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Moreover, Canelo is hardly a pressure fighter. In fact, the big worry with him is his low work rate, as witnessed in the Trout fight that a lot of folks ringside thought was closer than judged. I personally think Canelo won, but it still stands that he's no Paul Williams, not even close. With the catchweight and Floyd's sharp counters, I doubt Canelo can keep up any amount of pressure that will make Floyd uncomfortable. Most expected a similar game plan from Guerrero, but the simple fact is that Floyd adjusts and deters. A lot of idiots complained that Guerrero didn't stick with his game plan but few do when they're getting hit with sharp counters - not powerful counters, but still ones that make you second guess yourself. Good observation. This is in fact the reason why I believe Floyd chose to fight Canelo. Canelo is not the typical face first, high work rate, iron stamina, Mexican pressure fighter. He tries to box more within mid distance than pressure up close, he does not have good stamina and has a low work rate. Floyd saw many flaws in Canelo in the Trout fight as many other observers did. If Canelo fights according to his style, Floyd would would outbox him easily. Canelo is going to have to get out of his comfort zone and be the fighter he's not. His success will be to pressure Floyd behind a jab and use his weight and power advantage. Yet, if he does, he exposes himself to tiring out. So Canelo has two options. He either tries to box Mayweather behind the jab at mid distance and become a sitting duck to Floyd's accurate counter punches or he closes the distance and uses his weight and power punching advantage but risks getting tired. Either way Floyd has already figured him out. Canelo definitely has a punchers chance but other than that he hasn't shown me anything that I could say could cause Floyd problems. If and only if, with his current talent Canelo was a face first, high work rate, iron stamina pressure fighter. I would say Floyd was in a world of trouble but Canelo is not that type of fighter.

rigo may be slightly better than chemito but not by much I felt like not reading your post after this comment. But I really need you to explain how in the WORLD Chemito is a better boxer than Rigondeaux. Were talking here about the best amateur fighter of all time PERIOD, I would dare to say better than his countryman Teofilo Stevenson. A two time Gold Medalist and Amateur World Champion with a mean streak of fights without losing. The guy was hardly ever defeated in amateur competition, and schooled many boxers who've become World Champions including Mares, Juanma, Jhonathan Romero, Jhonny Perez and Mendez (IBF Jr. Lightweight Champ) among the ones I could recall. Chemito barely kept his titles against Nehomar Cermeno, another amateur victim of El Chacal. I'm sorry to say but Chemito's boxing ability is not even close to that of Guillermo.

If that were the case Jhonny would have been done years ago, and he still pulled an upset like the one last night. Mares will certainly bounce back, but needs to better that weak defense of his. He's now in a division were his chin can't hold up as it did in 118. That's if he steps in one day against the likes of Micky Garcia (@ 130), Donaire or even Rigondeaux.

Anybody any given day could get caught the way Mares was caught specially when you don't cover yourself as well as he does. Losing in the first round doesn't mean much compared to getting out boxed or being beat for several rounds. One round doesn't really determine what would have been the end result of the fight. Yet Jhonny won in the best way possible and rightfully deserves the recognition. For Mares this should be learning experience. He either was too confident, too proud or plain dumb to not hold when he could've. For sure next time he goes through the same problem, he may or should be smart enough to hold. I would like to point out the class shown by both fighters at the end. Specially the post fight comment by Mares "I'm not in boxing to retire undefeated but to fight the best". May this be a fact and not words unlike those who claim to be the best without fighting the best at given moments.

Yes. Mexican and Central American fans are some of the most classless and brutal fans in international football, especially when the visiting team is the US team. European fans are far worst specially against Colored players.

Hell when De La Hoya was fighting those guys at WW Floyd was still at 130/135. You couldn't get the GOOD fighters at that weight to take a fight against him. You can't knock him for that. I've been a fan of this sport for years. There is something I have disliked about boxing and it's fighters who have claimed in a certain time to be the best without fighting the best. I would agree that Floyd talent wise is going to be or should be recognize as one of the greatest talents. Unfortunately, his resume does not warrant the recognition that he is seeking, and when compared to many of the all time greats, it falls short and it's not even near an ATG level. Some will point out that Floyd didn't have options, such as your claim. But it doesn't take too much time to do a little research and see who were the other champions when Floyd was at 130/135. Luckily I didn't have to, because I could recall how Super Featherweight / Jr. Lightweight was one of the hottest divisions back when Floyd was the WBC champion. All of the champions were young and undefeated. Besides Floyd, there was Diego Corrales (IBF), Joel Casamayor (WBA) and Acelino Freitas (WBO). All undefeated, all willing and able to face each other and in fact they did. The great exception being Floyd. Now out of all of them, Floyd did face Corrales. But when did Floyd face Corrales? When Corrales was sentenced to go to jail for domestic violence. I still remember Floyd calling Diego a wife beater throughout their press conferences. And how boxing analyst were talking that Corrales may not be 100 percent because of the legal and domestic problems he was facing. Floyd went on to give the performance of his life, and Corrales problems were long forgotten. The Corrales fight, was the blueprint that Floyd would follow later in his career. Take on a fighter with a mental, physical, contractual or economic advantage. Floyd has never taken a fight on equal terms. The great exception being the only fight Floyd had a hard time. The first Jose Luis Castillo fight. Those who really know about boxing, not a groupie but a real fan of the sport, knows that Floyd lost that fight. And if it wasn't for Arum's protection Floyd's 0 would have been long gone. Yes, Floyd did come back and outboxed Castillo's ears off in the rematch, but it doesn't take away that he was beaten in the first fight. After the "Great Castillo Scare". Floyd would never take a risk and embark on the cherry picking route to stardom. And as one poster said, a past his prime DLH made him a Superstar and a C+ welterweight in Hatton cemented his status. History cannot be ignored. Do the research for yourself. Their is a saying boxing that your as good as your last fight. Floyd's been living under that signature. It's now wonder he never reached out to fight the best challenges available when he had the chance. I have to quote Abner Mares on his recent lost "I'm not in boxing to retire undefeated, I'm in boxing to fight the best". That is the mentality that every fighter should have who wants to be known as an all time great and the one that every fan should demand from a champion.

I don't think GGG or Quillin have an advantage over the other in regards to opposition. They both have fought their fare share of above average opponents. The difference that stands out between them is that while GGG has looked like very impressive and seems to have the tools of becoming a superstar, Quillin has overall, looked decent but nothing special or out of the ordinary. Now I don't believe that both are at star level yet, but GGG is gaining more attention, has look more dominant against equal quality opposition and seems to be going in fast track for stardom. 1.1 million views in his last fight are very good numbers. Plus, GGG has HBO, and HBO is putting money behind him. Showtime is trying to compete but they are still not in HBO's level when it comes to developing superstars. By next year we'll be hearing big things for GGG while Quillin will still be fighting in undercards.

Another alt with the same ole same ole lies and exagerrations. It's rather funny that the only thing you have to say is that I'm another alt with the same ole lies and exaggerations. Well I used to have another nick (Mr. Planas) but wanted to change it and couldn't still trying to maintain my history. I have nothing to hide. I speak with facts, yet you do not provide any evidence to counter my claims. You just attack the poster without refuting the actual message. It's a fact, Corrales, Casamayor and Freitas were all undefeated champions in the same weight class as Floyd. And yes they all fought each other with Floyd only choosing to fight Corrales. It's a fact that Floyd fought Corrales in the midst of Corrales facing a jail sentence for domestic violence abuse. It's a fact that the ringside consensus was that Castillo beat Floyd in the first fight. It's a fact that after the Castillo scare Floyd went on the cherry picking road and fought from 2003 to 2005. Sosa, Ndou, Corley and Bruseles. It's a fact that Floyd wisely chose to fight next the popular but limited Arturo Gatti. Didn't seek to fight the other young 140 champions. (Even if Floyd would have beat them, they were better then the next fighters Floyd fought, with the exception of Judah who is maybe debatable, if compared to 140 title holders Hatton or Harris, no question Cotto would have beaten them). After Gatti, Floyd continued his cherry picking ways and fought Mitchell, Judah (Who was at the time previously defeated) and Baldomir (the other weakest champ). There is a video of Brian Kenny who back then worked in ESPN Friday Night Fights questioning Floyd about picking Baldomir with Floyd countering with his typical response "You don't know notin bout boxing". After Baldomir, Floyd's villain image and the Gatti beat down had cause enough stir to lure the Golden Boy into the fight that catapulted him to mainstream media. Floyd followed up with the biggest welterweight threat (sarcasm) called Ricky Hatton (who badly struggled at 147) and the rest is history. Undoubtedly, facts are facts... Even if you don't want to admit them.

I agree with the power and yes Matthysse can win if he catches Garcia., for me Garcia has perfect timing and decent power himself and the longer the fight goes on the better it is for Garcia so I am looking forward to this one, but I'm rooting for the underdog in this one. 2 massive fights on the night for true boxing fans. I believe it was Garcia who was fading towards the end of the fight with an over the hill but spirited Judah. If Garcia does in fact keep Matthysse off balance at the expense of having to move and throw more and yet having to endure Lucas pressure throughout 12 rounds. I think the fight would benefit Lucas in the long run. Lucas used to be a notoriously slow starter and would turn on the heat has the fight progressed. The fact that he has ended his fights faster than he used too does not take away that he showed great stamina in his two controversial loses against Judah and Alexander.

I'm not sure if it will ever happen but Floyd needs a good humbling and to be brought back down to earth. His narcissism is over the top. Wayyyyyy over the top. I would love to see him being humbled like Tarver did to Roy Jones.

You have facts in there like who Floyd fought, but there is a lot of opinion in relation to level and how things went down~ What about the Brian Kenny interview where he dogged Floyd for not fighting Baldomir~ Also point of fact Vivian Harris lost the night Floyd beat Gatti to Maussa, so if Floyd fought Harris after Gatti I can clearly see what you would say. Also you make a big deal out of 7 pounds are you serious if Hatton was a legit fight at 140 he was at 147 as Floyd is not a big welter and he would have held the exact same advantages at 140 as 147 unless that weight makes him shrink. Plus you act like Frietas and Corrales were breaking down doors to fight Floyd, let me give you a hint fighters didn't want to see Floyd at a point in his career~ So all in all a terrible assessment. The 147 Hatton seems to be a big deal considering the results of his fights at 140 vs 147. Personally I was never too high on Ricky Hatton, he made a career fighting hand pick opponents in England, before luring an old Kostya Tyszu and becoming a star in the sport. At 147 Hatton was just terrible, I certainly can't explain why Hatton looked so bad but I will agree with you that a fight with Floyd at 140 or 147 wouldn't have changed the end result. The reason I call out the Hatton situation is that Floyd accepted the fight with so many other options around. Paul Williams had challenged him, Margarito was challenging him, even the Cotto camp had shown some interest. Yet when Hatton challenged him he quickly accepted the easiest task. And left to retire becuase 147 was getting hot. There were a lot of challenges looming and Floyd prefered to see them all fight beat each other without risking of having to be in the mix. That's why many of us criticize Floyd. Same thing occurred in 130. Corrales wanted the Floyd fight and even Casamayor. Corrales got the fight when he was in legal problems. At 135 Floyd fought the best available. I give him props for it. But it was the last hard challenge he would face. At 140 Harris who was deemed the most avoided, was calling him out and it's true that he didn't end up being the world beater he claimed to be but I call out Floyd because it was Floyd always claiming to be the best not the others (Cotto or Hatton). On the Baldomir and Judah issue, I would have to say the the biggest threat to all those champions at that time was Margarito. Yes, many could say whatever they want about him but Margarito would have been physically a challenge for Floyd. He was a big welterweight, tall, high workrate, iron stamina, tough chin, and a decent puncher (plaster or not). Same thing could be said later on of Paul Williams for similar reasons. In the end, Floyd may have ended up winning these challenges but we will never know for sure because Floyd wasn't up to the task. When a fighter vies so much for recognition as Floyd does, a fighter can't just sit back and wait to be challenged and down size riskier opponents like he used to do. He should be able to seek the best possible opponents or even say we wants to make them happen. That was never the case with Floyd. With the exception of Mosley (who back then preferred to fight DLH) and of course the Golden Boy (For fame and money). Besides those cases, he preferred to be challenged and pick his battles. And for that, his legacy unlike his talent will always be questioned.