Pac is making a strong case for biggest sore loser with all this BS. Some of JMM's complaints about getting screwed are valid. His first two bouts with Pac were pretty damn close and could have gone either way. I think he won their third bout though. I was pretty angry with the decision when it happened. It wasn't on the level of Pac-Bradley, but it was still a robbery.
For all we know, he could have been in on it from the start. Remember, he's a promoter now, so he's involved in all the dirty business of boxing. There's good reason for him to sign off on giving Alvarez a little help when it comes to marketability too. He needs to maintain a good relationship with GBP because he'll never have a good one with Top Rank.
But that's just a theory. We'll never know who paid CJ to score that fight a draw (there's no way in hell she actually believes it was).
So Floyd asks Manny to take the test after the Cotto fight. Team Pac refused at the time. So we have :
Clottey W UD 0 KD
Margarito W UD 0 KD
Mosley W UD 1 KD
Marquez W UD 0KD
Bradley L SD 0KD
This is all coincidence but interesting nonetheless
If you just look at the stats like that, then sure, it looks like he's lost his KO power or something. But look deeper and you'll realize there are reasons that these fights didn't end in knock outs.
Clottey, Mosley, Marquez, and Bradley have never been knocked out. The first two spent their entire fights on the defensive. Clottey turtled up from the start. Mosley ran and never put himself in harm's way once he realized he couldn't win. Marquez arguably won his fight with Pac. I think he won by a round, but w/e. He's also a tough SOB who is going to be in the HoF when he retires. Bradley has a tough chin apparently, and I felt like Pac was carrying him. My guess at the time was that they didn't want Bradley's career to fall into the abyss, so they wouldn't have Pac destroy him. I didn't even think that they might go even further and have Bradley win.
Margarito has only been knocked out twice, and in both fights it was against guys who I would consider to be much harder punchers than Pac. Pac's best weapon was never his punching power. It was his work rate. He would smother his opponent with punches. Eventually he'd knock them out after landing so many left hands.
You're entitled to your opinion though. Maybe you're right. Maybe he was on PEDs before and now he isn't, and maybe that's why he couldn't knock out the above fighters. I don't think that's the case though.
It felt like Pac was carrying Bradley through the fight. I told my friend that I figured they wanted to keep Bradley's career from dropping into the toilet after his first loss, and that they would tailor the scores to be very close. When they read the first judge's score I thought "Yeah, they're doing what I figured." but then I was dumbfounded by the rest. I just don't see Bradley having won that fight no matter how many times I watch it. Sure, he was more active in the early minutes of each round, but being active doesn't really mean anything if you're not actually landing blows on the other guy. I guess the judges disagree with me, or the fight was fixed. Either way, the sport is hurt by this.
That was even less exciting than the Clottey fight. I'm angry that I even considered buying the PPV. Extremely glad that I decided not to. I'm going to have to go watch some Pac-JMM fights to get rid of the bad taste this fight left.
Lol, I noticed that too during the Foreman fight. Yuri would hit him with a jab and Cotto would swipe at it afterwards.
Actually, he does it in my sig.
I like Cotto, but that shit has me dying of laughter. That stuff always bugged me, but I never really thought much about it. Glad to see it bugs the hell out of other people as well.
Could be any number of reasons. He just fought. He wants to take some time off. He's worried about what could happen with his uncle's trial. He wasn't satisfied with the terms of the contract with Pacquiao. He doesn't want to fight Pacquiao right now. He doesn't want to fight Pacquiao, ever.
Sadly, I'm not Professor X, so I couldn't tell you which one of these is the real reason. =b
It all depends on how focused and disciplined Judah is come fight night. If he gets frustrated and loses his composure, he'll probably get beaten. He looked great in his last fight, but that was against someone who looked like he was fighting underwater. I would want to see Judah in one more fight (one that went the distance, or close to it) to get a good idea of how much he's matured.
Regardless, if Judah fought Alexander or Bradley, they'd be good fights to watch.
Having fought them both, Marquez is one of the best people to ask when comparing Pacquiao and Mayweather. That said, he fought Pacquiao back at 130. There's no way to know if Pacquiao lost any speed moving up to 147. We won't really know who is faster until they step into the ring and start throwing.
I wouldn't read into it too much though. Being stronger and faster doesn't mean a whole lot when you're facing a guy with top notch defensive and countering skills. Marquez gave Pacquiao plenty of trouble himself.
He should be perfectly capable of beating Margarito at 154. The dude looked like he was fighting underwater in his last fight. Unless he was sandbagging, he's going to get annihilated by Pacquiao.
If Pacquiao wins, the WBC will have to make up yet another belt: the Light Junior Middleweight Championship. He can hang that up next to his WBC Diamond Belt.
Pacquiao should be fighting someone who will better prepare him for Mayweather. Someone who is quick and clever. Margarito is pretty much the exact opposite of that. He's known for an iron chin and crazy punching power; both of which seem to be gone now. Mosley showed that the chin could be cracked, and Garcia showed that Margarito's punches aren't something to be feared anymore (just look at his face after ten rounds and you'll see what I mean).
The only thing he has going for him is the size advantage, and that can just as easily be turned into a weakness if Pacquiao gets inside and starts a fight there.
The least Margarito can do for boxing fans is weigh in at 154. Eat that penalty and force Pacquiao to fight and beat a true junior middleweight for the belt.
Eating food only increases your mass, but it doesn't determine what that mass will be. Your body has an idea of how big it should be. Once you reach that point it becomes increasingly difficult to get any bigger without putting on fat weight as well. The only thing that I'd find questionable is the fact that Pacquiao gets bigger, but always looks cut. It could very well be perfectly natural (some people are just freaks), but I can see why people would find it suspicious.
But that's not what this thread is even about. This is about the catchweight for a title being cheap. Pac should just kill any doubt by withdrawing the catchweight clause and letting Margarito weigh in at 154. That's all I'm saying.
Mayweather is an extremely skilled boxer for sure. One of the best. His ability to adapt mid-fight is something that most fighters could only do in their wildest dreams. But he's certainly not invincible. No fighter is invincible. And if a fighter does retire unbeaten, it's only because none of his opponents figured him out.
It's not the 154 "championship" I never said that but it's also the same paper title Floyd held at one time and he still has it on his resume LOL!
It's the 148-154 championship. Pacquiao would like the division to be restricted to 148-150, but only for that particular fight. Afterwards, he'd like to be referred to as the champion at 148-154.
Do you see why people might find something wrong with that?
And if you say "Well Margarito is fine with it..." or retort with "Well Floyd, Ray Leonard, and some other guys did it!" I am going to find some way to force choke you through the internet.
After or before the Manny fight ? In the end of 2010, with his undefeated record ? After a dull fight with Cotto ? :thinking:
Depends. If he does fight Pacquiao, and loses, he'll probably retire for good. If he wins, he'll probably come back and fight someone he knows he can beat to pad his record a little more.
No I don't because Tony isn't gonna weight 154 pounds when he steps into the ring on fight night anyways. Hes gonna weigh somewhere between 165 and 170 so I wouldn't exactly call it restricting his weight now would I.
You and I both know that the rules are only concerned about how much a fighter weighs during the official weigh-in that takes place 24 hours before the fight.
And you're suggesting that he's going to gain 15 to 20 lbs within 24 hours? That would be pretty impressive. How much does Paul Williams gain after a weigh-in? How much did Thomas Hearns?
This would be awesome!
Martinez is much more of a challenge to Mayweather Jr's '0' then Pacquaio.
Yes and no. Martinez has a habit of getting robbed. Hell, he's the only guy I've seen to get a KO win turned into a draw.
That's why I hate this fight. It's bad for boxing regardless of the outcome. Pacquiao winning his 8th division title at a catchweight is easily the lesser of the two evils though.
and what i don't understand about this situation,
is that if Mayweather were to fight Cotto for his 154 belt at a catchweight
these same guys would be crucifying him.
people's bias towards their favorite fighters are just too disappointing at times. :nonono:
If Mayweather did this with a Cotto fight, I'd be right here saying the same stuff I am now. It's a cheap tactic. But here's the thing. I would have expected it from Floyd since he's all about controversy. The fact that it's Pacquiao is what's really frustrating. I expected better. =/
And is Tony compplaining about it? No! Seriously stop crying over spilled milk!
If you can show me any boxing rule book where it says that championship bouts "have to" be contested at the full weight limit and not at a catch weight then you have an argument. Otherwise it's just another case of a bitter Floyd stan being all sour grapes over Mannys accomplishments and making up their own requirements and rules to how Championship title bouts should be conducted.
Seriously man thats exactly what you are doing. Just making up shit as you go.
I'm trying to choke you right now. Let me know if you can feel it.
Of course it's not against the rules. No one said it was. I said it was cheap. Learn the difference. And I've always prefered Pacquiao to Mayweather. I'm allowed to criticize fighters I like. In fact, I'm usually harder on them because I want them to be legitimately great.
Ugh 150 pounds is within the junior middleweight weight class right? Isn't 175 pounds a full 25 pounds under the HW "minimum"?
Yeah I hope you see why your analogy is a complete and utter failure?
It was a joke. That should have been obvious.
LOL yeah a man who was a career featherweight/Junior Lightweight trying to make sure that at the very least he doesn't get out weighed by 20 pounds is such a travisty.
I mean guys who started out as flyweights always move up to the Welterweight division all the time. Yup happens everyday!
It's not fair that Margarito's DNA makes him a larger man. He should have his weight restricted to make it more fair because Manny needs an 8th division title to add to his collection.
Are you kidding me in my balls?
Cheap? He's gonna be fighting a supermiddleweight come fight night and Im not sure that Pac can make it up to 150 pounds himself. Seriously guys it's not like they make Tony weight in on the day of the fight. He's gonna be a giant fuking Mexican come fight night.
That's the nature of the sport. If you can barely hit 150, then fight guys your size. If you want to prove yourself against larger fighters, don't restrict their size beyond what the rules already do. It diminishes the achievement. I'm trying to be reasonable here, man. Tell me that you at least understand the point I'm making.