it started in 1999. Like I said...he was only 24...it was his first fight at Welterweight...He was well in his prime by the time he reached Tito...and had many fights at welter by then.
And I never said prime is determined by age...it's determined by experience ****ing idiot. By 24 he hadn't faced the tougher challenges he was going to eventually to.
You mean to tell me his stamina was the same when he fought Floyd as when he was in his prime? Is that why he used to come out smoking in the 12th?
Of course different fighters reach their prime at different stages. And, age doesn't determine prime. Obviously you didn't get the Floyd example. Basically what I'm saying is that filling up in a weight-class has nothing to do with prime as you suggested in your previous post.
I actually did mention something about your examples. I said for every lame example you give me about Oscar stamina. I can give you one about his lack of stamina.
Reading comprehension not your strong suit?
And, LOL Oh so now Oscar was unprepared for Mosley. That's what happen...I see :rofl:
Actually filling up a weight class could have something to do with prime depending on a fighter and his circumstances. That's why you're example of Floyd is null, because while it may not relate to his prime, it does relate to Oscar's. Of course, you're the idiot who believes DLH was already in his prime by his first fight at 147, when in reality he didn't even know what to expect at that weight. The truth is he was in his prime by the time he fought Tito based on a few simple things. He was physically in the same great shape if not better than when he fought Whitaker, and he had more experience (wins) under his belt: key ingredients in determining prime.
And again you mention Oscar's stamina, when in fact a prime Oscar would do everything better than the '07 Oscar: speed, power, footwork, reflexes, etc. (see, I'm not just talking about his stamina.) And I mentioned this before so reading comprehension may not be your forte.
And it's known that Oscar didn't prepare himself fully for the first Mosley fight (I thought everyone knew that.) He was busy with his music career if you didn't know. And that is exactly why he clowned with Mosley in their 2nd fight but was robbed sadly, like against tito.
The only thing time you proved me wrong was when Mayweather did indeed challenge Oscar and I took back what I said in that regard. In everything else, your counter arguments consisted of neglecting points you couldn't refute, and just plain ignorance. Don't believe me? Go read our little debate from the start, but then again, you would probably take the same approach. And quite honestly, I've wasted enough time with you. From here on out I'm not going to bother with that crap you have to write regarding this topic. So you can go **** yourself.
Btw, I did a little poll about Oscar's prime. The two choices were: vs Whitaker, or Trinidad. The result: 15-4 for Trinidad. I already know what you might say tho. Either you'll say in a sarcastic tone, "Oh Wow! what a large number of participants you had, enough to come to a conclusion." Or you might take the stance that the 15 that voted for Trinidad don't know jack about boxing and the 4 are boxing gurus. Again I don't want to bother with you anymore so I don't care what you say. Just thought I might fill you in.
No ****, smart one. So when I said "Floyd ducked Margarito plain and simple" WTF did you think I meant?
Yes Cotto went on air and said that when he was already signing Gomez and scheduling his next fight with Mayorga. Yep, those words have a lot weight to them.
I'm getting the feeling that this is not even about Oscar anymore. Because, it's pretty clear you didn't follow Oscar career. This has more to do with the hate you have for Floyd. Which is cool, I can dig it. I'm not a Floyd fan at all. But, he didn't duck Cotto, he did duck Marg. And, yes a duck is a duck and he ducked Marg. And, Oscar couldn't carry Floyd jockstrap.
Yeah you said he ducked Margarito but you sugar-coated it by saying that crap about high risk low reward.
As for Cotto you dumb****...he took Mayweather's name in the post-fight interview vs Mosley, when nothing was even determined so stfu about Gomez and Mayorga. And again, when Floyd was asked about fighting Cotto, all he said was, "Cotto is one hell of a fighter." On other occasions he blamed Arum and how Cotto "needs to build a fan base." If that to you isn't ducking, then you're ****ed or are on Mayweather's nuts.
And it's not about me having hatred for Floyd, I'm a boxing fan, not a nuthugger of any particular boxer, because I've backed up Floyd countless times with regards to his fight with Pacquiao and why it isn't happening.
What I'm sensing is that it has to do with your hatred for Oscar and how he whooped your boy Tito. You were probably shedding tears when he was putting on a clinic against him, and right before the score was announced you were contemplating suicide. Then when tito got that gift decision, you had a new outlook on life.
You're real stupidity lies in your thinking that a prime Oscar couldn't carry Floyd's jockstrap. You claim I only talk about Oscar's stamina when the fact is that a prime Oscar would do everything better then the Oscar that faced Floyd.
Not a warrior by any means. I just have a low tolerance for stupid idiots. Who want to throw their 2 cents around. As if they actually follow the sport closely enough. To give sound opinion.
And, in the bold. Not a damn thing, that's my point. Just like Floyd avoiding Margarito(not Cotto you F'ing idiot) has nothing to do with him being levels above Oscar as skills go.
Neither Cotto(who Mayweather didn't duck) nor Margarito(who Mayweather did duck) brought not only the money but everything else that goes with beating Oscar can bring you.
Nobody -besides Winky- would turn down Oscar, You simpleton.
Be real, how long have you been following the sport? It can't be too long if you don't know that Floyd been chasing Oscar for years man.
Make a logical post or GTFO this forum.
Please show me before 2005, where Floyd said he was willing to challenge DLH...please...if you do...I'll take what I said about Floyd avoiding DLH back. But it's gota be DLH between 99-03.
And tell me Floyd, if he could duck a punching bag in Margarito, would not avoid a prime DLH, when he would have a field day with Margarito and box himself to a UD.
And tell me why, when they asked Floyd if he would fight Cotto (when Cotto clearly said he would be willing to fight Mayweather) and everyone wanted the fight at the time ('07) did he not say anything about his willingness to fight Cotto....I'm waiting...
Inside the ring. I don't care about outside the ring, who was the bigger star, made more money, sold more PPV. All that is irrelevant to me.
It's what can they do inside the ring.
And, in between those ropes. Prime Oscar De la Hoya wouldn't be able to carry Floyd Mayweather Jr jockstrap.
Yea, I said it. And, I mean it too
yeah you're right...a prime Oscar would never beat Floyd...cuz Floyd would never accept the challenge...Floyd ducked Cotto and Margarito, and a prime Oscar takes those two to school.
Are you fucking stupid? No really, serious question. Are you fucking mentally retarded you dumb fuck?
Floyd been chasing Oscar for years...Who hasn't?
Who the fuck, besides Winky, would turn down Oscar? You think Floyd is that Fucking dumb? You think he got to this position by making stupid decisions?
And, no Floyd didn't duck Cotto, Yes he did duck Margarito. But, Oscar ducked Margarito too. And, what does that mean exactly? Not a fucking damn thing when you talking about Floyd-Oscar match up.
So don't come over here with some retarded shit.
Your next reply better be full of common sense and logic. If you not don't ever bother.
Oh we have ourselves an internet warrior. I don't even need to ask you those questions you asked me...judging by your earlier posts...the answer is quite obvious..
Show me the time Mayweather challenged DLH...and he got to his position by making smart choices...when he felt he couldn't beat someone...he didn't want to fight them...(Cotto and Margarito).
And what does DLH ducking Margarito have to do with anything? Bottom line is that if Mayweather could avoid Cotto, Margarito, I see no reason why he would want any of DLH in his prime..
Not a warrior by any means. I just have a low tolerance for stupid idiots. Who want to throw their 2 cents around. As if they actually follow the sport closely enough. To give sound opinion.
And, in the bold. Not a damn thing, that's my point. Just like Floyd avoiding Margarito(not Cotto you F'ing idiot) has nothing to do with him being levels above Oscar as skills go.
Neither Cotto(who Mayweather didn't duck) nor Margarito(who Mayweather did duck) brought not only the money but everything else that goes with beating Oscar can bring you.
Nobody -besides Winky- would turn down Oscar, You simpleton.
Be real, how long have you been following the sport? It can't be too long if you don't know that Floyd been chasing Oscar for years man.
Make a logical post or GTFO this forum.
Please show me before 2005, where Floyd said he was willing to challenge DLH...please...if you do...I'll take what I said about Floyd avoiding DLH back.
And tell me Floyd, if he could duck a punching bag in Margarito, would not avoid a prime DLH, when he would have a field day with Margarito and box himself to a UD.
And tell me why, when they asked Floyd if he would fight Cotto (when Cotto clearly said he would be willing to fight Mayweather) and everyone wanted the fight at the time ('07) did he not say anything about his willingness to fight Cotto....I'm waiting...
No because, again Oscar prime didn't start in 99.
So what if he was filling up at WW. That has nothing to do with it. It took awhile for Floyd to fill up to WW doesn't mean he's in his prime right now.
I gave you the fighters and top contenders that Oscar fought that would give him the experience. And, plenty of different styles too.
Yes he came out guns blazing in the 12 against Quartey. But, that after both did nothing but posture and feint for 10 previous rounds. Is not like it was a barn burner where he showed great stamina. He got touched up late in the MAGO fight, ran for his life against Tito, and kept looking at the time against Molina to kill time. That's not somebody who has great stamina. Also went on to fade in the first Mosley fight.
I mean for every lame example you give me about his stamina. I can give you one about his lack of stamina. Oscar stamina was average. Floyd has/had better stamina.
You are truly an idiot. Different fighters reach their prime at different stages. Why are you even giving the example of Mayweather. Am I saying DLH primed in his welter years, therefore, everyone must reach their prime in their welter years?
Funny how you mentioned nothing about Comacho. About Vargas (11th). And everyone knows about the first Mosley fight that DLH went in unprepared where he had his focus elsewhere (singing).
http://www.reviewjournal.com/lvrj_home/2003/Mar-07-Fri-2003/sports/20836913.html
Kevin Iole of now Yahoosports.com article back in 2003.
So I'll be waiting for you to take back what you said. But, I doubt you will and will come up with some other lame crap.
Not really. I'm not someone who argues for the sake of argument. I take back what I said about Mayweather avoiding a prime DLH.
He duck Marg, plain and simple. More than likely because the risk didn't out weigh the reward. However, fighting Oscar is different. Because against Oscar for any fighter. The reward will out weigh the risk. It's really common sense.
So Cotto "said" huh? What did Cotto offer or demand for the fight? Was there any negotiations? Did Cotto even contact Floyd? Or better yet when was Cotto open so negotiations could go down? I mean days after Floyd-Hatton Cotto was negotiating with Clottey for a fight in March. Then by new year the Cotto-Gomez fight was damn near a done deal for April. Then before the Gomez fight, Cotto was lined up for a Mayorga fight in July. Which later turned out to be Margarito. So there was no clear window of opportunity for them to even negotiate let alone have a fight.
A duck is a ****ing duck. Mayweather's stutter was in high gear when Margarito approached him. Don't give me that BS about high risk low reward when he was offered $8 Million fight him.
And no. Cotto didn't contact Floyd. But at least he went on air to say he'd be willing to face Mayweather. While Mayweather never mentioned the reasons you're giving. He simply said, "I won't let the sport of boxing retire me, I'll retire from the sport." and "I've done what I had to do."
If his prime started in 1999 when did it end?
He hadn't faced enough tough challenges when he fought Whitaker? Did you not follow Oscar career? He was already a 3 division champ, had faced the likes of Leija, Molina, Hernandez, Ruelas, MAGO(who was borderline top 10 P4P level fighter at the time), a faded JCC. These type of opponents give you the experience you need. The way he beat most of them. Shows that he was in his prime when he faced Whitaker.
You saying he wasn't in his prime because he was 24. That means you using age as the way to determining prime. Which is F'ing retarded to do so.
His stamina in his prime. Guns blazing in the 12 round? When did he come out guns blazing in the 12th? Against Quartey because all they did was posture and faint each other for 10 rounds prior? Or was it after "schooling" Tito did he come out guns blazing in the 12th? Especially after round 10 when his corners tells him "not another round like that Oscar". And, what does Oscar do? Gives them another round like that :lol1: Or better yet was it against Molina were he kept looking at the time? Or was it against MAGO did he come out guns blazing getting tagged late in the fight? Yea OK guns blazing alright.
I'm convinced you have no idea what you're talking. Why don't you try to actually watch his fights.
So you admit you were in retard mode when you read that part?
When he fought Whitaker...he had yet to settle into Welter...yet to gain the experience of fighting Welters...that's 7 fights we're talking about....you mean to tell me that in those 7 fights when he had yet to face Tito...Oscar gained nothing? Or that he had already faded by the time he faced Tito?
And again, you RETARD, I didn't say Oscar wasn't in his prime because he was 24. He wasn't in his prime because at the age of 24 (when he faced Whitaker) he didn't have the experience of fighting Welterweights. Not because of his age. But because of his experience. Get it? If you don't, you need a doctor.
You're telling me that DLH didn't come out firing in the 12th vs Quartey? Against Camacho? Against Tito there was no need, cuz he was tattooing him all night long, why take the risk? and everyone knows he was robbed. Take the tko of Vargas in the 11th? One round shy of 12. Don't give me that BS that the Oscar who fought Floyd had the same stamina as a prime DLH.
I'm not even a Floyd fan. But, a washed up Whitaker made a prime Oscar look foolish at times. A prime Floyd vs a Prime Oscar? Really?
People just hate Floyd or romanticize what Oscar is capable of.
That was hardly a prime Oscar. Dude was only 24 then. It was his first fight at welter. DLH hit his prime roughly around 99 when he embarrassed tito yet got robbed. Secondly, Whitaker was a southpaw...do the math. A washed up Oscar's jab gave Floyd trouble...A prime DLH had more speed, power, stamina, desire, you name it. And a prime DLH came blazing in the 12th. He would be an absolute nightmare for Floyd, that is why Floyd would never fight him.
he prob duznt want 2 fight floyd he just using his name 2 get media coverage
oh he wants to fight him...the only thing to watch out for is mayweather's retirement..
A fully glove-inspected Margarito winning again against Cotto in the same fashion erases the plaster of paris debacle. I think Tony takes Cotto again basing in their performance aganast PAC.
styles make fights bud...so you can't base the rematch based on the pac fight.
Margs WILL beat cotto again.
only sucks that he would have to go against Pac again afterwards and we know what will happen there..
Margs > Cotto anyday.
He has the heart of a lion.
yeah and what if Cotto wins? Let me guess, it's because margarita was made to look like an eskimo against pac..
got to be cotto after the doubts that shroud their first fight.. although I think marg would win as he would still be relentless and cotto's stamina sucks a bit and he's not the same since their first fight...be interesting though
ever think the plaster may have had something to do with Cotto slowing down?
Khans chin is still alright he got stunned a few times early and then was rocked big time in the tenth dont see how he awnsered the critics in that department.What will help Khan out is his amazing conditioning which like Bradley allows him to recover pretty quick
the fact that he got hit a number of timmes by a much bigger puncher, flush, and didn't go down..
Good win for Khan last night but man, he is just waiting to be KOed brutally.
look at this idiot...talking all the smack in the world before the fight and after he faces the toughest challenge in the division...still discrediting him...GTFO with that BS...if one of the hardest hitter couldn't knock him down...I don't see who can...
After paying $60 for Clottey/pac I felt that maybe I was better off not buying it, but forgot about it the next day.
After watching Mosley/pac for free via live stream, although I had no intention of ordering it and no real basis for the thought that followed, I couldn't stop obsessing about the nightmare of a mistake I would've made had I ordered it..
Yeah de la Hoya was also tall enough but just remember....manny fights for the people. He didn't take the money because he was getting paid in millions....he fights for the people...the very next day he went in a chopper with all the earnings from the fight in bags and he showered the people with every single dollar from the fight...because he fights for the people..
nah, only pac has to take it.
cause he's a cheater. plus he fixes fights. and he also beat old shot boxers. and he's one dimensional. he also has a mustache
also his name is hard to spell
you forgot all the bs excuses he gave to avoid the tests...
and you also forgot how well he justified his power:
"you have to believe me. my power is all nateral."
That was exactly how the 2nd fight will end, margarito standing and cotto on his ass. I think cottos heart was beating faster than it was the entire 12 rounds against mayorga he just put in 30 mins before hand. You can literally see the sweat dripping off stewards forehead.
I think for Cotto it had more to do with hatred than fear, especially considering margarita's last 3 fights. Cotto, like a lot of others, feel margarita cheated, and that's something he'll always hold against him. That is where the awkwardness stemmed from, not so much fear.
Because there is absolutely no proof of Margarito ever using dodgy gloves in a fight.
Cool video also. Nice to see Cotto knows his place.
but there's proof he loaded his gloves...which is bad enough :)
dude im not getting mad at u or anything.. atleast u have the brains to carry on a debate unlike these 2 other chumps... and i dont believe cotto would win regardless if it was at 145 or 147... cotto just didnt have the style to beat manny and it shows.. u cant sit here and say cotto was weight drain and that the weight affected him or anything because in all honesty cotto looked great, he just didnt do well against manny... manny got his punches off first was more accurate and was just the better boxer that night... no excuses.. cotto didnt make any excuses why should u??
so just because someone reasons that Cotto performed badly that night because he was weight drained automatically makes it an excuse? Probably has more to do with you being on the other side. And Cotto has never been one to make excuses (even if he felt it was a reason), that means a boxing fan can't have his own opinion?
then why do u keep responding to my post my nigg?? shouldnt u be writing an article on boxing since your the so called boxing expert???
borderline racist because someone gives his opinion on puckiao. you must have a crush on him.
i didnt say u were black, and pacman have a huge fans outside of his own people also... and im not filipino. if your writing what u observed then u should saw the other racist comments by them.. but yup skip through that and reply to my post instead... awww i feel special now... thanks..
yeah you can feel special knowing it was your racist rant that caught my eye..and you started it, which encourages others to make racist remarks about you. you also replied to the comment about being a dog eater, an obvious remark to the Philippines, and you acknowledged it..unless it's a coincidence that you happen to eat dogs but are not filipino?
and u having tyson as your avatar will u know where im going with this LOL... opinion's are fine, i love having a discussion about such topic... but dont get heated up if u cant take my opinion's..
you're trying to make yourself feel better by assuming that I'm getting mad, when I was simply writing what I observed.
I'm not black btw, Tyson has a huge fan following of all races. By assuming that I am because of my avatar just makes you an idiot. Kinda like if I assumed you were filipino because of you're avi, although I know you're filipino.
They're trying to clean puckiao's image as he moved away from the chick to show he's a "God fearing man" and that he would never cheat on his wife....nice try..