Once a guy with clout starts waxing poetically about a guy/era, the sheeple will fall in line.
The number system can never be accurate.
H2H is a good measure but so many guys can never get the opportunity to check that box (outside of fantasy fights).
HWs are stuck in that 1 div...testing themselves vs top guys in other divs is pretty much out of the question.
Prime guys from different eras are in the same boat.
I refer to Mike Tyson when it comes to guys with ''talent''.
Full on beast mode vs a certain level of opponent.
Not so special when they step up.
GGG, how many defenses did he have in his run ?
Joe Louis had a club dubbed Bum Of The Month.....
In the end, if a person is going to make a list, it should rely heavily on the fantasy fight outcomes :lol1:
Which opponents step up when fury beat shit of all or Tyson in his prime who same whoops all top contenders reigning champions made them like bums reason you say that because you are biased and hate on somebody Shavers, Norton,Grant,Frazier are all World beaters but Wilder,Holmes,Klitscko,Spinks are bums
True, berr isn't Floyd fans favourite person. I'm not sure where Bert had pac, but he did say Pac was goat southpaw before cott o fight
Pac ducked floyd for years turned down offer in 2008
Ali @ 7 :lol1:
Duran @ 8 :lol1:
If the Sun is #1ATG
Ali is the Earth
Duran would be beyond Pluto.
How many fights from the Gans and Langford era even exists ?
I hope people don't take lists seriously.
Duran is clearly top 3
Domination is the only thing the vast majority of fans can see, the rest you gotta know the sport inside out to see what's really going on. Two greats can have a high-level chess match showing superb high-level boxing with countless traps and subtle strategies, the average fan boos this while he was in a frenzy during the prelim where two cavemen were clubbing each other for 10 rounds.
Boxing is the only sport where you don't get credit for being a dominant . fans are so dumb that they only give you credit if you win in close wars against your opponents because then your opponents look better and enhance your own status.
Anthony Joshua has a overall deeper resume than Fury.
He beat a better version of Wladimir Kiltschko 'In the greatest heavyweight title fight of the past 20 years'.
He beat Pulev who has beaten Chisora.
He beat Povetkin who recent banged out Whyte.
He banged out Whyte, who now Fury is claiming could be his last fight.
He beat a unbeaten Parker who also beat Chisora, who is apparently one of Fury's best wins.
He beat Ruiz Junior in the rematch, proving that he can comeback from a loss.
And now he is facing Usyk, in another rematch. If he beats Usyk, this win will be 100% a greater win that Fury's win over Kiltschko.
Tyson Fury may be the better fighter, but in terms of effort as a champion? Anthony Joshua has been a better champion, and this reflects in his resume. Joshua has taken on all comers. Fury as a champion, in order to get a fight with him 'It seems like you need to take him to court'.
Tyson Fury has only just become champion, and he now wants out. Fury's hardcore fans are all extremely disappointed and underwhelmed.
Better version of klitschko how????
LeBron is like 4-6 in the Finals that’s hardly dominant. Fantastic player and of the greatest ever individually but he’s never dominated the game like Jordan did, or even how Russell did in the 60’s.
His longevity is insane anyway my points is why boxing fans think winning in close fights makes your resume better and your own status and is better than KO someone in 1 2 rounds why boxing fans doesn't appreciated domination why boxing fans appreciated more life death fights
Your ignorance is showing... Lewis beat up all the young guns, never ducked a single... Briggs, Golata, Tua, Morrison, Ruddock, Vitalie, should I go on? there are more... Lewis has one of the best resumes of any heavyweights
Morrison-HIV Briggs? Tomato unknown schooled him foreman was Robbed Ruddock-already beaten by Tyson 2 times with broken jaw Vitali-green Vitali Lewis get Lucky cut and retires like coward ducked rematch
Oh we're doing this thread again?
Fury has two big away title wins against long reigning champions. Joshua has more depth, fought his mandatories and went and unified titles.
What you like from that is what you like.
Against 40 olds
If one is a crack fiend, yes
Ruiz alone > Wallin, 12L, Cunningham and the version of Wlad Fury'' fought'' would be in danger.
Ruiz just kick AJ Ass thats what he did AJ lost to ruiz dfkm
Why not ask Larry Holmes?
He called Holyfield a steroid user 30 years ago.
And Bowe’s camp wanted him drug tested.
Larry Holmes say 80s Heavyweights are 2x times better than 90s heavyweights what about that lol
Holyfield was a ped cheat
lennox is overhyped, only had to just about beat a post ped run down holyfield and a long past it tyson.
Prime lennox 97-99 was great...but it seems ppl only think of that version of lennox and compare him to the worst version of others which is why i say he was overhyped.
For me, what defines 'great' in boxing is to
for 2 guys in their prime at the top level, established (not lucky mandatories with the element or surprise), fighting each other.
Example duran vs leonard.
Beterbiev vs gvozdyk
fury vs wilder is NOT an example.wilder was unproven and shouldnt be hyped unless he proves it vs other established names
I hate Lennox Lewis fans when they will tell me that tysons floyd mayweathers rj resume is nothing special and that they fough washed fighters its ironically that Tyson was washed Tucker-Washed Holyfield past prime 38 old Morrison-HIV Mercer-past prime Lewis arguably lost Schooled by grandpa Holmes mccall-kick Lewis ass in rematch he has mental health problems and was in jail Ruddock-was already destroyed by Tyson 2 times and physicaly broken
Holyfield was a ped cheat
lennox is overhyped, only had to just about beat a post ped run down holyfield and a long past it tyson.
Prime lennox 97-99 was great...but it seems ppl only think of that version of lennox and compare him to the worst version of others which is why i say he was overhyped.
For me, what defines 'great' in boxing is to
for 2 guys in their prime at the top level, established (not lucky mandatories with the element or surprise), fighting each other.
Example duran vs leonard.
Beterbiev vs gvozdyk
fury vs wilder is NOT an example.wilder was unproven and shouldnt be hyped unless he proves it vs other established names
Lennox Lewis was very good cherrypicker also one of the best
Lennox resume destroys Joshua's.
Yes but wins over washed tyson 38 aging field who Lewis arguably lost Morrison HIV and gatekeeper Mercer who Grandpa Holmes schooled and Lewis arguably lost and over mental broken mccall who was in jail before mental health problems doesnt look that impressive
Lol the Tyson Holy fought would still get knocked out by Lewis.
Bowe also ducked Lewis.
Lewis beat Holy two times
Bowe ducked Lewis like Lewis duck Ruiz and a byrd Holyfield would kick Lennys ass and Holyfield won 2nd fight
Wasn't the first time.
Conn was beating Joe's ass in the 1st fight until he got too brave.
Holy took the HW div by storm.
Usyk may be the goods.
Blown up cruiser didnt do anything bar beating overrated AJ
You are not a Fury hardcore fan GrizzlyGrizzly.
I responded to your last post, as if you was a Fury fan. But still my last post, is targeted at all hardcore Fury fans.
I am not actually against Fury, I would still rank him as number 1 'But not by much'. And due to his clumsiness, and completely overrated abilities these days?
The man is there for the taking, but that is the heavyweight division as a whole. All of the top fighters are there for the taking, nobody is miles better than each other.
Note: But I do wonder, whether you admittance of not being a Fury fan is real? Maybe you are neutral like myself. I can change who I am supporting from fight to fight. I am most likely backing Fury 100% up against Whyte on principle. I was disappointed in Whyte not engaging in any of the pre-fight build up and press conferences 'I think it was a low move'.
But in the heavyweight division the plight of Anthony Joshua is the most intriguing. His next fight, is a mega fight. If he beats Usyk, it may well be one of the best heavyweight wins of the past 20 years 'I think it would be greater than Fury's win against Wladimir Kiltschko'.
I would be neutral if Fury & Joshua ever fought. I will block out the fan-bases, and I will tend to back whatever fighter principles endear me.
I don't think because Fury was underdog Usyk didn’t prove himself at HW bar AJ at all and its depend now AJ won
- - A hatchling fly emerging from a moist patty is smarter than U.
1. Took one of the most notorious steroids to beat Wlad.
2. Ducked the rematch whereupon he was stripped of his illegally earned baubles.
3. Ducked AJ twice, the last being a 75 mil guarantee to fight fellow duckee Deyonce for peanuts.
4. Counts a dummy like U as his support.
5. That's just for starters. Git Thee on hands and knees and start praying Tygrrl. Whyte don't play nice.
Goat fury unbeatable solos bums like tyson, Lewis and everyone tyson lewis holyfield Ali Louis all Lucky fury was not born at that time wilder most dangerous puncher top 5 HWS ever
- - Vander heavy record 26-10-2, 15 KO with his last bout vs 10 yr retired Brian Nielson sporting 2 new hip replacements.
While he did fight near everyone save the Ks, after Big George busts his bubble, his losses suddenly start appearing as his KO% drops to something like 25%. Ya could look it up!
Lennox Lewis, he never once beat a single opponent who wasn't also beaten by another heavyweight at some point or another. Or beaten any opponent that wasn't beaten as convincingly, or even more convincingly by another heavyweight.
Every opponent Lewis beat, was already beaten just as convincingly, or sometimes even more convincingly before and / or after losing to Lennox Lewis by another heavyweight. And some of those heavyweights that beat Lennox Lewis's opponents just as convincingly or more convincingly, didn't even have all time great heavyweight records themselves.
The absolute best opponents Lewis beat, such as Evander Holyfield and Mike Tyson, were already way past their best and were pretty much shot / washed upm
Not possible...lewis beat everybody that stepped in the ring with him.....Holyfield , Tyson , ruddock , mercer , Morrison , klitchcko , Briggs , golota , Tua , tucker , mcall , Bruno......Holyfield beat an old holmes and foreman , lost 2 out of 3 against bowe , lost to moorer , Cooper nearly had him out.
I like Holyfield he was a warrior but no way was he above Lewis .....not a chance
Washed tyson Tucker was washed Morrison HIV BRUNO Not in his prime dominated Lewis before he gassed mccall mental problems without that he smashed Lewis
Ali struggled against Mildenburger (who?). Holyfield lost to Moorer. Tyson, Lewis, etc. never fought southpaws.
So AJ loses to the greatest technician and southpaw to ever grace the HW division and he is terrible?
AJ was definitely overrated when sheep thought he was the best of this era. Some morons still think going life and death and getting knocked down by 41yo Klit is more impressive than winning 10 rounds in Germany against 10-year unbeaten Klit.
Lewis did not fight the best of his era in their primes in Bowe, Holyfield and Tyson. So even if you think the 90s is the strongest era ever, it is irrelevant. Also, does every fighter in that era get a reputation buff retrospectively? Was Pinklon Thomas some beast who would be better today? Fat cap.
Lewis' resume is vastly overrated. But I value H2H ability far more and he ranks well here.
He lost to blown up Cruiserweight
How good does foreman think evander is? He's fought Ali, he's fought evander so is in good position to judge
Foreman say Holyfield is most skilled opponent he fough