The guy has ducked the main challenger openly for years, and robbed us of the biggest fight in history.
There's never been any situation which even closely rivals it.
"Chicken" is a mild understatement.
Disgusting cowardice is how I'd put it.
Floyd should be stripped of all his titles, they should be handed to Pac by default, and Floyd's boxing licence should be suspended.
That is a fact!
- The Klitschko era is right up there with or is, the strongest era beyond any doubt.
- Klitschko dominates like no other before him the strongest era.
-Either Klitschko would have also dominated in the 90's too.
Everybody knows it! It's a no-brainer!
These threads are simply bad sportsmanship!
You have yourself a trinket, enjoy it while it lasts!
And you get your ass booted back out of HW again :lol1:
WK KO Ali in 1-3 under any circumstances.
Ali would never land a meaningful punch on Wlaidmir and might even drop from a jab..
Nothing in the performance of Ali or any of his bummy cruiser opponents leads to the conclusion that Ali could ever even have stepped into the same ring as Klitschko, let alone compete with him.
If Wladimir ever staged a title defence against Ali the fans would be disgusted that he once again cherry picked such a piss weak opponent who could barely even box and be outraged.
Ali would be the weakest opponent that Wladimir ever faced! That is a fact!
Lennox shot his mouth off all the time...
I find it amusing personally but he was full of himself. He bit off more than he could chew, he knew it, and packed it in.
Wtf is so hard about admitting that? His legacy is still all there, you just have to call the VK fight for what it was, extremely lucky.
You can credit LL the win but you cannot credit LL as better than VK on that performance. That's the truth.
I am a Klitschko fan.
A cut caused by a punch is a legitimate stoppage.
Vitali's cuts were caused by several punches and thus Lewis won by TKO.
It does no matter if Vitali was up 4-2 on all 3 cards.
That being said.. It was a controversial win.
And the right thing to do when you win in controversial fashion is grant an immediate rematch. ( See Froch Groves, Mayweather Castillio as fine examples)
What Lewis did was act like cutting Vitali was his plan all along and that he had nothing to prove.
For that I lost most of my respect for Lennox and to many it tarnished his legacy.
Lewis's attitude immediately after the fight and up to his retirement always confounded me and it bothered me to think Lewis was chicken especially after he needed to prove McCall and Rahman were "flukes".
Vitali for his part chased Lewis very publicly for years for a rematch.
THIS^
LL -I'm not going near VK until I can be sure about his eye..
VK - My doctor cleared my eye several weeks ago. Lewis is ducking me now!
No he is the best of this era but there have been many era's and many dominant champions. This era is the one of the weakest eras in history.
Maybe he can break the top ten in time.
Well aside from weakest in history rubbish which I wont entertain again,
there has actually never been a champion as dominant as Klitschko ever in history.
Ok, so you can point to Marciano, sure. But then again that probably WAS among the weakest eras in history :lol1:
What the...? No, Frazier was NOT overrated. He was both tough AND highly skilled. What the heck kind of mess is that?
Put head down, blind left hook, repeat.
No chin, no power, 205lbs, chubby, half blind, 5'10", no other credible wins other than against an overrated Ali in a clinch fest.
Frazier possibly the most overrated boxer of all time.
In fact the ONLY reason Frazier is famous at all is because of Ali (and getting destroyed by Foreman) and still being praised today to "maintain the fame" of the 70's HW's.
What happened to him against Foreman is basically what would happen to Frazier against any hard hitting and strong HW from the 90's, 00's and 10's.
Sorry champ. This one just doesn't cut the mustard.
Apparently Marcianos and Joe Louis eras were rife with talent that would just storm this heavyweight division right now and clean it out :rofl:
The division in the 60's all the way to the 90's are one of the most overrated, hyped stories to this very day.
If their was no Yank in the limelight you can bet your sweet ass that they'd have been saying the same thing they're saying right now
"Oh it weak, I base this off of absolutely nothing."
:lol1: Seems to be a long running joke around here.
I would confidently bet a few hung on the modern guy doing "random select" of opponents haha
I dont think so. I dont think he would of faired that well in the 90's era of heavyweights.
Wladimir wold have belted up most of the 90's HW's just the same as his own opponents. They were even a bit smaller (just saying) and didn't have any more spectacular records really.
That was a very tough era and they were good opponents too. But prime Wladimir is above their level.
Holyfield was too small to beat WK I reckon and not that hard to hit. Tyson could have gotten Wlad in the opening rounds, that definitely might have happened. Lennox could have beaten him. Other than that who else would put a stop to Wlad? Or Vitali for that matter?
Guys don't want to admit it, I loved the 90's too, it was my favourite era. But most of the reasoning for 90's over 00's/10's is based on the fact it was a Western dominated era and now it definitely isn't.
Many hard hitting 90's boxers would have stood great punchers chance against Wlad as did his own opponents too, there'd be probably an upset or 2 just the same. That's true!
Sam peters almost knocked him out as well, emanuelle got him and turned him totally around for the best..wlad now hits and holds.. i dont think that would be good enough to beat the heavyweights of the 90's especially with the style he implements now.. it sure sure is good enough to beat the hws of today doe. I think vitali is a better fighter imo
It's true, Emanuel perfected his safety first style. Except BEFORE that he was a virtually unstoppable machine, losing only once by way of gas out when he'd never even been in those rounds before cause he was far more aggressive and used to destroy his opponents.
That guy would have destroyed most of the 90's HW's too but was more susceptible to being belted back.
The post Steward version was a more protracted and protective fighter but one almost assured to chip away at the 90's HW's with less risk.
The 00's/10's boxers and the 90's ones are almost entirely comparable in ability.
Vladimir is among the 5 greatest heavyweights of all time.
Resurfacing one of these Wladimir hate threads again ey? Haven't seen this subject for a while now :) Good times haha
And Laced Up the main culprit too, shame!
"No strong opposition"
Simply because he is much better than most of his opponents doesn't mean they are weak opponents, it means Wlad is especially good to be able to beat them so easily.
And on the contrary, just because past historical boxers fought tough fights with many opponents does not make those quality opponents. It can just mean that (as I believe) that they were not so much better than those opponents.
In fact, as has been argued time and again, Wladimir's opponents would have steamrolled most past greats opponents.
In fact I'd rate Wladimir's resume of opposition as being among the very best. Only a small handful of boxers fought arguably better and not necessarily.
Lennox Lewis & Vitali Klitschko beat similar.
Holyfield had good too but he lost quite a few at HW.
Others fought close but smaller and not as good over all like Holmes, Tyson, Foreman (whole career) etc.
Beyond that I say nobody prior compares to WK's resume.
And that's including bloody Ali and Louis who'se opponents stand as the most overrated in history. One could only imagine what Haye would do to Norton, or Peter would do to Frazier.
Only thing I give to Mr. Laced Up here is the guy who claimed Wlad is a better lb for lber than Mayweather, or even a lb for lber at all is a lunatic!
Doesn't really change it was his 6th fight at heavyweight, he was a cruiserweight, fought as a cruiserweight, will be remembered as a cruiserweight and could still, by own admission, make the cruiserweight limit.
Yeah, Chris byrd, the former amateur 141 pounder , is a true heavyweight :lol1:
Are you a little bit slow tonight mate?
I'll break it down a bit for ya.
Most of Louis and all of Rocky's decent opponents were well below 200lbs, which according to one of your delusional mates on another thread today tried to claim were real HW's.
And here I have to point out that when Byrd and Haye fought Wlad and other opponents of his division, they were real 200+ HW's fighting real HW's.
Who gives a **** if Haye fought as a CW and Byrd as a SMW. They stepped up to HW. 6 fights? Yeah after one of the most stellar CW careers of all time, and then started whackin heavies around, before being beaten by Wlad pretty soundly. Sounds like a good win to me!
I suppose by your theory, Evander Holyfield was not a HW either then, cause half his career was at CW?
prime tyson was more dominant didnt take him so many years to clean the division.
he took them out in more devastating fashion
like merchant said about mike being predictable
so is a hurricane but you still cant do anything about it
Hmm, yeah I know what your saying, if you focus on his first career alone maybe. And he definitely took out in more devastating fashion too.
Wlad's career has been one of extended and complete dominance though throughout. There is no boxer with that many HW fights with as few losses either.
So guess it's what you call dominant. But good call on that one!! :)
If we gauge it on notoriety as well then Mike is the man, nobody anywhere will ever forget Tyson.
Nice Merchant quote too!!
No, not on paper, but he is up there on skill or better yet ABILITY to dominate opponents like only a few can.
And if you take away the affirmative action for smaller fighters (I.E. lower weight divisions), he would be the King of em' all. Not only can he beat the biggest guys in his weight and height, but he'd steamroll over the manlets like Mayweather and Pacquiao.
Sidenote: I'd be rooting for Hopkins if he were to face him but there is just no way.
Manny and Floyd? Hopkins?
What are you some sort of simpleton? What's wrong with you ppl? :lol1:
..........at what?.........................boxing? All Time? Seriously! ...not even close
I don't know exactly where he stacks up and I really don't care, he is NOT an ATG boxer but he is the dominate heavy of his era and he certainly deserves credit for that.
When you look at form and style and over all skills he's crude and slow and is a one dimensional guy who used to give a good effort however now he's in survival mode. Like Mayweather their done but continue to hand pick opponents that they know won't bring all they have every round.
At this stage of their careers they are a detriment to the sport!! Retire please
you've earned a lot of money but your killing the sport.
Ray.
Sour grapes laced with bull****!
Wladimir is as fast as you can possibly get for a man his size and has almost perfect form as a boxer.
That he is an ATG at all is beyond any doubt. That one statement right there should discredit any further thing you ever say on this forum and really should get you deleted for trolling!
Wladimir completely revolutionised HW boxing, proving many tactics unnecessary to win and completely useless in the case of his opponents.
He has faced the most diverse range of opponents of any boxer who have tried everything there is to try and to no avail.
Complete stylistic shutdown and perfected minimalist style. Nobody else has quite encapsulated that analogy like Klitschko.
Facts.
OK i'll break it down for you then, they were heavyweights at the time they fought. 175lbs and above was considered heavyweights. Just because they decided to make a new weightclass doesn't take away from their resume. It's only your twisted mind that thinks so.
Louis fought guys 180lbs and guys who were 250lbs.
Once again, if they made a 230 heavyweight limit and a super heavy limit for the above 230lbs, you'd wipe out 90% of Wlad's and Vitali's resume and then I could sit here and say they hardly ever fought any heavyweights :lol1:
That's so retarded.
And I never said they weren't good wins, I'm just saying they weren't real heavyweights. Or should I put up Vitali's video from the weigh in: "Haye is not real heavyweight" ?
Byrd fought as a lightwelterweight - that's what I said. He used to be freaking 141 lbs. He ate his way to 210.
Evander Holyfield was always considered a small guy, a small heavyweight and not a true heavyweight when he fought - so why should that change now?
He only moved up to heavy for the money - you would know that if you followed boxing at the time, which you didn't obviously.
But he'll be remembered as a heavyweight because that's where he had his most memorable fights.
Anyways, I'm not going to respond to your boring, same shyt trolling.
This entire response LAced Up contained only 1 principle of yours to answer to that in any way detracts from what I said.
That those sub200 opponents of past greats were real HW's because the definition of a HW was less than 200lbs then as well.
That's fine. They were HW's back then. But compared to the modern definition, which is the definition we apply when comparing to modern HW's today, they were less than 200 and thus, not HW's.
On the contrary, it is extremely retarded to consider them HW's today.
And when the limit changes the records of all the opponents on previous classes have to be adjusted to the new definitions when making an up to date comparison. Same as we adjust monetary values when considering inflation comparing to prices in the past. And even the example of Holyfield you gave yourself.
Louis's resume would be mostly a Cruiserweight resume today and partially a HW one. David Haye's resume would be a total 30+ fight HW resume back then with only 2 losses.
That's just how it is.
But according to you, Louis is a real HW and Haye is not.
Even though Haye is twice the size of Louis.
Remarkable logic. Truly remarkable.
You dunce! :lol1:
I just dont see that...lewis would of beat him, bowe,foreman, douglas who fought tyson maybe even holyfield a prime one at that...to me i think wlad would have had hard times with guys like golota, morrison, shultz, moorer to be honest he would win these fights but would be tossups against the first group of fighters i mentioned... anybody ever hear of henry akinwande??
Wont argue against Lewis.
Bowe got pasted 2ce by the only good puncher he fought and struggled badly with diminutive Holyfield. Neither of which were as powerful, rangey or as skilled as Wlad. Wlad is too technically sound to let Bowe get to him.
Foreman got totally pasted by joke HW Moorer who only lost to him through luck, stupidity and glass. He also struggled with practically every HW including C grade opponents. He wouldn't win a single round and would probably be stopped. Douglas would be pasted easily, wouldn't win a round. The best Holyfield could do is how he did against Lewis. The other opponents were good fighters and hard punchers too but they were again, not on the sort of level where we would want to bet on them.
Really? If I'm not mistaken Wlad's best two wins were against cruiserweights.
Why do you even bother to come up with this obvious rubbish Laced Up?
Your slipping badly lately bro.
I reckon Haye was a very lean 210lbs was he not?
And Chris Byrd something like 215.
YOUR champions fought opponents that ACTUALLY would struggle to carry Wladimir's jockstrap ahaha =P
That guy would stroke Wlad's salami even harder than you.
Well good cause he can have it. The only thing I'm stroking is a ***** stuffed full of common sense my man.
You and that guy aren't making a hell of a lot of it.
Obviously, boxing is a highly professionalised sport, UFC is not.
I don't think even the future will change the primacy of boxing.
There's something more classy about punching each other than rubbing up on each other.
And I tell you one thing, it takes a lot more skills and athletic excellence to learn how to slip punches and deliver your own shots back etc, than it take to roll around on the ****ing floor!
:lol1:
The USA has now been completely ran out of boxing. It's basically been getting the boot for the last 10 years.
Ward sensed danger, stuck his head in the sand. We'll never see him again.
Floyd is only a paper champion now, everyone know who the real champion is.
Golovkin, Kovalev and Klitschko sit on thrones overlooking their subjects.
It's clear.
Europe is the present and the future.
Trained stringently from the moment they can walk using the most advanced techniques, how can that be beat?
Rap music and street crime by comparison just isn't adequate preparation for elite boxing these days ;)
Who would have thought! :lol1:
Football is king in America.
Boxing ranks below Baseball (which rules my household) and Basketball. Maybe even Hockey.
Its a niche sport
Oh :lol1: yeah, right..
The boxing champions have always been the signature of American superiority and arrogance in the sports world since the days of Jack friggin Dempsey atleast!
And now suddenly, boxing is just a little fringe sport that nobody cares about in America anymore, that's why ey! Boxing is always going to be a "fringe" sport compared to those others regardless because it is so tough that hardly anybody wants to do it and only few that do can. But the prestige associated with "Champion of the World" in it was always of highest significance to Americans.
For 150 years, the flag of the sport was firmly planted on home soil until, now, every division middleweight and north has been ripped up and replanted on the other side of the world. Lower divisions are also only nominally in the hands of US control, through cowardly ducking antics.
It's clear.
Beaten out of boxing! Fact!
You bout to get run out of this forum.
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Are you admitting you are a snitch? :sad2:
Wilder holds a paper title, has not yet been tested at the highest level (the EUROPEAN LEVEL that is).
Floyd Mayweather totally refuses to fight the best fighters of his era and is a paper champion only.
Andre Ward doesn't even fight, skills would have badly eroded and is nothing but a quick KO for Kovalev and Golovkin anyway.
It's clear.
Totally run out of boxing.
This football/basketball thing is a joke...
If Russia SUDDENLY became interested in Basketball or Gridiron, te US would instantly be dethroned and everybody knows it! :lol1:
Its been happening in the other sports like tennis Golf, American pool, etc. But nothing is as scary as the decline of American boxing. With no Heavy weight champions since 1996, and no Medals(not one) in the 2012 Olympics, If any American cannot see the long term decline of Boxing in their country then they are kidding themselves.
I have always said Broner was a fraud, and he is on the list of Ameericans not only losing but being ran out of boxing. So ill compile a list in the recent years. Your best fighters are Floyd, Ward, Hopkins, and Bradley with Garcia a close 4th. Floyds is 37 soon and has 4 fights left which we all know he wont be able to honour and WILL LOSE. Hopkins is sandwiched between Adonis Stevenson and Sergey Kovalev at age 48. Lets be honest, hes either retiring or hes out of there. And Timothy Bradley hasn't won his last 3 fights. He got beat down by many pac, and Horrible beat down by RUslan and a draw against Marquez. Its only a matter of time before he gets schooled by khan or Garcia(Also an American). Mattyse could also school him imo.
Here s alist of "propsects" and active High profile American fighters getting ran out of boxing.
Seth Mitchell
ANdre dirrell
Curtis stevens
Danny Jacobs
Alan green
Adrian Broner
Kelly pavlik
eddie chambers
kevin Mitchel
Tony Thompson(like this dude, great fighter)
Chad Dawson
Malik scott
Joey Abel
Kevin Johnson.
Cedric Agnew
Timothy bradley
Brandon Gonzales
Andre Dirrel
John jackson
Gary russell Jnr
shaun porter
J'leon love
Predicted ticking time bomb additions-Deontay Wilder, hopkins and quillin...
Stay tuned
Yeah America still has champion fighters in the lower divisions but pretty much the top half of the sport has been taken over now.
Lazy Americans :lol1:
#WhitePower
:lol1: Were there to be a shining example of a great black fighter who wasn't a complete wanker or shameless ducker right now.. He'd have respect.
It's the shameful nationalist attitude of US fans, not racially specific, that deserves to be belted out.
Louis defended the undisputed championship. Wlad would need to unify and then defend it 20 times to compare.
What did I tell you all?
Exhibit A.
There's regular OTNB's
And then there's the "Nut Bag Elite" :lol1:
My god really? First all the 70s guys could wipe the floor with the Klitschkos, now lil still-figuring-out-how-this-boxing-thing-works-era Joe Louis?
Who is the next guy who could easily beat the Klitschkos? Willie Pep?
Either Klitschko would line up every single boxer from the beginning of boxing through to the 1980's and knock every single one of them out.
About the only thing I can say is that LITTLE George Foreman would have a punchers chance like Leapai did but about as much of a chance too.
And anybody who thinks otherwise is a ****ing lunatic! :lol1:
They just need to ask yourself, if Wladimir Klitschko staged a fight against Max Schmelling, or PRimo Carnera, or Joe Roman, or Karl Mildenberger, or Alfredo Evangelista, they would be screaming blue murder how Wladimir choose to defend against a bummy, loser opponent of such tiny size.
They cried blue murder when WK defended against Mormeck! Who was more athletic and skilled than any 70's or prior HW and only 1lb less than prime Foreman! :lol1: