It looks like that's more or less what went down. Frank must believe he has a strong case or he wouldn't be taking it to court. The legal costs involved could end up being astronautical.
Frank has no case. It's an act of desperation. The Zuffa takeover is inevitable.
Just Fat Dan and a couple of others have said some news will drop this week that will blow the Benn story out the water.
Could be Fury, but that's not exciting.
Could be Ryan Garcia, again, expected.
Neither seem solid where they are anyway.
I'm just wondering what could be so huge... So I'm just speculating. Top Rank/PBC must be willing to sell right now, they're dead.
Who knows. Probably just Ryan... Boring.
Thanks for the reply. Oscar tried to claim Ryan is still under contract for a couple more fights. Warren is saying the same about Fury. I'm looking forward to hearing this.
Zuffa Boxing is taking over the industry. This was obvious once you saw who the partners are and the fact they were pushing an amended ali act through Congress.
10-13%. He's a minority shareholder.
Seems he wanted a piece of every pie until he decided what he wanted... And that was... Everything.
He will screw Dana off too once it's all set up.
It'll be hard for him to screw TKO. They are pretty smart and his best strategic partners. He does WWE stuff with them also.
That's a Ring/Sela show.
Rumours Frank fell out with Turki for a few months now, that's why Queensbury hasn't done a Riyadh Season/Ring show for a year now.
It seems likely Fury is out of contract or is able to fight without Queensburys blessing on the Ring show (maybe the Top Rank half of the contract?). Frank really doesn't like talking about it and says he has nothing to do with it.
Zuffa doesn't work with other promotions, so they won't be working with BOXXER anytime soon.
However... Some big news apparently breaking this week... Could very well be Zuffa buying Top Rank or PBC outright to bolster their ranks.
What news have you heard?
prime for prime, Hagler is faster than Hopkins......Hopkins is not fast at all........you will notice his losses have come to fighters with "true" speed--------> RJJ and Calzaghe.
there is a good reason he won't fight Dawson. He knows he can't deal with that level of speed.
Haahaha this forum cracks me up. Hagler would DESTROY Hopkins. Roy Jones, Segundo Mercado, Howard Eastman, Jermain Taylor, etc. Hopkins struggles or was average with all of these guys. Hagler would break down and beat down all of them. Hagler was a true warrior. Hopkins would fold from that type of pressure and southpaw attack. Hagler had more power, was way tougher, faster and a better chin. Hearns would starch Hopkins. This place is a joke.
It's not his fault he's built that way, but it still gives him an substantial height and reach advantage over every other WW
Well that's too bad. Either fight the best in your division or come out and say you're ducking people because the risk isn't worth it.
Doesnt matter what he is 30 days out , depends on what he had to do to get where he is and how far away from the point it cuts into him which could be 154 , your throwing numbers on face value , not what the fighter really is in relation to the number ,, .
I don't know what that was supposed to say, and I'm not being a prick. Most MW's weigh over 170 at the beginning of the week of the fight. Not 2 lbs over (or 5) 30 days prior to.
same paul williams who got exposed by carlos quintana
Yeah exposed so badly that he knocked out Quintana in the rematch and hasn't lost since. Are all of your 10,000 posts that stupid? Get some fresh air man. My goodness. That post count is hilarious.
he might be able to make weight, but at what cost? he's older now and it's harder for his body to not only make weight but be effective. with williams body type he doesn't have much to spare in dropping weight, unless he takes a daily colonix during his training camp, ha, seriously though, if he's sucking water weight and really drying out to make welter, he's gonna get knocked down and maybe out. punches will have a more damaging effect on him with being dried out.
i don't think welter is the best place for williams anymore.
I don't know what experience you have with cutting weight, but a lot of guys cut 15 lbs or more within three or four days of the fight. He is 15 lbs away from WW with a month before his fight. He would make it easily and comfortably. He and his trainer said WW is his best weight.
Nes NY it was an obvious typo
Check Hook I'm not saying Floyd was too big for anyone. I'm saying Paul weighs within 5-10 lbs of all these guys and he is definitely NOT a MW if he is weighing 162 a month out. He's not even a JMW. He's a WW. Cotto, Margarito, Clottey, they all weigh much more than that.
+1
I'd estimate Floyd walks around at 160lbs at this point naturally.
getting to 147 is child's play for him and puts little to no strain on his central nervous and immune systems.
Exactly. Same thing with Paul, that's why he weighed 145 so many times.
Paul really doesn't have any business at WW. Nobody wants to fight him there because he's too big. The best thing I feel he should do is stay at 154-160 and start dominating around there if he gets past Sergio. Rule those divisions so he can make a case for being "the man" there. Thats his best shot at getting a megafight with Floyd or Pac even if it highly unlikely. Even if Pac beats Marg, if Paul dominates everybody else in the division he can at least say "pac or Floyd didn't fight the man yet at 154."
Also has a hell of a lot more exciting match up's at JR & regular middleweight.
MW isn't his weight though. He should be at WW and JMW. If guys won't fight him it's up to his promoters and HBO to handle that.
Well P4P really means nothing though.
That is not divisional rankings.
Like you mentioned ESPN. and I think that ESPN has Moreno at #5 or not even at the top 5 at bantamweight and that to me is more laughable since it is a divisional(Which should be about facts) ranking compared to a mythical opinion based ranking.
Do you not agree?
I tried finding the rankings for back then. Couldn't. I know everyone had it Floyd, Paul and Cotto at the top 3. Agree to disagree, cool. Bottom line is Paul would have ran through Cotto.
Again HBO didn't want P-Will-Kolle either and it still happened.
I am sorry a third fight with Quintana>Kolle
But, whatever the point is Cotto never ducked P-Will. The timing was just never right for them to fight. People just don't consider the timeline at the time.
I think should finally be very possible next year.
Cotto ducked him twice!!!! Quintana wasn't ready for the Versus date he just got starched and was on AC suspension!!!!
If Williams were to beat Martinez for the Middleweight title and stay put in that division and Pacquiao moved up to try to fight for a ninth divisional title I would rip Pac for not fighting him if Pac went after some random belt holder because it's a safer fight. Regardless if Paul loses to Martinez like I think he may do, Pac shouldn't even waste his time with him. He has to beat Martinez to even be in the conversation and he hasn't done that yet other than the first time by the skin of his teeth.
Yeah because Clottey and Margarito were on huge win streaks when Manny fought them.
Bob Arum-"It wouldn't be a good fight"
Translation- it would be a total mismatch in P-Will favor.
Well then Pacquiao shouldn't be fighting in those divisions.
On FNF with Brian Kenny, back when Cotto had a WW strap he said he didn't want to fight Williams. That he preferred Margarito because of Antonio's style. This was after the Gomez fight. Kenny asked him what he thought of Paul calling him out. So haters, shut up. Cotto wouldn't last 5 rounds vs Paul.
Keep hating after Williams KO's Martinez.
No he was not, he was suppose to fight Margarito. Since Margarito was the highers rank WW not named Floyd. But, when Margarito lost, Cotto chose a higher rank fighter than P-Will, a bigger money fight than P-Will, A bigger name than P-Will in Shane Mosley.
HBO didn't want P-Will -Kolle either and it didn't stop them for making that fight. So again he should of Quintana for a third time.
I don't care how it looked it in the rematch Quintana>Kolle Period.
Man. The HBO date was the date he fought VERNO. The Kolle fight was a Versus date to keep Paul ACTIVE in between HBO dates. Kolle was NEVER an option for HBO. Mosley was not ranked ahead of Paul by ANYBODY in boxing other than the corrupt ring rankings if that's true.
No one knows the rankings by heart from 3-4 years ago.
I need to see a link to some rankings because Cotto couldve fought Williams. He just chose to fight other people instead.
I know for sure Paul was ranked ahead of Mosley after beating Margarito.
I did mine and maybe you should.
Well maybe we going by different rankings. What rankings are you going by that P-Will was rank ahead of Shane as in late 2007?
Well if he did wanted to fight why did P-Will get stripped? If anything they would of had a new mandatory. But, P-Will thought Jennings was a big enough name and just want to fight bigger names so he decided other weight-classes.
No, Cotto wasn't his mandatory. After Quintana the mandatory position was vacant. I felt he should of fought Quintana a third time around this time. However, Jennings became the Mandatory and Cotto was ranked #2 or #3 by the WBO I can't remember.
Jennings was the mandatory, and when he ducked the Verno Phillips HBO date, they turned to #2 Cotto, who also ducked Paul. Instead of waiting the 6 months to find another mandatory they fought Verno at 154 to keep the HBO date and the WBO stripped him. NO welterweight would step up to the plate. Mosley was not ranked ahead of Paul after the Margarito win, anywhere that I ever saw, especially because of a win over Collazo. Paul was a champ with a win over Margarito. Mosley lost to Winky twice, had no strap, and only beat Collazo.
A rubber match and it was 1-1. And, he was looking for a WW to fight and he woudln't have been stripped for his title.
I think that were enough reason. Especially since he fought Andy Kolle at MW.
Call me crazy but I think a third fight with Quintana even after being destroyed is more credible than Andy Kolle at MW. Do you not agree?
However, I do get trying to test the waters at MW. I really do understand the point. However, the Quintana option to me was more viable for his WW career. Just my opinion.
??? He took the Kolle fight in between his HBO dates. It was on Versus. HBO didn't want another Quintana fight after Paul starched him in a minute so they took on Verno for the 154 WBO title. Because Cotto and Jennings ducked him.
Wheres your proof???????:stupid::greddy2:
Watching the show you fool. And in response to your garbage post above that, let's set some facts.
Mosley had NO belt. Williams did. Williams was regarded as the best WW after beating Margarito.
Cotto ******* out as a WBO mandatory to Paul, fighting a guy Paul already beat. Then Jennings became mandatory and pussied out. So Williams was forced to leave the weight class because nobody would fight him. Cotto and Jennings swapped thongs and fought for Paul's belt AFTER he left.
The Ring? Their rankings were influenced by GB even before the sale. How could Mosley be ranked ahead of a champion that beat #2 Margarito (behind Floyd)? Doesn't even make sense. Cotto became the mandatory after Jennings ducked. Cotto did too. WBO had no fighter to fight Paul that would keep his HBO date so he took on Verno.