It didn't sound like Teddy believed that pick at all. They asked who he thought could win and he was talking about how oscar has a shot if he does this and that... but it sounded like he was just trying to sell the fight. Then they put him on the spot and he had to pick oscar.
This was a good article about the sorry marketing being done in boxing these days. The part i pasted was talking about hbo skimping on the undercard.
http://www.boxingscene.com/index.php?m=show&id=8437
With boxing – and this event, in particular, it's never about the sport's future, even though many claim such is contingent upon this event drawing a record-breaking boxing audience. It's always about immediate results. That Richard Schaefer can claim with a straight face that the event justifies skimping on the under card is a flashing neon-lit sign of what's wrong with the sport. Why is it not in the best interest of Golden Boy – and HBO – to showcase the brightest stars of today and tomorrow on the biggest event of the year?
Now thats not cool he wore them in honor of breast cancer awareness month and donated the gloves to charity for breast cancer...Wow get a clue.
I didn't know that. I had thought it was kind of ***-ish myself to be honest. Good stuff though
I liked the letter a lot. You did a great job on it. Its easy to criticize, but notice none of them even gave one specific example of something wrong with it. If you don't agree with the letter don't send it. Those of us that would like to pay tribute really appreciate your efforts buddy. I'll be sending this out with my signature.
Pavlik put on a good show and deserves a little buzz. Bandwagon or not its good to see people excited about a fighter.
It sounds like maybe some people are bitter about their guy losing... as i recall miranda had quite a bandwagon going on this site about a week ago...
Its actually quite likey to be just the opposite. All of the folks who got on board with Miranda because he seemed like the new big thing crossed over to Pavlik when he beat him.
In most cases...double band-wagon jumpers.
That makes sense... guys win fans over with dominating performances like that. If people really thought miranda was great and pavlik could tear him up in that impressive and crowdpleasing style then why shouldn't they be impressed?
I've been wondering where they went too. Unfortunately the last thing I could find from them was one of them posting a link to whatever the last big fight had been at the moment. I want to say it was the hopkins-dawson rematch, but maybe something else. My stomach sunk when I saw it cuz that probably got them in some ****... Hope they come back soon. I can't find another good boxing podcast that doesn't have at least one really douchey host making it hard to enjoy...
Let's just say Paulie isn't shy about sharing opinions on why he's better than everyone else. He did the same to Cotto too.
Did what to Cotto?
What your saying seems to support barlog's ideas about a double standard. If PM is an a-hole it doesn't seem to get much attention. He may not be as over the top as floyd is though... I remember seeing floyd tell brian kenney that floyd could do his job better than he could. PM at least has a little more self control. Still, I think it might be safe to say that white athletes get at least a little more slack.
You know I'm not sure that "Dancing with the Stars" has caused Floyd's "star" to rise very much. I'm gauging his popularity not by mentions on DWTS, but on mentions by Entertainment Tonight. Floyd barely got a mention, and even when he was dumped off the show it didn't make the gossip news. So far he hasn't even touched on the mainstream. Conversely Oscar De La Hoya's recent tranny controversy did make Entertainment Tonight, so it's a bust that De La Hoya is still the only crossover star in North America.
Not to take anything away from Entertainment Tonight, but when did that become the only measurement of mainstream notoriety? With that many people watching the show how can you say his star didn't rise? I admit I'm not an avid follower of dwts, entertainment tonight or gossip columns, but a story about floyd getting kicked off was on yahoo news's most popular stories list and had a direct link on their main page which is like being on the front page of a paper. Also I know I've seen Floyd on Leno and I don't watch those shows either so he's probably been on others. I think his 'star' has definitely been rising. I'd be curious to see what his q(?) score is and how/whether its changed over the past year. Does anyone know a site that lists those?
Doing the google test reveals Pacman as being the bigger star,with Hatton not that far behind Mayweather.And thats on the American google so god knows how much more famous he is in the far -east google search engines.
As for the money issue I think $3 million in his country goes further than $15 million in the US plus Phillippines is not a rich country like the US anyway.
Is the google just test checking who gets more results?
Actually if the question is who has the most crossover appeal I think it would have to be Pac given all of his other ventures.. rapping, acting, politics, etc.
The answer is different for different markets, but if you're looking at who has appealed to the most people who normally wouldn't follow boxing and you look at it numerically then I think its clear.
I think Holyfield and DeLaHoya have more crossover appeal (as supported by Dios's data) in America than Mayweather, but he's probably third and as those two fade out of the scene Mayweather is likely to be the guy.
Talk a bunch of shit about how he was going to literally kill Cotto. I think we all know the end result of that.
that seems a little more thuggish than 'vicky fatton'
Flaming aside here, can someone name some cocky white athletes who were hated on for that type of stuff? There was that pitcher in NY who got in some trouble... I think that was for racist comments though so thats a little different.
I'm not asking rhetorically to make a point. I can't really think of any but I'm not a big sports history guy. There have to have been top tier white athletes who talked trash and acted like d******s right?
I'd be especially curious in terms of pre fight press conference behavior from white boxers. Floyd's seem bad but Mayorga was probably worse and I'm sure there were a lot of others who tried to intimidate and disrepect their opponents. Anyone got examples?
Here is what I posted last month... in the "what boxer wouldn't you pee on if he was on fire" thread.
http://www.boxingscene.com/forums/showthread.php?t=139201&page=5&highlight=jeter
These Q-scores may surprise you:
Michael Jordan - 50
Tiger Woods - 40
Brett favre - 35
Peyton manning - 33
Shaquille O'neal - 33
Derek Jeter - 28
Roy jones - 22
Oscar delahoya - 20
Evander holyfield - 19
Mike Tyson - 18 (this was his old 1999 score)
Lennox lewis - 12
Mayweather is even tracked yet...although he will be this year, and will shoot up the charts due to Dancing w Stars
Thanks. I think I vaguely remembered that thread but wasn't sure it was here. Is there only one company that does these? How do they decide who to track?
What TRUTH is there in it?
What was it about the article that suggested the writer feels inferior to Floyd because Floyd is a rich successful black man?
The article criticized Floyds attitude which many people are also irritated by. Nothing to do with he colour of his skin.
The truth in it is that many people in society at large or maybe the mainstream press are quick to jump all over the flaws/ stupid actions of sucessful black athletes for things that they might let slide for white athletes. I don't think anyone denies that there are still racist people out there, and if some non-racist people are honest with themselves they might realize that they have some stereotypes that impact their thinking/ actions in ways they don't always recognize.
I'm not saying thats the case with this author or any posters here in particular. Floyd gives people so much ammo... partly (I think.. and he's basically said as much) because he understands how much he gets under peoples skin and realizes that people paying to see him lose are still paying. So he plays up the image to the extreme... although who's to say when it stops being an image.
Anyway, when people react so strongly you kind of have to wonder why they care, to the point of being emotional, about someone they never met and who has no real impact on their lives. Especially when the reaction is inconsistent. I've never heard anyone going on about what an a-hole pm is even though you guys say he's gotten out of line.
Since we're on the subject, look at the reaction to Michael Vick. I think what he did was disgusting and i have no respect for him, but I feel the same way about people who hunt deer for sport. Why is it that everyone is outraged about dogs being killed for entertainment yet thousands of people go out to kill deer and birds and whatever and thats fine? Would people have reacted the same if it was Peyton Manning involved in dogfighting? I honestly don't think they would have.
Are you kidding me?
What are you shocked that I don't know about Paulie? While I'm not gonna combing nsb everyday i check 3 or 4 news sites and watch whatever i can on espn or the hbos and all I really know about him is he's a pretty good boxer whos kind of slick and finished the fight against cotto with a broken jaw. Then I think he came back to beat ndou or someone for a title? I've actually seen him co-hosting, i think on espn, and he didn't seem that remarkable to me. There was a gatti fight in there somewhere too... and i remember hearing about a fight between their entourages but what i heard made it sound like paulie was trying to be cool with gatti and gatti dogged him out. I may have some of that mixed up but my point is i've not really heard much of anything negative about him. Which is why I'm asking...
Paul Maginalinni????
I was thinking of him too as someone flashy, but I had the idea he's fairly well liked and I don't know of him disrespecting opponents or anything.
I love Mosley and Cotto.. I want Cotto to win though.. I'll take a bet for 10k on Cotto.
This is nuts.. But this is a great fight. Im glad it was made.
I'll take you up on that. I think Cotto's got the edge but I'll be pulling for the Mosley here anyway so why not.
if miranda were such a gracious champ he wouldnt have made the weigh draining excuse before he gave pavlik credit..
read the article, the first thing he does is try to take away from pavliks victory... then he says congratulations..
miranda is a one trick poney, always has been, always will be
I felt like that for a second when I saw him talk about his weight, but I really don't think thats what he was doing. He gave Pavlik his props and didn't take anything away from him. I had been surprised at how weak he looked right from the start of the fight and the weight issue explains that, but he didn't really make it an excuse.
That was a classy statement and he picked up at least one fan here with it. I hope he gets another shot soon.
What it is with these critics is subconciesly they cannot stand to see black men to be rich.There lead to believe all their lives that there better then
black people ,so if they like an ordinary person who works a regular 9-5 and they see a black person doing better then them like being filthy rich,Its like a blow to their ego,They feel really low/horrible cause a black person doing better them makes them feel is lower then dirt.
Its a horrible feeling for them to feel lower then a black person,that is why they get so mad when they see a black person that does`nt act like a robot,and is cocky,disrespects his opponents but at the same time these same critics hold fighters of other races to a different standard when they do the same thing,Example Mayorga and Cotto recently.
It reminds them that a black person who they feel is better then them is filthy rich while that person whose doing all the critisizing has to hit the alarm clock every morning.
Its all racism ya`ll.But not to the extreme.
They want black people to be humble so they are not reminded that some black folks are doing better then them.
You may be taking that a bit far but i do think theres some truth in that. I can't think of too many white athletes who stir up such an emotional response for being overly cocky and disrespectful. I'm not a huge sports history guy so others might have better examples here, but Joe Namath comes to mind as being arrogant and flashy (with the fur coats and whatnot)... I don't know if he was as disrespectful as floyd and all that but he was and is pretty popular... and I've never really heard of him getting hated on.
With that said, its not really a defense of mayweathers character to say racism plays a part in some of the reaction to him. Personally I don't really care but he seems to be an a-hole. I still like watching him fight though... all it really means to me is I wouldn't want to hang out with him, which i don't expect to be an issue.